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[Evolution13]

Can you do anything to please this woman? Every time I offer to help someone out she comes up with something snarky to say, I understand her feelings to the point of being charitable for kindness's sake, but I just talked to the blacksmith in Redcliffe, the whole militia is depending on him, and Morrigan's prattling on about saving kittens from trees next.

She hasn't learned a thing from her Mother apparently

[NewYears1978]

Yeah..I can't stand her....I like to listen to her and Alistair (and other companions) talking though..but I found myself taking Leliana instead..and she's the one I was romancing before I started over today.   Sten is the same way in some respects.  Alistair and Leliana are the ones who like good acts..Sten and Morigan not so much...but at least there is some diversity..

[Kinowek]

She seems to react a little too negatively to some plot decisions, that's for sure.  Negative response for attempting to talk to Wynne? Give me a break.

However she is WAY too useful to be ignored.   Just save up gifts, magical tomes and apparently gold necklaces, to buy her approval.   That's a little bit too close to reality for me, to be honest. 


Sten, on the other hand, -10 every time you talk to him. Have fun sitting in the camp, buddy.  Maybe my evil rogue playthrough will make use of you.

Kinowek
 

[JTwizzy88]

I like Sten, he's just blunt and appreciates bluntness. Don't try to be suave with him

[Twitchmonkey]

Yeah, I was just kind of annoyed by how her character when you initially meet her essentially makes her appear selfish and snarky, but when it comes to making decisions, her only focus seems to be contrary just for the sake of being contrary. If you have to save the king's kitten from a tree to be given control of his lands and armies, she would have you kick the kitten and burn down the castle.

[Maria Caliban]

After the first conversation, Sten becomes much easier to talk with. He is very focused and pragmatic.



Sten: So far the Grey Wardens have not impressed me.

PC: I am not here to impress you.

+11 to approval.



Though I apparently get -1 approval for having bewbes.



Morrigan is interesting. I'm playing a good PC, and it's hard, but not impossible, to get her to like you while taking her everywhere.

[Wissenschaft]

Twitchmonkey wrote...
but when it comes to making decisions, her only focus seems to be contrary just for the sake of being contrary.

Women.....

[Twitchmonkey]

Maria Caliban wrote...

After the first conversation, Sten becomes much easier to talk with. He is very focused and pragmatic.

Sten: So far the Grey Wardens have not impressed me.
PC: I am not here to impress you.
+11 to approval.

Kind of reminds me of Ammon Jerro, the only way you could really get him to like you was to constantly put him in his place.

[Wissenschaft]

Sten says it himself. He follows orders and fights, nothing else matters. So treat him like a general would treat a common lowly solider and he'll be happy.

[Seagloom]

Morrigan has been a pain for me too, and I'm playing a mostly evil character. She seems to object to logically sound decisions way too often as Twitchmonkey pointed out. I pretty much have to go the puppy kicking "I'm evil!" route to earn her approval. So far, I've managed to keep her hovering over 60% by giving her a necklace and talking about Flemeth, but it just keeps going up and down while I'm questing.



Sten has been pretty predictable usually. I'm actually surprised I haven't lost any approval with him. His meter is the highest right now. My worst has to be Leliana. No shock there, considering she balks at selfish actions and is religious in her way.

[Maria Caliban]

Approval is a mini-game for me. If I just play 'myself' the majority of NPCs stay near the middle. As usual, there is no benifit for being grey.

[Khaoticsoul]

I'm playing a mostly good character and Morrigan is my highest approval. She dislikes gameplay decisions but advances alot from conversation. Like every woman you just have to know how to talk to her.

[Seagloom]

I'm not playing myself either. I'm trying to play a character. She can be manipulative so there are times I've chosen options she wouldn't normally take to appease an NPC. It depends on how far placating them goes against her personal views. As a real person might, she may make small sacrifices and comprimise to get someone to like her more. She has to think as a leader too, being shoved into the role by fate.

That said, I probably will do the mini-game thing on subsequent playthroughs. For now I'm trying to avoid gaming the system, which is also why I'm without a healer. My only regret is that I like Leliana more than I expected, and at this rate she's probably going to die. =P

Modifié par Seagloom, 05 novembre 2009 - 10:10 .

[Wissenschaft]

Shes lonely and wants to chit-chit but takes her insecurities out on others and hides her pain by acting tough when she really softie at heart (well, a selfish softie). Why does this seem familiar?

[Evolution13]

We need more companions like Dog, a scritch on the head, a Mubari Snack, and let him pee on Landmark trees and he's happy!

Modifié par Evolution13, 05 novembre 2009 - 10:08 .

[Twitchmonkey]

Khaoticsoul wrote...

I'm playing a mostly good character and Morrigan is my highest approval. She dislikes gameplay decisions but advances alot from conversation. Like every woman you just have to know how to talk to her.

That's been my experience as well. As her conversation topics have started to dry up, my approval with her has been reducing, but she's pretty easy to manipulate in conversation.

[Dracowyr]

**Partial-Spoiler**

There will be an opportunity later in the game where you can (if you play your cards right) drastically raise your standing with her. Of course this involves matricide...

Modifié par Dracowyr, 05 novembre 2009 - 10:11 .

[Maria Caliban]

Seagloom wrote...

Morrigan has been a pain for me too, and I'm playing a mostly evil character. She seems to object to logically sound decisions way too often as Twitchmonkey pointed out. I pretty much have to go the puppy kicking "I'm evil!" route to earn her approval. So far, I've managed to keep her hovering over 60% by giving her a necklace and talking about Flemeth, but it just keeps going up and down while I'm questing.

It’s interesting, but my lightsider PC is at ‘friendly’ with her. She feels very capricious to me. For instance, before the battle of Redcliffe, I gave the knights holy symbols and she approved. The same battle, I told the smith I’d find his daughter and she disapproved.

Once the toolset gets here, I can’t wait to crack open the game and see what it is that she likes/dislikes.

Edit: Your PC only seems to be at level 2?

Seagloom wrote...

I'm not playing myself either. I'm trying to play a character. She can be manipulative so there are times I've chosen options she wouldn't normally take to appease an NPC. It depends on how far placating them goes against her personal views. As a real person might, she may make small sacrifices and comprimise to get someone to like her more. She has to think as a leader too, being shoved into the role by fate.

That said, I probably will do the mini-game thing on subsequent playthroughs. For now I'm trying to avoid gaming the system, which is also why I'm without a healer. My only regret is that I like Leliana more than I expected, and at this rate she's probably going to die. =P

Yes, but it would be nice if I could relax and play myself, and at least one of the NPCs would constantly agree with me.

I was pleasantly surprised at Leliana's reaction to me freeing the desire demon in Kenloch.

I can’t help but game the system. I want my followers to like me. I thought there were times were you could discuss what you’ve done in the game with them, and explain how it lined up with their ideals, but I haven’t come across a one.

[Wissenschaft]

It’s interesting, but my lightsider PC is at ‘friendly’ with her. She feels very capricious to me. For instance, before the battle of Redcliffe, I gave the knights holy symbols and she approved. The same battle, I told the smith I’d find his daughter and she disapproved.

Helping the knights prepares for the coming battle directly which is what she likes. Helping to find the daughter seems like charity which she has a hard time seeing as paying off for the effort involved. Its how she thinks.

[On_Slaught]

The reason she approved at giving the symbols to the knights is because you were basically lieing to them (since the symbols were not magical). Lelina(sp) gets mad tho if you lie to them.

[Wissenschaft]

On_Slaught wrote...

The reason she approved at giving the symbols to the knights is because you were basically lieing to them (since the symbols were not magical). Lelina(sp) gets mad tho if you lie to them.

eh, well, it boost moral.......(shhhh, don't tell them) any way, she might just hate knights for you know, her being treated as an evil witch by a certain religion.

[Seagloom]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I can’t help but game the system. I want my followers to like me. I thought there were times were you could discuss what you’ve done in the game with them, and explain how it lined up with their ideals, but I haven’t come across a one.

Yeah, I wish there were times like that too. I thought there would be from past commentary on the game, but there hasn't. Kinda disappointing considering the gravity of some decisions.

In any case, I don't mind if not everyone likes me as long as their hate is portrayed in an interesting way. If I played myself, I'd probably get along most with Leliana. Not sure about most of the others though. But I gave up playing myself in these games several years ago. That there are often no dialogue options representing my thoughts is a major factor.

Yes, I'm aware my PC is listed as level 2. Very annoyingly, in fact. :/ For some reason the updating for her is borked. At first she didn't even appear after almost a day, so I remade her and started over. She uploaded that time, but has been stuck at level 2. You'll notice she's also missing the proper number of talents for her level.

Oddly enough however, my achievements upload right away...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It’s interesting, but my lightsider PC is at ‘friendly’ with her. She feels very capricious to me. For instance, before the battle of Redcliffe, I gave the knights holy symbols and she approved. The same battle, I told the smith I’d find his daughter and she disapproved.

Once the toolset gets here, I can’t wait to crack open the game and see what it is that she likes/dislikes.

Edit: Yeah, I have to agree with the idea Morrigan approves of tricking the knights. See, that was what I meant in my first post. She seems to approve childish and petty evil. Not necessarily was is logically sound judgement. At least that's been my experience so far. I'm actually in Redcliffe right now, so this is fresh in my mind.

Reading a breakdown of her likes/dislikes would be interesting, though.

Modifié par Seagloom, 05 novembre 2009 - 10:38 .

[Twitchmonkey]

Wissenschaft wrote...

Helping the knights prepares for the coming battle directly which is what she likes. Helping to find the daughter seems like charity which she has a hard time seeing as paying off for the effort involved. Its how she thinks.

It's certainly the charity element that bothers her, but promising to look for his daughter doesn't necessarily require you do it, you can even ask him "what if I'm lying" and he's not going to repair the arms and armor without you promising that, so to not promise this is stupid and contrary to being able to have the best chance of success.

[Wissenschaft]

Morrigan is not the leader for a reason. She is not thinking about the good of the party and what gives you the best chance for victory. Shes selfish, remember.