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[Mystranna Kelteel]

crimsontotem wrote...

Even better, if they survive the suicide mission together after what they have gone through in ME1, there are
nothing that can break thsee three from each other.

Except the Bioware writing staff...

See: Wrex.
That's about the most you can hope for out of Tali and Garrus in ME3.

[Lyrandori]

crimsontotem wrote...

Beside the face that she was not romanceable in the first game... I believe the true heroine is Tali. 

Throughout the two game, Tali is the only female who truly believe Shepard. In the first game, she follows

Shepard putting her pilgrimage aside to stop Saren while other two, thinking that stopping Saren is the "greater

good" while Liara and Ashley follows him because former has to find the answer for her half-century research and
latter because she is assigned to the Normandy.

Even in the second game, Tali gladly join up with Shepard believing that what he is doing is right, even though

he's working for the organization who attacked her fleet. While other former LIs could not follow Shepard because

of their patriotism and vengence.

as a fan who played ME1, I don't think there is enough space between Shepard and Tali for Jack and Miranda to

barge in...

Same thing with Garrus for fem Shep

So please BW in ME3 please let the LI we chose in ME2 appear as a squadmate. There are not enough time for

Shepard to die again for two years or everyone else to "go on their way" because freaking Reapers are here!!!

I agree with most of what you say but having played ME1 recently you need to remember also that Liara is interested on a much more personal level, not just due to her research on the Protheans. She clearly mentions, and often enough, that she is absolutely fascinated about Shepard being the first human/person/being (I'm not sure about what term she's using for that part) being able to not only sustain the flashbacks of the beacon but to even be able to start to understand the meanings of it.

But, yes, I do agree that Tali is absolutely loyal to Shepard, but I'm also saying that Liara is also very loyal and interested in Shepard due to his/her "abilities" and "capacities".

[InvaderErl]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Even better, if they survive the suicide mission together after what they have gone through in ME1, there are
nothing that can break thsee three from each other.

Except the Bioware writing staff...

See: Wrex.
That's about the most you can hope for out of Tali and Garrus in ME3.

Tis a cool time machine you've got.

[Homebound]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Liara > Tali and Garrus.

Tali and Garrus are both potentially dead. Liara is the only one guaranteed to be alive, and she was solely responsible for both 1) stopping Saren by identifying Ilos, and 2) bringing you back from the dead by giving your body to Cerberus.

Liara rulez.

Wait what?  Can you give me a tip on how to do the Liara Mission on illium?  I think I missed that.

[ThatDancingTurian]

rumination888 wrote...

If you don't romance Tali, she has the personality of a cardboard(same with Miranda and Jacob).

I disagree with you completely. My FemShep didn't romance Tali, obviously, but I thought she had a lot of personality. She became an adorable little sister for my FemShep. The most pure-hearted member of my team, if a little naive. She and Garrus saw the best in Shep and followed him/her readily, trusting him/her completely even before their loyalty missions. Frankly, I thought having to win their loyalty in the first place was kind of weird, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth when it comes to extra Tali and Garrus missions.

[InvaderErl]

I think their loyalty missions are more about clearing their heads so they can stay focused.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

InvaderErl wrote...

Tis a cool time machine you've got.

Just a brain.

If you expect Bioware to write out huge roles for 11+ potentially dead squadmates then you got another thing coming. Even Tali and Garrus can't escape the sad fact of being potentially dead. Would be a waste of time for them to give these people roles any larger than Wrex had in ME2.

Just_mike wrote...

Wait what?  Can you give me a tip on how to do the Liara Mission on illium?  I think I missed that.

Not sure what you mean.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:06 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Who said anything about 11+? There are six that are LIs. And given this is the finale, it would be ridiculous to leave your LI out of it. It's not the same as letting them take a breather for a middle installment.

[Vicious]

I romanced Liara in the first game. Second game I went with Tali mostly because she seemed to be the one who would DEFINETLY return next time... At least since she survived lol.

[LavonTB]

If Thane doesn't die from his disease soon he'll my my true heroine! His boss man!

[LavonTB]

If Thane doesn't die from his disease soon he'll my my true heroine! His boss man!

[Lord Atlia]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Even better, if they survive the suicide mission together after what they have gone through in ME1, there are
nothing that can break thsee three from each other.

Except the Bioware writing staff...

See: Wrex.
That's about the most you can hope for out of Tali and Garrus in ME3.

The thing with Wrex is that in ME1 he states that what he really wants to do is unite the krogan people and concentrate of rebuilding the krogans before they fight themselves to extinction.  Tali stays with the Normandy up until the collector attack against the Normandy 1 and prior to recruiting her you find out that the only thing she wants in life is to be part of the Normandy crew (quarians have an attachment to their ship because it is their home).  There is no reason for Tali not to be on the Normandy if she survives.  If she died than there will probably just be 1 less squadmate in your pool for ME3 and a lot of angry quarians.

[Shock35]

In fact, Tali's presence on the suicide mission actually proves that she's generally expendable for the trilogy and doesn't play a vital role in ME3. Liara is still set and ready to go to play yet another vital role.

not really. Tali is a fan favorite (juding on how everyone on the board reacts to her) and while she could/does die according how do the mission (to be frank though, even can die shepard doing it and he's the player character!) but if she does live, she will still have a major role to play in Mass Effect 3. the fans demand it.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Who said anything about 11+? There are six that are LIs. And given this is the finale, it would be ridiculous to leave your LI out of it. It's not the same as letting them take a breather for a middle installment.

6 isn't much better...
But I'm not saying these character WON'T be in ME3. I'm saying odds are that their role will be greatly reduced.

Do you really think they will keep all 6 around as big roles or even squadmembers when they all can be dead? That's a lot of work with no guaranteed payoff. That's a LOT of content that people will be missing out on, so it is more logical to reduce it.

Will people be pissed if their love interest isn't in a big role? Hell yes! Look at the Liara / Kaidan / Ashley role and ask the fans of them if they're happy with ME2. At least we ME1 LI fans have a chance of seeing payoff in ME3.

I think it's very, very unrealistic to expect large roles for potentially dead characters. If they actually do it, cool. But I see no reasoning to suggest that they might other than the fact that some people will not like it.

[Ararara]

crimsontotem wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Liara > Tali and Garrus.

Tali and Garrus are both potentially dead. Liara is the only one guaranteed to be alive, and she was solely responsible for both 1) stopping Saren by identifying Ilos, and 2) bringing you back from the dead by giving your body to Cerberus.

Liara rulez.

Well thing is that right now Liara is too caught up in her own vengence that she refuses to follow you (way she recites her mother's famous line... brr). While Tali followed Shepard putting her pilgrimage aside in ME1 and basically follow him again center of the universe, again putting her personal matter behind.

Except she is helping you indirectly. The shadow broker is doing dealings with the collectors and the reapers. By destroying them, she helps you.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Shock35 wrote...
not really. Tali is a fan favorite (juding on how everyone on the board reacts to her) and while she could/does die according how do the mission (to be frank though, even can die shepard doing it and he's the player character!) but if she does live, she will still have a major role to play in Mass Effect 3. the fans demand it.

Wrex was a fan-favorite too...

I think ME2 and the fact that Tali and Garrus were romanceable is all the appeasement the fans are going to really get.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Becoming an LI is an upgrade, not a bonus. It's not going to revert in the second one.

EDIT: That is, third one.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:17 .

[Ararara]

Ararara wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Liara > Tali and Garrus.

Tali and Garrus are both potentially dead. Liara is the only one guaranteed to be alive, and she was solely responsible for both 1) stopping Saren by identifying Ilos, and 2) bringing you back from the dead by giving your body to Cerberus.

Liara rulez.

Well thing is that right now Liara is too caught up in her own vengence that she refuses to follow you (way she recites her mother's famous line... brr). While Tali followed Shepard putting her pilgrimage aside in ME1 and basically follow him again center of the universe, again putting her personal matter behind.

Except she is helping you indirectly. The shadow broker is doing dealings with the collectors and the reapers. By destroying them, she helps you.

And Tali didn't put her pilgrimage aside, her trip with you was her pilgrimage.

Modifié par Ararara, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:19 .

[Ararara]

Ararara wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Liara > Tali and Garrus.

Tali and Garrus are both potentially dead. Liara is the only one guaranteed to be alive, and she was solely responsible for both 1) stopping Saren by identifying Ilos, and 2) bringing you back from the dead by giving your body to Cerberus.

Liara rulez.

Well thing is that right now Liara is too caught up in her own vengence that she refuses to follow you (way she recites her mother's famous line... brr). While Tali followed Shepard putting her pilgrimage aside in ME1 and basically follow him again center of the universe, again putting her personal matter behind.

Except she is helping you indirectly. The shadow broker is doing dealings with the collectors and the reapers. By destroying them, she helps you.

And Tali didn't put her pilgrimage aside, her trip with you was her pilgrimage.

Modifié par Ararara, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:19 .

[crimsontotem]

Ararara wrote...

Ararara wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Liara > Tali and Garrus.

Tali and Garrus are both potentially dead. Liara is the only one guaranteed to be alive, and she was solely responsible for both 1) stopping Saren by identifying Ilos, and 2) bringing you back from the dead by giving your body to Cerberus.

Liara rulez.

Well thing is that right now Liara is too caught up in her own vengence that she refuses to follow you (way she recites her mother's famous line... brr). While Tali followed Shepard putting her pilgrimage aside in ME1 and basically follow him again center of the universe, again putting her personal matter behind.

Except she is helping you indirectly. The shadow broker is doing dealings with the collectors and the reapers. By destroying them, she helps you.

And Tali didn't put her pilgrimage aside, her trip with you was her pilgrimage. Also what about Garrus, he follows you like right away.

double post my frind, also in ME1, she specifically mentions that stopping Saren is more important than her pilgrimage

[Schneidend]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Wrex was a fan-favorite too...

I think ME2 and the fact that Tali and Garrus were romanceable is all the appeasement the fans are going to really get.

I'm going to have to disagree. ME3's not a transitional game like ME2. It's the end of the trilogy. My guess is they're going to "go for broke" and put everybody you've had survive in your playthroughs in it. I.E. Wrex/Shep/Grunt squads will be possible.

[InvaderErl]

She sort of did postpone her pilgrimage. She thought it would be wrong to pursue her pilgrimage while Saren was preparing a Reaper invasion. She even tells Shep that the Quarians won't really care about her work with them if she doesn't find something to bring back.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:21 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Liara > Tali and Garrus.

Tali and Garrus are both potentially dead. Liara is the only one guaranteed to be alive, and she was solely responsible for both 1) stopping Saren by identifying Ilos, and 2) bringing you back from the dead by giving your body to Cerberus.

Liara rulez.

Why do I get the feeling that you feel this way because Liara is bi.

[GnusmasTHX]

Ararara wrote...

Liara is fighting for you and was the one that saved your body from the collectors. She sent you to be rebuilt.

This. 

Also Tali joins you because you saved her life... It's not that commendable.

Also; the old LI's had to be written so they can't join you. 

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:22 .

[rumination888]

Shock35 wrote...

In fact, Tali's presence on the suicide mission actually proves that she's generally expendable for the trilogy and doesn't play a vital role in ME3. Liara is still set and ready to go to play yet another vital role.

not really. Tali is a fan favorite (juding on how everyone on the board reacts to her) and while she could/does die according how do the mission (to be frank though, even can die shepard doing it and he's the player character!) but if she does live, she will still have a major role to play in Mass Effect 3. the fans demand it.

From what I remember of the old ME1 boards, before ME2 was announced, Wrex and Liara were fan favorites. Tali only became a hot topic after BIoware announced she would be a part of your squad in ME2.