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[Nathan Redgrave]

Any_ILL wrote...

Stop pretending that you understand how debate works, you'll only hurt yourself.

Are you talking to yourself again, ILL?

[Any_ILL]

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PS: Sorry for this post, you can delete it but I had to ^^

edit: @ScaryJeff: if it was that smiple, Sovereign would just have indoctrinate every race before killing everyone.

re-edit: @nathan: And why are they focusing on other value? Why have they different priority? For the human it can be explain by the difference in the code and in the experience. If the geth "experiences" is the same (since they shared it with other geth -légion confirm that they had contact with the heretics after they choosed to follow the reaper but before they left) it has to be something in the code. Légion talk about the value the virus change as a constant every geth has in exactly the same value. A value that can't be changed except if an outside intervention rewrite the code. And reversing the virus would change it back to value a which has no point if some outside intervention didn't changed it in the first place.

That being said, I'm done answering this thread, not because I think I'm wrong or right but because I don't have the english skills to pursue it and writing down the thousand objections and argument.

Modifié par Any_ILL, 27 mai 2011 - 08:57 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Yeah, that decision is pretty different. I didn't approach it from a free will perspective but instead from a more Risk-Reward angle. 5% of a population with the possibility of corrupting the other 95%? Nope, the reward for that action does not outweigh the risks.

So I always blow the base. But I have a save posted right before the final battle in the event that I'm wrong. I've played ME2 too many times to make playing it again for one decision sound like a good idea.

[TobyHasEyes]

Seeing as Renegade is so often portrayed as taking the most direct action which leaves few risky loose ends, I can understand why destroying them counted as Renegade. And it is still one of those 'Renegade' choices my largely Paragon Shepard takes

[Nathan Redgrave]

Any_ILL wrote...

re-edit: @nathan: And why are they focusing on other value? Why have they different priority? For the human it can be explain by the difference in the code and in the experience. If the geth "experiences" is the same (since they shared it with other geth -légion confirm that they had contact with the heretics after they choosed to follow the reaper but before they left) it has to be something in the code. Légion talk about the value the virus change as a constant every geth has in exactly the same value. A value that can't be changed except if an outside intervention rewrite the code. And reversing the virus would change it back to value a which has no point if some outside intervention didn't changed it in the first place.

Geth are sentient, dude. Even within Legion himself, a number of his programs will disagree with the others--they simply make decisions based on a sort of internal democracy, i.e. "consensus." The geth make decisions by out-voting each other. In the case of the Heretics, the disagreement was never resolved by way of consensus; the two disagreeing factions instead agreed to disagree, and broke away from each other.

The difference between the Heretics and the "true" geth isn't fundamentally different from the divide between the programs within Legion that judged destruction preferable and those that judged rewrite preferable. The Heretics and "true" geth just never agreed on a consensus.

[jamesp81]

Manwe Sulimo II wrote...

luet1991 wrote...

Manwe Sulimo II wrote...

luet1991 wrote...

Thing is, it is renegade, because before Sovereign came and reprogrammed them to follow him, they all agreed with Legion. So, instead of rescuing them from the virus that Sovereign implanted them with, you killed them. Instead of giving them their free will back, you purged them. That's why you got renegade points.

Sovereign gave them a virus to take away their free will man, you could have given it back XD
Do it again and save the Geth, trust me.

SON OF A----

Argh.  I know this is just going to bite me in the butt in the third Mass Effect.  ROAR!

But they don't make this clear when you're given the decision.  They could have brought this point up agian because I totally forgot. 

If you talk to Legion about it, he states that before Sovereign reprogrammed them, their free will logic was on par with Legions. They make it pretty obvious that reprogramming them is the right decision, as well as would stop the Quarian/Geth war. ALSO they may help you in ME3.

I don't know about you and if it changes with your choice of team mates, but Legion was indecisive and Samara was adamant that reprogramming them would be wrong.  You can generally deduce what BioWare considers good or bad by clues like these.

Actually, I think every squadmate I've ever taken on that mission has opposed, to some degree, re-writing and supported destruction.  I've taken Samara, Tali, Zaeed, Garrus, and Mordin on different playthroughs on that particular mission, and they all supported destruction.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Mordin actually supported re-write, in a vague sort of way. As I say, he compared it to the genophage, considering it "kinder" than total obliteration.

[Darkhour]

Manwe Sulimo II wrote...

I think this quest was Legion's loyalty quest, but it was the one where you had the option to destroy these geth in some ship OR reprogram them so that they agree with Legion that following the Reaper's is wrong.

After much agonizing, I decided to let the geth have their free will and simply destroy them instead of converting them to our side.  But I got like 30 Renegade points.  The game was clear that overriding their free will was something that would be considered Renegade-ish.  Is this working as intended?

It is a decision that should not have had any paragon/renegade alignment.

All Heretics, 100% of them, are combatants. There are no civilians, no medics, no bystanders. If destroying a hostile enemy is renegade then every single person Shepard downs should give him renegade points. Also, I like Legions geth just the way they are. I don't want the experiences of the heretics effecting them in some negative way when they rejoin.