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[Unschuld]

shinobi602 wrote...

You can tell by Zaeed's personality he's no leader. He even tells you stories how he led people and everybody else died while only he got out alive. He's a bounty hunter, a merc for hire, that's all, doing it for the money, he even says that. He doesn't give a crap about people's lives, you can see that from his loyalty mission. I never even considered him for leadership.

Well, since I didn't know the game mechanics during my playthrough, I guess I can see why Legion died. Yes I listened to Zaeed when he told me he about prior bloodbaths and whatnot. You still don't get to the top of a merc corp or anything by getting your guys killed every time. I'd still have him rather than a paper pusher. In hindsight, I would have chosen Jacob. Still doesn't explain why Legion would have been killed closing the door, since Zaeed had no direct influence on him at that point... 
I am bit miffed that Miranda wasn't a good enough biotic, after all that talk about her engineered to be the perfect woman, not just in looks but biotic powers. In my game I didn't have much choice though. Didn't get Jack's loyalty so there was no way I'd put her in charge of anything. In hindsight I would have switched Miranda with Samara, though I suppose there is still a specific formula that would have gotten someone killed.

No need for you guys to get exasperated about my end result. Its what I chose to do and I expected at least some of my squad to die. Some people looked up who to put where in the final mission before they did it. I did not, wanted to make things interesting. It should certainly make for a more enjoyable sequel, rather than a perfect happy ending.

[glacier1701]

Well all I can say is this:

 Vent was done by Legion.

 First Leader was Garrus.
 Second time was Miranda.

 Escort was done by Jacob.

 And I used Jack for the Shield.

 My own squad ALWAYS had Zaeed in it. I had Miranda with me (to avoid problems with Jack) except for the shield walk when I switched out Miranda and brought in Samara.  Everyone was loyal. As to hidden levels of loyalty: did not take sides with Jack/Miranda when that came up, and compromised on the Legion/Tali issue. I was male and stayed true to my ME1 LI though all possible choices in ME2 had been brought to the point of making sure I knew they had an interest in me. Oh and always gave a rousing speech when I had the chance.

 Ship was fully upgraded and everyone who had personal upgrades had them. As for other upgrades basically lacked heavy pistol/smg upgrades with a couple still pending for those but otherwise fully done.

 End result everyone lived. My only issue was that I only got back half my crew because of the time in between the crew being abducted and me doing missions before going in (those missions did not get me extra upgrades so not doing them would not have mattered). Was so used to the way BioWare did things in the past and this time was caught out. 

 I must admit that when time seemed to matter I hurried as fast as I could. I did have to reload once and that was the shield part when the cover I was behind would not allow me to fire on a hostile who could fire on me unless I broke out of that cover. Couldnt do much before I died. On the reload just hid behind a different piece of cover and had no problem. My only concern was that escort mission as it was hard to gauge who would be best for that. As far as I see from what I've seen on this topic this is the "get out of jail free" card if you have doubts about someone surviving or just plain want to make sure one specific person survives. From what we've been told apparently so long as you have the right 4 people loyal you can still get the everyone survives ending. Theorectically you can do it with only 3 loyal but no-one has done that yet.

Modifié par glacier1701, 31 janvier 2010 - 05:35 .

[Sharn01]

shinobi602 wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

She died because you sent the best guy you had available for a fire fight to escort the crew back to the ship rather then follow you for the big fire fight,  If you want every one to survive that last battle your escort needs to be either Tali or Mordin, you remove the weak fire fight guys from having any chance of being killed and leave enough big tough guys behind to protect the other, or to make sure they stay alive put them in your party for the final battle.

Not necessarily, I put Zaeed as the escort, and brought Tali and Miranda with me to the final fight. They both lived. I'm betting the speed with which you do things on the last mission affects everything.

Quote was not directed at you, but yes, I do think speed is a factor, but  from what I have seen you have plenty of time if you have the right person for the job.

[shinobi602]

TXTwolf11 wrote...

Hmm I thought Garrus made the most sense as he had previously led a "crime-fighting" squad on Omega. 

You can use both Garrus and Miranda. Either one works.

[Unschuld]

shinobi602 wrote...

Not necessarily, I put Zaeed as the escort, and brought Tali and Miranda with me to the final fight. They both lived. I'm betting the speed with which you do things on the last mission affects everything.

Wait a sec... you put Zaeed as the crew escort, the guy who gets "everyone killed cause he's a merc that doesn't care"... and you think its wrong to make him a squad leader? Lolwut?

Not necessarily, I put Zaeed as the escort, and brought Tali and Miranda with me to the final fight. They both lived. I'm betting the speed with which you do things on the last mission affects everything.

sorry, massive edits

Modifié par Unschuld, 31 janvier 2010 - 05:41 .

[shinobi602]

Unschuld wrote...

Wait a sec... you put Zaeed as the crew escort, the guy who gets "everyone killed cause he's a merc that doesn't care"... and you think its wrong to make him a squad leader? Lolwut?

Yea, because we just killed hundreds of Collectors to get to that point, so I'm guessing there was barely any resistance on the way back to the ship, we just cleared the entire way for them lol.

[rumination888]

Unschuld wrote...
Still doesn't explain why Legion would have been killed closing the door, since Zaeed had no direct influence on him at that point...

If you paid attention, you'd have noticed how your fire team leader is telling their squad to provide cover fire for the vent guy.

[FFLB]

Just finished mine. Thane and Zaeed died in my playthrough. I picked Thane for the vents, since he's good in vents, and I picked Zaeed as the 2nd Fire Squad Leader, mainly because I was afraid of Garrus getting hit by an untimely bullet. I did have him escort the survivors back, because I figured that he'd do well with infiltration and stealth skills. Took Legion and Tali into the final leg of the mission, mainly because I thought that was still more left to it. Became worried when the platforms started flying. Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, Garrus led the first Fire Team.

Since it seems to be quite simple for some people to keep their team from dying, does anyone have tips for getting an ending where Shepard dies? One of these playthroughs I'm going to just take a screw-up Shepard in and see how things go.

Modifié par FFLB, 31 janvier 2010 - 05:49 .

[deimosmasque]

Unschuld wrote...

Yes I listened to Zaeed when he told me he about prior bloodbaths and whatnot. You still don't get to the top of a merc corp or anything by getting your guys killed every time.

But in actuality he's been working as a solitary Bounty Hunter most of those 20 years, not as a squad leader, don't feel bad, I did the same thing as you the first time through.

[shinobi602]

ipwndk wrote...

 Tali died.

Everything upgraded, all sidequests done.

I assigned her to the very first job, which was simply to open the door. She got shot while closing it.

I don't understand why that choice was bad? Miranda told me I should assign the best technician I had, and Tali is my best technician.

Bloody annoying. Wish I could sacrifice a few of the other instead of loosing a good friend from the first game.

Who did you pick for your first team leader? Did you get everyone's loyalty? Also, the speed at which you get the vents opens has an effect on whether she dies or not.

[SkywardDescent]

Does this thread's title make anyone else laugh? >_>

[Ebassist]

I actually had got all the upgrades, done all the crew loyalty (apart from that Merc, I wasn't gonna let everyone die because hes a madman and apparently I wasen't paragon enough to charm him. Only paragon check I failed) and I managed to lose FIVE people. Garrus, Legion, Merc, Samara and Miranda.



I think this was because I tried to "out-think" the game. I.e when you send someone through the ducts they say its a "Suicide" mission so I chose Legion because I assumed the game was essentially asking you "Who do you want to die." When he died this seemed to confirm it. The same for the biotic barrier, I assumed it was asking who I wanted to die. So I was very surprised when my Garrus was killed by the swarm.

[aeetos21]

Well, I keep dying while playing vanguard on insanity. Though I don't think that's what this thread is about.

[rumination888]

Unschuld wrote...

Wait a sec... you put Zaeed as the crew escort, the guy who gets "everyone killed cause he's a merc that doesn't care"... and you think its wrong to make him a squad leader? Lolwut?

Being an escort means its your job to keep the people you're escorting safe. Zaeed may have a reputation for getting his team killed, but he also has a reputation for getting the job done. The fire team's job is to make it from point A to point B. I think it says a lot about them if Garrus, Miranda, and Jacob are willing to go the extra mile to keep everyone alive.

Infact, I heard a 100% loyal Thane works as the first fire team leader as well. Makes perfect sense if you remember how he protected people during his recruit mission. He'll die if he leads the distraction team, though(makes sense, too, since he seems to have a deathwish).

Modifié par rumination888, 31 janvier 2010 - 06:09 .

[Alex475]

aeetos21 wrote...

Strategy Spoiler*

It's simple, keep everybody alive by upgrading the ship! If you're unsure if you don't have anything just go talk to Joker. Ask about other things and you'll see the question about the ship. Hit that and he'll talk about that status of the upgrades and what needs to be done.

Off the top of my head it goes...

1. Couplings (Omega)
2. Food for the mess (Citadel)
3. Medlab (Chakwas gives it to you after you get her her brandy - again Omega)
4. Probe pods (Thane)
5. Armor (Jacob)
6. Guns (Garrus)
7. Kinetic barriers (Tali - after you do her sidequest)
8. Planet tool (Miranda)
9. Fuel conservation... I forget

That's about it I believe, again check with Joker to be safe. Otherwise try to keep people loyal as much as possible and if you're unsure then Tali can do the ducts, Miranda works well in leading both teams, Samara can do the biotic field thing, and then take Miranda (Overload and Warp) and Mordin (Incinerate) to the final boss and you'll be set. No one will die.

Will that keep them from die as soon as you hit the relay4 thing. The tattoo chick was the first one as something inside the ship blew up and took her out, the green (geiko) guy was the second and then the geth dude all before you even land the ship. The other ones was probably my bad leadership and bias favouring some characters I wanted to keep close.

[aeetos21]

Turns out it comes back to making the right leadership decisions and upgrading your squad as well as the ship. At this point... just do everything you can to prepare and then pick the people listed above and you'll be set.



The other options are Garrus for team leader, Legion for the ventilation duct, and that's all I'm certain of right now...

[Mikka-chan]

Man, I didn't catch this thread while working on the other. Some good new information in here... but I don't want to post the same thing again. Just note that the Armor, Guns, and shielding/barriers is necessary (the coupling might help?) for all to live. Bad decisions for one choice can lead to the death of a team member made for a different choice, even if that different choice team member was 'correct': all your choices have to be good to get everyone to survive. And loyalty makes a big difference (most operations are successful only if a team member is loyal), but a loyal squad member can still die if you've made a bad decision elsewhere.



For the record, my first team I did: Tali vents, Garrus Strike Leader, Samara Biotic, Thane Escort, Miranda Distraction... and I think Miranda and Jacob for my first squad pick, Moridon and... Legion?, I think?... for my second, and ended with Miranda and Jacob for the final. Everything went smoothly, but I lost all the crew but the Doctor... and considering how much I enjoyed the two engineers, I considered that a failure.

[shinobi602]

Alex475 wrote...

Will that keep them from die as soon as you hit the relay4 thing. The tattoo chick was the first one as something inside the ship blew up and took her out, the green (geiko) guy was the second and then the geth dude all before you even land the ship. The other ones was probably my bad leadership and bias favouring some characters I wanted to keep close.

Tattoo chick? Green geiko guy? Geth dude? Are you even looking at the screen when you're playing? Do you play the game while muted? wtf lol!?

[Heidenkind]

Does anyone realy know why you loose a random party member in the scene that plays after you destroy the 4 tubes holding up the reaper?

EDIT:
Even if a party member goes down in this scene, they will survive if you are fast enough... only if you take your time in the final fight they die. Next time I should wait for the ending before reloading...

Modifié par Heidenkind, 31 janvier 2010 - 09:06 .

[Thalorin1919]

It was pretty easy. I got everythinng upgraded, and you just have to select the right people for the job.



Tali for the vents, Garrus lead team A.

Samara for the Barrier, Miranda lead team B. Legion escorted Dr. Chakwas back.



Nobody died, and the mercenary guy didnt even die and I didnt have his loyalty. You guys that have people dying. There dying because your putting guys like Thane who is an assasin as a team leader, or Jacob as the barrier when his biotic powers arent nearly as strong as Samara.



I think getting everyone out of a supposedly suicidal mission alive is way more badass then throwing there lives away.

[kappukiino]

shinobi602 wrote...

Seriously, just finished my second playthrough now and still had everyone survive, crew and all. I just am not understanding how people are getting killed, it's really simple....

Talk to all squadmates, make sure everything's upgraded, then make sure to choose the proper people for their jobs, really easy. I don't mean to sound cocky, but damn mang, it's really just common sense who to choose....

I figured Grunt should escort Dr. back to normandy, why?

Cos hes a walking tank, if theres anyone on the way he'll destroy them.

Legion i sent to the valves, he managed.. jack i ordered to keep the swarms off, worked well.. Garrus was in charge of the fire team, obvious choice..

Heres the problem, after the rest of the crew held the door, zaeed went and died, i figured if they have to STAY STILL AND SHOOT, zaeed would be the appropiate leader considering hes a badass dude..right?
Well, he died.

Also mordin died and didnt even get a scene.

[Sharn01]

People keep asking so I am quoting myself from earlier rather then typing it out again.

Sharn01 wrote...

Ok, one more time then.

The list goes like this for every one surviving.

1. All squad members loyal, and just doing their mission and getting a spiffy new outfit does not necessarily mean they are loyal, read the results of the mission, you may have done it wrong.
2. All ship,squad, and personal upgrades. You can unlock new upgrades for the ship and for individual characters by talking to them while on the Normandy, you can do one of what they offer while in conversation and the rest will appear at the normal upgrade station after that.
3. Give them a rousing speech to boost their morale.
4. Pick the person best suited for each job.
Legion/Tali = Vent
Garrus/Miranda= Fire Team leader, and the same one can do it both times if you like there is no reason to switch unless you just want to.
Samara/Jack = Biotic Shield
Escort = Anyone, Mordin or another non combat based character is a good choice, leaves you with tougher allies to hold the enemy off in the final battle and makes sure they live.
5. Time, yes, the longer you spend fighting bad guys, the more likley your team mates will die no matter how good they are at the assignment. If you are a total bad ass who flys through the missions you may even get away with inferior party members accomplishing a task, but the better they are the more time you will have to fight through the hoard's before they die.
6. Not a squad member thing, but if you want your crew to survive you have to do absolutely nothing but go immediately rescue them once they are gone, do anything else at all and people start to die.

[muse108]

I had no problems, but I was really disappointed when I found there were only 3 or 4 roles to fill yet I had 11 squadies,



But yes, I thought that getting everyone out alive was going to be really really hard but I had no problem at all, a bit of a let down