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[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

It is nothing personal but I don't feel like that I get any value for what I am buying... RTO was just walk through camp, find some pieces of armor, no story line nothing at all.

I can't believe it took them this long to make this DLC I seriously cannot.

OK pay 50 dollars for the full game and get between 75 to 100 hours + content sort of... pay 5 dollars and get like 30 minutes of content, is it me or does the ration not seem to count towards anything?

I personally think that the DLCs at 5 dollars should at least have 3 to 5 hours of content per DLC and a rich story line build into it.

Got a huge plus though to add to it, the scenario of Ostegar still remain as one of the best in game as it is and you actually get to feel sort of small at the castle, but for the content they provided it with I have to grant this DLC 2 out of 10 stars, as a negative factor no content for the cash paid, dull characters.. no actual bosses except for one and complete lack of story in it.

I have to say that bioware is losing it for sure as it is, teh DLCs seem to me more like customer scams rather than actual content and as for once for the time it took to develop this I cannot blame it on lack of of dialog, I call it lack of developer competency as well as EA is robbing us off.

[Abriael_CG]

If you think it has no story at all, you probably brought the wrong characters. Do you expect people that never SAW the battle of ostagar to have anything to say about it?

Who ever said that a DLC costing 5 dollars should have "3 to 5 hours" of content? Is there a gamers' uninon somewhere that established that?
You'll end up spending more than 5 dollars on an half an hour meal at mcdonalds, so what gives?

It's funny that you call it a "scam", I might remind you that no one ever promised you anything more than what you received, and for sure no one holds you at a gunpoint to buy it.

To put it down simply, get over yourself. RtO Gives you plenty for it's price. It's not perfect (there's one, and only one cutscene really missing when the characters kill something and find two thingies someone really should have commented upon), but it's still very good and enjoiyable to play.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 31 janvier 2010 - 01:23 .

[Querne]

http://social.biowar.../9/index/864773

[Aeto Alessos]

Complete lack of story? the best part about RTO is the story! 2/10 stars is extremely harsh, i would give it an 8/10. Also as stated before, "customer scams" aren't the words you're looking for to describe Bioware DLC's. RTO is the best DLC so far, imo.

[nubbers666]

i havent tired this content yet but even i have to say paying 5 bucks wut did u expect a whole new expan lol come on now u pay for wut u get plain and simple

[voidwarrior]

What annoyed me even more than anything else was learning that Loghain was correct in his accessment of the battle of Ostagar - well according to King Cailan's dying body guard in any event. In that even if Loghain had joined the battle the Darkspawn would still have won.

Modifié par voidwarrior, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:14 .

[Carodej]

voidwarrior wrote...

What annoyed me even more than anything else was learning that Loghain was correct in his accessment of the battle of Ostagar - well according to King Cailan's dying body guard in any event. In that even if Loghain had joined the battle the Darkspawn would still have won.

1) This is the no spoilers section.
2) Can't see the forest for the trees.  I would say more, but see 1 above.

[BlackVader]

GHL_Soul_Reaver wrote...

OK pay 50 dollars for the full game and get between 75 to 100 hours + content sort of.

Bought any action games lately? Those cost just as much and many of them hardly get 10 hours of content - 1 hour per 5 dollars - which is just as much as RtO. If you take such numbers as "industry standard", DAO could have been sold for about 500 dollars - and I'm not even counting the replay-value here.

Really, "X hours of gameplay should not cost more than Y dollars" is no base for any discussion. It's ok to say that you think there wasn't enough content - meaning story wise - in RtO, but the time it takes to complete the DLC is no valid point.

[Hoylander]

Just played through RTO for the first time - it was a little bit below my expectations I'd say. At least a real boss at the end would have been nice. 5/10 from me.

[Mlai00]

Are you saying that the new Darkspawn enemies that I've encountered in RtO are not new? I wouldn't know, because I'm still playing my first playthrough of the game.
AFAIC, some of the Darkspawn leaders are new, the Shrieks are new, and the sync kill of the Ogre is new. So... they're not new?
I liked RtO, but I would agree that in general, all the DAO DLCs are about 20% too expensive for what they deliver.

Edit: Endless respawning of the weak grunts would have made RtO much better.  I felt too relaxed while exploring the Ostagar ruins slowly.  I should have been hounded by Darkspawn reinforcements left and right, with no time to breathe.

Modifié par Mlai00, 31 janvier 2010 - 03:03 .

[Gr8Horned1]

For $5, it wasn't very exciting. The weapons and armor you get are OK for a low level team (Level 8-12) but for a team at Level 20 or above, it's useless. I suggest going there right after you go to Soldiers peak and then find Starfang. This way, the armor & weapons might be useful until you get to a higher level.

Modifié par Gr8Horned1, 31 janvier 2010 - 03:10 .

[DMTyrisis]

Personally, I have enjoyed all three DLCs for DAO. $10 to see a movie for two hours and it is over, or $5 to get a game license that I can play over and over with different team makeups that change the tactics of success every time. If you don't like the DLCs, keep buying them and complaining. It at least helps to keep the cash rolling in to EAs coffers so folks like me who enjoy them can keep playing.

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

well to answer some of the above questions... what about when all of us has bought 10 DLCs of the same size of ostegar then we have paid 50 dollars.. and gotten like 5 hours at best for content.



This is not about defending the game as it is, the core game is just excelent in which most people would agree to that it is.



It is about the aftermath, there is no reason to defend content made for it due to it is not really offering us anything... the logic saying it is awesome eludes me in some kind of weird way.. anyhow as an open minded individual towards all this and as for my interest in the game then I am saying that bioware is doing a real poor job with the DLCs and that the DLCs is more about getting new armor sets and the likes that there already is in the game.



This is not a hatemail or whatever towards Bioware either, people around that really like the game should rather back me up instead of defending the DLCs, saying that a 5 dollars DLC should not have massive gameplay is just so wrong as it is because it should... hell we paid 50 bucks for the core game and that had ALOT of content in it including money was spendt on developing the core... the game in general and so on and so forth.. the DEV team already got all tools at hand to develop the stuff and by that saying they are doing a poor job doing it currently.

[Tooplex]

What i was told was a fun 1-2 hour long DLC killing the **** out of darkspawn and getting some nice loot and a bit of a side story.

What did i get? A 1-2 hour fun DLC killing the **** out of darkspawn and getting nice loot and a story about what happened to the king.

I was not disapointed.

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Just saying that people are either blind or stupid in my point of view to defend it as it is, we should rather defend our wallets and want more.



As for the making a movie thing, then it is more harsh to make a movie than a DLC for a game like this as it is hence it should contain much more content and keep people at it for longer.

[ankuu]

for me personally i think it was worth it. i would give it a 8/10.



i had a shock when i saw cailan...a BIG shock...i think he could have been lying on the ground or something, the way he was hanging there was shameful for a king...



a think i kind of disliked was how alistair said "oh. they just let him rot!" well, he could have been a little more...affected. i felt like he was too cold towards his half-brother.

[BlackVader]

Gr8Horned1 wrote...

For $5, it wasn't very exciting. The weapons and armor you get are OK for a low level team (Level 8-12) but for a team at Level 20 or above, it's useless. I suggest going there right after you go to Soldiers peak and then find Starfang. This way, the armor & weapons might be useful until you get to a higher level.

Sorry, but what are you talking about? Cailans armor set is the best tanking set in the game and his sword+shield make AW even MORE overpowered than they have been until now.

This is not a hatemail or whatever towards Bioware either, people around
that really like the game should rather back me up instead of defending
the DLCs, saying that a 5 dollars DLC should not have massive gameplay
is just so wrong as it is because it should... hell we paid 50 bucks for
the core game and that had ALOT of content in it including money was
spendt on developing the core... the game in general and so on and so
forth.. the DEV team already got all tools at hand to develop the stuff
and by that saying they are doing a poor job doing it currently.

Just to clarify: I DO agree wih your point - to a certain extend. We should indeed expect the DLC to be worth its money. However, "worth" doesn't translate to the time you need to complete it.

Personally, I was in fact a bit disappointed. I was expecting some more darkspawn to be slain and above all some more coments from my party, even though it was probably not the best party to bring along (shale, sten and wynne). Stan had only one short comment and I don't think Shale had ANYTHING to add, not even a line about smashing squishy darkspawn-things.

Next time, I'd prefer less items and more story and banter. I still enjoyed RtO overall and don't think I wasted the 3,50 Euro.

ankuu wrote...

i had a shock when i saw cailan...a BIG
shock...i think he could have been lying on the ground or something, the
way he was hanging there was shameful for a king...

Trust me, it doesn't look less shameful when you have a nude-mod installed :innocent:

[Viglin]

CAN WE STOP THE SPOILERS PLEASE...AND YES, IM YELLING TO MAKE A POINT.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Tooplex wrote...

What i was told was a fun 1-2 hour long DLC killing the **** out of darkspawn and getting some nice loot and a bit of a side story.

What did i get? A 1-2 hour fun DLC killing the **** out of darkspawn and getting nice loot and a story about what happened to the king.

I was not disapointed.

This covers 99% of the people who bought RtO.  The shame is that last 1% have Mutant Baby Lungs and nothing else to do but bawl on the internet.  It's was promised to be an hour long DLC and it was.  It was worth the 400 points. 

[Mlai00]

Cailen's armor the *best* tanking set in the game?? What are you smoking?
I'm level 11 when I completed this DLC, and I was honestly debating whether or not to use his armor set for my PC. In the end, I wore it because I myself don't have a matching set of anything atm. As soon as I get my STR up, it's getting replaced with the Fade Armor set.

Personally I enjoyed RtO.  I just wished there were *more* Darkspawn, as someone else mentioned.  We should have had endless weak waves respawning and hounding the player's party every few minutes.  And the companions keep saying "We have to get out of here before nightfall!"  I just felt too relaxed throughout the entire DLC.

Hopefully, I'll feel tenser about it next time when I tackle it as low level.  I was lvl.11 when I played this DLC this time.

Modifié par Mlai00, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:28 .

[Hoylander]

Ok made a second playthrough now on my rogue, I still stand by my 5/10. For the weapon you get in the very end, it is actually better than Starfang imo if you get the tier 7 version.



My first run was on my mage with a party level of 24 - got tier 7 weaps. Cailan's set was 6 and 7 mixed though.



On my second run with my rouge, party level was 10 and I got everything as tier 5. I hope there will be a way of "upgrading" it later as with the Soldier's Peak set.

[perry2]

Yes RTO is not great bang for the buck, but it is twice what Soldier's Peak was. I have decided I am not a big fan of DLC in general. It encourages the developers to create a second tier of gamers. Five bucks isn't much but in proportion to the cost of the entire game it is still a racket. You don't get Starfang without Soldiers Peak? Why don't they just sell you experience points? I bet if you broke the whole game up and sold it in DLC size bites it would cost about $300.



Still for those who want to try, maybe for some variety on the additional playthroughs, I recommend RTO over Soldiers Peak.

[Eurypterid]

Moving to spoilers section.