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[Ararara]

crimsontotem wrote...

Ararara wrote...

Ararara wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Liara > Tali and Garrus.

Tali and Garrus are both potentially dead. Liara is the only one guaranteed to be alive, and she was solely responsible for both 1) stopping Saren by identifying Ilos, and 2) bringing you back from the dead by giving your body to Cerberus.

Liara rulez.

Well thing is that right now Liara is too caught up in her own vengence that she refuses to follow you (way she recites her mother's famous line... brr). While Tali followed Shepard putting her pilgrimage aside in ME1 and basically follow him again center of the universe, again putting her personal matter behind.

Except she is helping you indirectly. The shadow broker is doing dealings with the collectors and the reapers. By destroying them, she helps you.

And Tali didn't put her pilgrimage aside, her trip with you was her pilgrimage. Also what about Garrus, he follows you like right away.

double post my frind, also in ME1, she specifically mentions that stopping Saren is more important than her pilgrimage

She also says that by learning your tech in the engine room would help her pilgrimage. And after her trip with you, she did infact complete her pilgrimage.

[InvaderErl]

No she doesn't join you for any such reason. She joins you because she thinks the Reapers need to be stopped.

[crimsontotem]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Shock35 wrote...
not really. Tali is a fan favorite (juding on how everyone on the board reacts to her) and while she could/does die according how do the mission (to be frank though, even can die shepard doing it and he's the player character!) but if she does live, she will still have a major role to play in Mass Effect 3. the fans demand it.

Wrex was a fan-favorite too...

I think ME2 and the fact that Tali and Garrus were romanceable is all the appeasement the fans are going to really get.

That could work out if Shepard die 'again' and disappear for another two years. However, this time, there aren't enough time to part ways and go on each other's way because Reapers are front of your doorstep.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

crimsontotem wrote...

That could work out if Shepard die 'again' and disappear for another two years. However, this time, there aren't enough time to part ways and go on each other's way because Reapers are front of your doorstep.

That's a pretty baseless assumption. You have no idea when ME3 will take place or under what circumstances.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Schneidend wrote...

I'm going to have to disagree. ME3's not a transitional game like ME2. It's the end of the trilogy. My guess is they're going to "go for broke" and put everybody you've had survive in your playthroughs in it. I.E. Wrex/Shep/Grunt squads will be possible.

LOL, not a chance.
Granted, I'm assuming here, but... not a chance.

[Ararara]

InvaderErl wrote...

No she doesn't join you for any such reason. She joins you because she thinks the Reapers need to be stopped.

That is later on, but at the start she only joins you because of her pilgrimage required her to find something to help the flotilla and she wanted to get away from the citadel.

[Alixen]

Can't say i'm not biased, so take this with a grain of salt.

Liara has her own comic series set between the games.

She is impossible to NOT recruit in the first game, can't die in the second, and seems to be in the middle of something that could very well be a major plot point in ME3. She's the only character in the initial love interests that can be romanced by both GuyShep and FemShep. She was the only alien crew member with PERSONAL stakes in your mission being that her mother was involved. She was the one to clear up Shep's head and make sense of things. She's the only reason your even around in ME2.

Being honest and TRYING to look at it from the outside it's obvious that either she is the fan favorite or at the very least the one the Devs put the most time into.

Honestly, I really like Tali too, but sher has selfish stakes in this; she wants to ger kissy face with you. Even if Liara is fully aware of the loud moans coming from Shepard's bedroom where he and Ashley are, er, 'celebrating' the destruction of the Reaper... she will STILL do everything she does for him. That's loyalty.

That and you can tell Liara your not interested. You almost have to beat Liara off with a stick in the first game.

Modifié par Alixen, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:26 .

[InvaderErl]

She says that at the start when Shep says why she wants to help if she's on her pilgrimage during the convo with Udina/Anderson.

[DrowNoble]

MagicianCamille wrote...

Yeah, Tali is awesome. If she's not a squad member in the third game I'm gonna cut.

Got my voted for this too.  Though when (not if) she's in ME3 I wanna see her face!  Come on Bioware quit teasing me like this!

[MountainPuncher]

The reason I like Tali is because she is able to trust Femshepard on the same level as Male Shepard, just without the clear sexual interest. You can bond with her on a very deep level no matter your gender, and I think that's something very important. Contrast with Jack, who completely blows off Femshepard after her trust mission because she thinks you have romantic intentions and isn't a lesbian. There's no way to become a really close friend with her, or change her on the same level that a male Shepard can.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

That's a pretty baseless assumption. You have no idea when ME3 will take place or under what circumstances.

rofl... Sorry, I find it funny that you'd call someone else out for baseless assumptions considering your arrogant posturing about what 'is' and 'isn't' going to be in ME3.

[Ararara]

InvaderErl wrote...

She says that at the start when Shep says why she wants to help if she's on her pilgrimage during the convo with Udina/Anderson.

She said she wanted to help because the problems she caused on the citadel and wanting to get away. But she was STILL on a pilgrimage while with you. The pilgrimage is the entire time she is away from the flotilla.

[Schneidend]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

LOL, not a chance.
Granted, I'm assuming here, but... not a chance.

We won't know until it happens. But, I'm fairly confident the devs are going to give you a huge pool of characters to choose from, but only a limited time frame to recruit them in, or something similar.

[screwoffreg]

Garrus and Tali are personally my favorites. Maybe Liara may be more important story wise, but frankly the fact that they stand with you in the face of death and WILL stand with you when the thousands of Reapers descend on the galaxy is powerful. They will have been the only two characters to have been throughout the entire series as a companions...

[Ararara]

I assume ME3 is going to be about how they find out how to create gundams and have a battle with gundams against reapers. Of course the gundams lose cause the reapers have tentacles.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
rofl... Sorry, I find it funny that you'd call someone else out for baseless assumptions considering your arrogant posturing about what 'is' and 'isn't' going to be in ME3.

Did you miss the fact that I'm speaking about what is "likely" given the facts?

[Sereaph502]

Garrus and Tali are also my favorites.

They've been with you through ME1 and 2, bioware can't just pull them out of 3 unless they have a really damn good reason.

also: lol at the Liara fans trying to shove their thought of garrus and tali only being in ME2 because fans liked them so much in everyone's face. Jealous much?

Modifié par Sereaph502, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:34 .

[InvaderErl]

Ararara wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

She says that at the start when Shep says why she wants to help if she's on her pilgrimage during the convo with Udina/Anderson.

She said she wanted to help because the problems she caused on the citadel and wanting to get away. But she was STILL on a pilgrimage while with you. The pilgrimage is the entire time she is away from the flotilla.

Are you sure? I've played that scene a number of times and I know for a fact that she says "What does it say about me if I do nothing?" line when you ask her about her Pilgrimage. I've never heard the "I need a ship to leave" line but perhaps this is a convo choice I haven't picked? Any outside confirmation one way or the other.

[Ararara]

screwoffreg wrote...

Garrus and Tali are personally my favorites. Maybe Liara may be more important story wise, but frankly the fact that they stand with you in the face of death and WILL stand with you when the thousands of Reapers descend on the galaxy is powerful. They will have been the only two characters to have been throughout the entire series as a companions...

Liara is fighting the reapers too. She was given info by the illusive man that the shadow broker is working for the reapers and collectors. Since the shadow broker tried to get your body and deliver it to the collectors.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Schneidend wrote...
We won't know until it happens. But, I'm fairly confident the devs are going to give you a huge pool of characters to choose from, but only a limited time frame to recruit them in, or something similar.

Realistically I don't see that happening unless they drastically reduce the importance of squadmates and likewise drastically reduce their dialogues. You can't just have a gigantic pool of squadmates all with important missions and dialogues and insight into the main quest, especially if most of these people can be dead.

You can hope all you want, but, given the facts, I honestly wouldn't advise getting your hopes up. At all.

[Shady314]

rumination888 wrote...
And my face reaction to Tali joining in ME1 was the same face reaction Anderson had(play ME1 again if you didn't notice it). She was completely out of context for joining an N7 Alliance marine. Same with Garrus. Atleast Wrex was Citadel Space's top bounty hunter, but even then that was pretty weak justification.

The C-Sec (read galactic police officer) in charge of investigating your charges against Sovereign joins you to stop Sovereign when the authorities cut his investigation short.... How is that wildly out of place? It's really not much different from Shep.

[InvaderErl]

Garrus made sense. He WANTED to take Saren down and C-SEC wasn't going to do it so he eagerly signed up with the only person that would.

And I'm guessing Saren's connection with the Geth fueled Tali's initial interest in stopping him.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:40 .

[Ararara]

InvaderErl wrote...

Ararara wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

She says that at the start when Shep says why she wants to help if she's on her pilgrimage during the convo with Udina/Anderson.

She said she wanted to help because the problems she caused on the citadel and wanting to get away. But she was STILL on a pilgrimage while with you. The pilgrimage is the entire time she is away from the flotilla.

Are you sure? I've played that scene a number of times and I know for a fact that she says "What does it say about me if I do nothing?" line when you ask her about her Pilgrimage. I've never heard the "I need a ship to leave" line but perhaps this is a convo choice I haven't picked? Any outside confirmation one way or the other.

When you talk to her she says that the pilgrimage is also about learning about the outside world. She never says she needs a ship to leave, but what else could she do? The shadow broker wants her dead, fist remaining crew wants her dead and the citadel hates Quarians. What could she do, but join you?

[InvaderErl]

Not join you and book passage on a ship not heading into a dangerous mission?

Modifié par InvaderErl, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:39 .

[MountainPuncher]

InvaderErl wrote...

Not join you and book passage on a ship not heading into a dangerous mission?

But that's just not in her character.  She despises the Geth and would give anything to bring the fight to them in a major way.