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[Mystranna Kelteel]

I don't see why ME3 can't be like DAO, where the squad gets filled as you gather troops. Don't forget that ME3 is still a standalone game. I highly, highly doubt that they're not going to make new squadmates.

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

When one presents a case, especially one based on speculation, they generally do not use absolutes such as 'you are not correct' or 'that isn't going to happen'. Just for future reference.

It would be pointless to add Ash and Kaidan as some sort of epic LI in ME3 if they have the same dialogue. They were place cards in ME2. To have an actual role, they'd have to expand that, have them talk about experiences exclusive to them. If they're going to go through the trouble for that, why wouldn't they do it for the others? Especially when they spent an entire game focused solely on befriending them, -far- more so than they did with the shallow ME1 characters? What would be the point of that investment, and how could they possibly get away with an entirely new crew showing up at the last minute in the final installment?

Is it possible that ME2 characters won't be back? Yes. Is it likely?...

I never said that the ME2 chars aren't likely to come back. I said they aren't likely to have roles much larger than Wrex in ME2.  Again, Bioware will have to cater to the people who never played ME1 and ME2 to some extent. And in doing that I don't see them throwing 9 large and unique love interest roles at us considering many people would never experience them or know what's going on.

And I wouldn't call the ME1 love itnerests shallow. Especially Liara. Liara's recruitment mission wasn't any shorter than some of the ME2 ones. And killing Benezia is sort of like her loyalty quest. I actually think some of the characters in ME2 were shallower than Liara.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:32 .

[screwoffreg]

They said ME 2 decisions could have devastating effects on ME 3...so all roads, good and bad, the successes and failures will become manifest in the final battle. I think ME 3 is going to be a masterpiece of gaming! Only two years mates, thats hardly anything. That's what a good business school will put you through...so not that long!

[ShadowAldrius]

Just a brain.

If you expect Bioware to write out huge roles for 11+ potentially dead squadmates then you got another thing coming. Even Tali and Garrus can't escape the sad fact of being potentially dead. Would be a waste of time for them to give these people roles any larger than Wrex had in ME2.

And Morinth? Or Zaeed? They have plenty of squadmates that only half of the people who play the game will ever see. What matters is the DEFAULT. Who survived to the default version of Mass Effect 3.

They're not going to write in all 11 ME2 squadmates into the game, but some of them will probably make it. Depends on how they handle the ME3 squad.

Anyway, I'd say Liara is the main female of the first and Miranda of the second. Tali is cool but not the main female.

Well, outside of femmeshep, of course.

Modifié par ShadowAldrius, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:39 .

[seyera]

Well, Tali as a romance in ME2 will put her at odds against your LI from ME1. I find it interesting that she would get involved with Shepard when he clearly still thinks of his old flame (picture on desk, Liara semi-kiss, etc). That kind of says something about her character, but I guess Shepard is part of the decision ME3 will be interesting if they address all the romances from the two games.

[InvaderErl]

Ash was clearly the "main" female - she was on the box art and in the promotional videos that first came out. The main female doesn't really matter much imo in Mass Effect in terms of importance though.

[crimsontotem]

seyera wrote...

Well, Tali as a romance in ME2 will put her at odds against your LI from ME1. I find it interesting that she would get involved with Shepard when he clearly still thinks of his old flame (picture on desk, Liara semi-kiss, etc). That kind of says something about her character, but I guess Shepard is part of the decision ME3 will be interesting if they address all the romances from the two games.

after you are begining to romance with Tali, or any other females, he throw that picture away

[Generic_Bad_Guy01]

True heroine is Yeoman Kelly, obviously.

[edgeofeternity]

Liara is like an anti heroine for me. She was such a good girl and wanted to make difference and now all she cares about is revenge and reaching her goals. I was a little sad. I think Miranda changed the most in ME2. In the beginning she was a lich and all she had going was a hot bod, at the end she is quitting Cerberus for the right choice and still has a hot bod. I liked her side story too, showed why she was who she was.

[conglomerator]

As much as I hate to admit it, what Mystranna Kelteel has been saying here makes a lot of sense.



Liara is a likable character that will definitely pose a very important role in ME3, but I also belive that considering the number of Tali fans (myself included) on these boards, BioWare would have to be mad to NOT give her some major role for ME3

[KainrycKarr]

conglomerator wrote...

As much as I hate to admit it, what Mystranna Kelteel has been saying here makes a lot of sense.

Liara is a likable character that will definitely pose a very important role in ME3, but I also belive that considering the number of Tali fans (myself included) on these boards, BioWare would have to be mad to NOT give her some major role for ME3

I agree. Tali will be back as a squaddie with the ME1 peeps or I will be walking away from the game personally. The character has been too far developed to be thrown away.

It's not like Bioware can't just go back on their word and write in a few of the ME2 LI's along WITH the ME1 ones.

My view is that some of the returnee squadmates will be optional. But they wanted Liara and Ashley/Kaidan to be GUARANTEED into EVERYONE'S playthrough, much liek Jacob/Miranda in ME2, and Ashley/Kaidan in ME1.

 I see no reason that Bioware wouldn't, or couldn't, continue with Tali and Garrus along with Liara and ashley/Kaidan.

[KainrycKarr]

Son of a #####.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:26 .

[KainrycKarr]

seyera wrote...

Well, Tali as a romance in ME2 will put her at odds against your LI from ME1. I find it interesting that she would get involved with Shepard when he clearly still thinks of his old flame (picture on desk, Liara semi-kiss, etc). That kind of says something about her character, but I guess Shepard is part of the decision ME3 will be interesting if they address all the romances from the two games.

...Or you just didn't have a romance, like me. I held zero interest for the LI's in ME1.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Liara > Tali and Garrus.

Tali and Garrus are both potentially dead. Liara is the only one guaranteed to be alive, and she was solely responsible for both 1) stopping Saren by identifying Ilos, and 2) bringing you back from the dead by giving your body to Cerberus.

Liara rulez.

I think Liara's days are numbered.  If you don't help her (you get a lot of renegade points for doing so btw, even for the paragon choices) then she's under the Shadow Broker's thumb.  She's being fed misinformation, but once she stumbles upon something she's dead meat.

If you do the missions to help her, she's elevated to a threat that demands immediate action.  Shepard won't be around to save her in time.

Despite Liara's darker story arc in ME2, she's just as naive as ever.  Fortunately for Liara, Samara is thinking of going to Omega rather than back to Ilium. 

As for Tali, Garrus and the other LIs in ME2, at this point the LIs are going to be a special role within ME3 at some point so I don't expect any of them to be removed.

The one thing that hasn't happened to Shepard yet is breaking down and letting despair set in.  The whole game and the LIs have been leading up to exactly that.  Someone to pick you back up when you need it the most in the darkest of hours.

Modifié par ShadowWolf_Kell, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:44 .

[grumpymooselion]

Killian113 wrote...

What is interesting about Tali is that if I remember correctly she is basically in love with shepard even without you pursuing it. Kelly mentions it to Shepard when you talk to her about Tali.

This is true of even the Female Shepard. The Female Shepard can't pursue the relationship but Kelly still tells you that AND Tali confesses the suit-linking bit, that if she were ever to link suits with anyone . . .   it would be you (she even mentions that you're the only person she's ever trusted enough for that ).

This is said to the Female Shepard, even though the female Shepard can't romance here.

Obviously Tali loved Shepard, and trusts Shepard, regardless of gender, but only the Male Shepard can pursue this in a romantic manner - while I get the feeling the FemShepard takes it more in a sisterly/best-friend manner.


Even thinking that, Tali's confession to Shepard as a female is still very, very suggestive. I wonder if they thought about it and just cut it, or if they plan on letting Tali/FemShepard happen in ME3.

[jlb524]

Janan Pacha wrote...

Obviously Tali loved Shepard, and trusts Shepard, regardless of gender, but only the Male Shepard can pursue this in a romantic manner - while I get the feeling the FemShepard takes it more in a sisterly/best-friend manner.


Even thinking that, Tali's confession to Shepard as a female is still very, very suggestive. I wonder if they thought about it and just cut it, or if they plan on letting Tali/FemShepard happen in ME3.

Nah, FemShep/Tali isn't going to happen.   FemShep turned straight.  Even though she's got all of these awesome women hitting on her, she's only into dudes now.

@OP

Liara is more loyal to Shepard than Tali  *coughs* Read the Redemption comic*coughs*, and Shepard wouldn't even be alive if it wasn't for her.  She's more of a heroine than Tali. 

But the true heroine would be Commander Shepard anyways.

Modifié par jlb524, 31 janvier 2010 - 03:54 .

[Inriri]

ShadowAldrius wrote...

Just a brain.

If you expect Bioware to write out huge roles for 11+ potentially dead squadmates then you got another thing coming. Even Tali and Garrus can't escape the sad fact of being potentially dead. Would be a waste of time for them to give these people roles any larger than Wrex had in ME2.

And Morinth? Or Zaeed? They have plenty of squadmates that only half of the people who play the game will ever see. What matters is the DEFAULT. Who survived to the default version of Mass Effect 3.

They're not going to write in all 11 ME2 squadmates into the game, but some of them will probably make it. Depends on how they handle the ME3 squad.

Anyway, I'd say Liara is the main female of the first and Miranda of the second. Tali is cool but not the main female.

Well, outside of femmeshep, of course.

I'd say all the squadmates from ME2 will carry over (if they're alive, that is) and Bioware will fill in the blanks by having each faction give you representative when you get them to join your cause. That way it rewards players who worked to keep them alive, and allows romance subplots to continue if a player chooses to do so all the while giving players who lost people more squad options