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[speedy111280]

My main fem!Shep is totally loyal to Liara because that woman turned her life upside down and inside out to get me back. Made her fall even more in love with Liara.



My Shep that romanced Ash totally dumped her for Jack. Jack may be psycho but she's also so vulnerable. And the conclusion to that romance was so touching.

[screwoffreg]

I think the Illusive Man said it best why we can't trust Liara...she works for the Shadow Broker. She is in way over her head and despite how powerful she thinks she has become, it seems the Broker is still manipulating her actions. It's why the Illusive Man didn't even consider her for the team and why she is likely, probably not intentionally, even working against Shepherd's interests.

[Badpie]

Sticking with Ash. I want to see where this goes later.

[krystalevenstar]

I'm staying with Kaiden for my main. On another playthrough I might go with Garrus though.

[Annora]

I was not loyal on my main Shepard. Kaidan's words cut deep, and if he could lose his trust in me that easily, then there's really no healthy relationship there. Once the trust is gone, there's nothing left. Garrus was there for me throughout both games, unfailingly loyal, and ready to go into hell itself at my side. He was a true friend, never suspicious of my involvement with Cerberus... and that friendship blossomed into love, based on mutual respect. That's a lasting relationship as far as I'm concerned. It hurt to let Kaidan go, but... it's done.



Thane's romance was kind of bittersweet. He's a great guy, and it's very touching... but he's dying. He has less than a year by his own admission, and that's just unfair. But then, you can't really help who you love. Of course, I romanced him on a play where I didn't romance anyone, so that kind of helps. That's gonna suck for that Shepard, though. He'll probably be dead by the next game. I like to think that she and he spend his last days in the Saharan Desert on Earth, totally and completely wrapped up in one another.



I have a Shepard who will stay loyal to Kaidan, and my Renegade Shepard will stick with Liara. I've no interest in Jacob.

[RVonE]

Manshepard went for Tali all the way (he wanted to in the first game but couldn't). Femshep is loyal, but only because she can't romance Tali (which totally bums her out).

[goatman42]

No I wasn't ok!! STOP JUDGING ME!!!!



lol I plan on making a character where I am loyal though

[HoboJ]

I dropped Liara on her head for Tali. No regrets either. Perhaps if Liara wasn't such a cold **** on Illium I'd of stayed loyal.

[Naughty Bear]

Nope. I slept with Miranda. Then again my Shep will sleep with anything that moves.

[Nightvision91]

Well now I decided to play through the game again this time, and stay loyal with Ash just to see the picture scene near the end. Going to stick with my Cannon Shepard who left her for Miranda for ME3.

[SirRengeti]

I definitely need more Shepards. One for Jack, one for Tali and one to stay loyal to Liara.

This will take some time.

[jlb524]

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

For all you know, TIM planted that idea in Liara's head simply to get Shepard's body.  The impression I got with the Collectors throughout the game is that they were trying to kill Shepard, not capture him/her.

Bottom line... Liara was played and deep down she knows it.

Did you read the first issue of the Redemption comic?  It's quite clear that the Shadow Broker is tyring to get Shepard's body to give to the Collectors.  The Collectors aren't satisfied that Shepard is just dead.  They want that body.

[RVonE]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Then again my Shep will sleep with anything that moves.

Volus? That's hot.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

Shavon wrote...

No, Liara does not work for the Shadow Broker. As much as TIM is on top of things, the fact that he says this convinces me it's another convincing lie to cut Shepard off of his former squad mates. He's a master manipulator. Liara is working against the Shadow Broker to take him down and ultimately kill him becuase of what he does to Feron presumably in the comics, and also because of what the SB planned to do with Shepard's body.

Each of my Sheps are sticking with their first romances.

I really don't see how you can delude yourself into believing that.

All of Liara's information is coming directly FROM the Shadow-Broker.

Obviously she's not intentionally working for him, but she IS working for him nonetheless.

TIM says a lot of things in the game, but one thing that he doesn't do is lie to Shepard.  He'll ommit info, but he never actually lies to you.  Master manipulator or not, he's smart enough to realize that if he jeopardizes what little trust Shepard is willing to afford him, the whole mission is doomed.

That's not even taking into account Jacob or Miranda's reaction, which further hurts his cause.  No, he's not going to take that chance.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

jlb524 wrote...

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

For all you know, TIM planted that idea in Liara's head simply to get Shepard's body.  The impression I got with the Collectors throughout the game is that they were trying to kill Shepard, not capture him/her.

Bottom line... Liara was played and deep down she knows it.

Did you read the first issue of the Redemption comic?  It's quite clear that the Shadow Broker is tyring to get Shepard's body to give to the Collectors.  The Collectors aren't satisfied that Shepard is just dead.  They want that body.

No, I can't say that i have.  On the otherhand, I'd have to see it for myself rather than take your word for it.

[Annora]

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

I really don't see how you can delude yourself into believing that.

All of Liara's information is coming directly FROM the Shadow-Broker.

Obviously she's not intentionally working for him, but she IS working for him nonetheless.

TIM says a lot of things in the game, but one thing that he doesn't do is lie to Shepard.  He'll ommit info, but he never actually lies to you.  Master manipulator or not, he's smart enough to realize that if he jeopardizes what little trust Shepard is willing to afford him, the whole mission is doomed.

That's not even taking into account Jacob or Miranda's reaction, which further hurts his cause.  No, he's not going to take that chance.

The Illusive Man is a lying, manipulative bastard who only wishes to cause a rift between you and your 'old attachments.'  He lied about Horizon, he lied about the Collector ship, and he lies about his only thought being the advancement of humanity. It's not. His only thought is his own advancement and eventual domination of the galaxy. Liara isn't working with the Shadow Broker, she struck a deal with the devil to get Shepard's body away from the Shadow Broker.

[MMonkeyking]

Nope not on my first playthrough but im planning to on my second playthrough

[Roaven]

My main is a loner, and remained so. So technically he was loyal.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

Anastassia wrote...

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

I really don't see how you can delude yourself into believing that.

All of Liara's information is coming directly FROM the Shadow-Broker.

Obviously she's not intentionally working for him, but she IS working for him nonetheless.

TIM says a lot of things in the game, but one thing that he doesn't do is lie to Shepard.  He'll ommit info, but he never actually lies to you.  Master manipulator or not, he's smart enough to realize that if he jeopardizes what little trust Shepard is willing to afford him, the whole mission is doomed.

That's not even taking into account Jacob or Miranda's reaction, which further hurts his cause.  No, he's not going to take that chance.

The Illusive Man is a lying, manipulative bastard who only wishes to cause a rift between you and your 'old attachments.'  He lied about Horizon, he lied about the Collector ship, and he lies about his only thought being the advancement of humanity. It's not. His only thought is his own advancement and eventual domination of the galaxy. Liara isn't working with the Shadow Broker, she struck a deal with the devil to get Shepard's body away from the Shadow Broker.

There's a big difference between simply not telling someone everything, and actually lying about it.  He witholds information from you on many occassions and fills you in after the fact.  He never actually lies to you.

And as far as him trying to break your ties to your old group...  doesn't wash.  He sends you to get Tali, Garrus, to deal with Wrex, etc.

The ones he keeps you out of the loop with are the ones who are blatently not fit for the mission at hand.  While his methods aren't right, his reasoning is sound.

TIM may be many things, but they pulled him off well.  He's smart, he's slimy as all heck, but he's not dumb enough to jeopardize his goal by pissing Shepard off.  Differences or not, he DOES respect Shepard.

[jlb524]

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

For all you know, TIM planted that idea in Liara's head simply to get Shepard's body.  The impression I got with the Collectors throughout the game is that they were trying to kill Shepard, not capture him/her.

Bottom line... Liara was played and deep down she knows it.

Did you read the first issue of the Redemption comic?  It's quite clear that the Shadow Broker is tyring to get Shepard's body to give to the Collectors.  The Collectors aren't satisfied that Shepard is just dead.  They want that body.

No, I can't say that i have.  On the otherhand, I'd have to see it for myself rather than take your word for it.

Trust me...it's in the last panel.  I'm looking at the comic right now.  It show's a Collector and it is speaking with the Shadow Broker (who is off panel) about obtaining Shepard's body.  The Collector is angry with the Shadow Broker b/c Shepard's body hasn't been found yet.

[Inriri]

I stayed single during the first game. Neither of the chicks interested me. Gonna be completely loyal to Tali though

[Prolefeed]

My first Shepard totally strayed for Kaidan for Garrus. I don't really think of it as "straying" or "disloyalty," though. I mean, the man accused Shepard of selling her soul to Satan (paraphrasing, obviously), and then sent a letter that sums up to "Okay, I won't hate you forever. Talk if over if you're still alive after this death-mission?" That is definitely not the loving re-acceptance my Shepard was hoping for. (And ****, the man practically has a PhD in Being Understanding. Was it crazy for her to expect that?)
She considered a purely physical rebound with Jacob, but Garrus is . . . GARRUS. Kaidan said he'd moved on, and now, so has my Shepard.
I'm going to do another playthrough where my Shepard doesn't romance anyone and pines for Kaidan the whole time. I REALLY hope he gets more face-time in the next game. The conversation you have with him is at most five minutes. The lack of time to reengage with Kaidan and Liara is probably my least favorite feature in ME2 (even below the mineral scanning!!!). You spend just enough time with Liara to realize she's gone bat**** crazy, and then she hustles you out the door. And Kaidan just does a drive-by shooting of femShep's heart and he's out of there. The scene actually made me upset.
ARE YOU LISTENING, DEVS?? BRING KAIDAN BACK, PLEASE!!!!!

Modifié par Prolefeed, 01 février 2010 - 12:33 .

[Seanylegit]

I was going to cheat on Liara with Jack for my first play through for the achievement, but somehow I ended up leaving it too late and I couldn't romance her enough before the flight to the Collectors. So I messed up there. So I guess my first play through was loyal. My second I'm gonna cheat, although I consider my first play through my "main" character, which I'll import and play first for ME3. Liara is