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[chem light]

cnumartyr wrote...

chem light wrote...

I think you're right about not playing with characters.   I never used Mordin groundside except for his mission.  Even though I sent him back with the crew he died.  Repeatedly.  

Wierd, I did the same thing.  I never used him other than his loyalty mission but he didn't die.  I had Thane run people back to the ship and never used him outside of his loyalty mission as well and he didn't die.

Yeah I don't get it.  He had his little omni tool and everything.  *shrugs*

[Anglerfish610]

chem light wrote...

I think you're right about not playing with characters.   I never used Mordin groundside except for his mission.  Even though I sent him back with the crew he died.  Repeatedly.  

I used Mordin quite a few times, I mixed it up between Miranda, Samara, Garrus, Legion and Mordin as my primaries. Jack, Tali and Thane were used on occasion (side quests mostly). Never used Jacob or Grunt other than when it was needed, nor did I use Zaeed (I actually greatly disliked this character, so never used him)

Mordin was the only one to die, and it was in the final cutscene on the way back to the ship. For reference, I had all the upgrades, and I did all the loyalty quests (though my crew died cause I decided to do some side quests. Didn't know my crew was actually waiting on me! Boy, what a surprise...)

[Litos456]

Ken Ueno wrote...
-If the Biotic Specialist is not a powerful biotic, one of your current squad members will be swarmed by seekers and die. 

Some people also report having trouble keeping Mordin or Legion alive at the end where they must hold the line until Shepard kills the last boss.  I think this is related to the member-specific upgrades you can perform (Mordin's omni-tool upgrade, Legion's Widow rifle, etc), but unconfirmed.

Oh so that's why my pepople kept getting carried away. I used Jack as my biotic specialist. That said, you should correct your biotic section as I don't think Jack is strong enough. Which doesn't really make sense actually, but I don't know.
Also, as for your last paragraph, I had the Jack member upgrade but she died at the end every time for no reason, where she's randomly on the floor.

[Inriri]

Litos456 wrote...

Ken Ueno wrote...
-If the Biotic Specialist is not a powerful biotic, one of your current squad members will be swarmed by seekers and die. 

Some people also report having trouble keeping Mordin or Legion alive at the end where they must hold the line until Shepard kills the last boss.  I think this is related to the member-specific upgrades you can perform (Mordin's omni-tool upgrade, Legion's Widow rifle, etc), but unconfirmed.

Oh so that's why my pepople kept getting carried away. I used Jack as my biotic specialist. That said, you should correct your biotic section as I don't think Jack is strong enough. Which doesn't really make sense actually, but I don't know.
Also, as for your last paragraph, I had the Jack member upgrade but she died at the end every time for no reason, where she's randomly on the floor.

Jack escorted us through the swarm with no problems. I honestly think there's always a chance someone will die and picking the right people for the right tasks + loyalty minimizes it

[Litos456]

I had Garrus and Samara carried away there. Also, the person who you select as your second squadmate on the squad selection screen for that part will be the one to get carried away, if. So if you click on Tali first, then click on Garrus, he'll be carried away.

When I instead made Samara the specialist and put Jack second, everything was alright. I was oddly surprised. She died later on the floor anyway, though.

[Branclem]

Litos456 wrote...

Ken Ueno wrote...
-If the Biotic Specialist is not a powerful biotic, one of your current squad members will be swarmed by seekers and die. 

Some people also report having trouble keeping Mordin or Legion alive at the end where they must hold the line until Shepard kills the last boss.  I think this is related to the member-specific upgrades you can perform (Mordin's omni-tool upgrade, Legion's Widow rifle, etc), but unconfirmed.

Oh so that's why my pepople kept getting carried away. I used Jack as my biotic specialist. That said, you should correct your biotic section as I don't think Jack is strong enough. Which doesn't really make sense actually, but I don't know.
Also, as for your last paragraph, I had the Jack member upgrade but she died at the end every time for no reason, where she's randomly on the floor.

Jack was probably not loyal, causing her to fizzle out instead of generate a biotic explosion at the end.  Did you do her loyalty quest?  Did you side with Miranda during their argument?  Either one of these could cause that.

[Manicapathy]

Had Legion as specialist, Garrus for first fire team, Samara for the biotic barier, and Mordin and Jack in my squad.  Grunt for second squad, but he died. 

Also let all the crew run back by themselves, and they died too. 

Also had all the upgrades for the Normandy, and all squad mates loyal. 

[Fates end]

Hmm, thanks. I was wondering why Legion died after the vents, even though he was loyal. Makes sense now, I didn't have the right squadie commanding the other team.

[PlatypusAssasin]

Litos456 wrote...

Ken Ueno wrote...
-If the Biotic Specialist is not a powerful biotic, one of your current squad members will be swarmed by seekers and die. 

Some people also report having trouble keeping Mordin or Legion alive at the end where they must hold the line until Shepard kills the last boss.  I think this is related to the member-specific upgrades you can perform (Mordin's omni-tool upgrade, Legion's Widow rifle, etc), but unconfirmed.

Oh so that's why my pepople kept getting carried away. I used Jack as my biotic specialist. That said, you should correct your biotic section as I don't think Jack is strong enough. Which doesn't really make sense actually, but I don't know.
Also, as for your last paragraph, I had the Jack member upgrade but she died at the end every time for no reason, where she's randomly on the floor.

I used Jack (loyal and upgraded) and she was fine as the specialist, even doing a biotic burst at the end of the section, which was awesome.

[masterjedirobyn]

I allowed Mordin to kill his son on his loyalty quest, though upgraded his omnitool and he survived holding the door. Everyone survived, even Legion, and I did not upgrade his sniper rifle. I never used Grunt, Jack or Zaeed except in their loyalty missions, and they didn't die.



I did use Mordin quite a bit in regular missions though. In fact, I used him on my team during the first part of the collector base attack (open the valves). Then I left him to hold the door.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

There number of conversations you have with them might be a factor but i doubt it. The only hickup i had was i used thane as the biotic my first time and legion got swarmed but i fixed it by reloading a later save. Also i got them all to survive with some hit and miss upgrades, didn't have full tech or armor.

[RiouHotaru]

In response to the OP, it does seem as though Mordin has some hidden value which makes it highly likely for him to die while holding the door for you while you destroy the final boss, it also seems that, as long as the person is loyal, whoever you send to escort the crew gets a free pass to surviving, which makes Mordin a perfect candidate.



For example, in one playthrough, I took Mordin with me to the final boss with Garrus, and no one died. In another playthrough, I used Garrus and Grunt, and Mordin was killed, despite me defeating the boss in practically record time.

[BS Veyron]

I never used grunt outside of his mission and sent him to escort the crew and he survived.

[Ducarmel]

I think upgrades count if nobody mentioned it already

[Jonathan Shepard]

Sometimes Mordin seems to die randomly, but it's only happened when I used him during the barrier leg of the run, and he dies at the very end, without real explanation, and I think I've gotten every upgrade. Everyone's loyal too.

[Junebug88]

There are many many more unknown variables at play than just Upgrades and Loyalty.

Its never that simple. You spend the whole game interacting with these people. ANYTHING could be the variable.

[eriaa]

Weird to hear that Mordin is dying for so many people. I will throw in my run and all variables I can think of.

All members were loyal.
Resolved both the Jack/Miranda and Tali/Legion fight.
Had all possible upgrades (missed a few weapon ones)

For the oculus fight, I used Tali and Miranda.
I used Tali as the specialist.
Miranda lead both the first and second team.
Samara held the barrier.
I used Mordin and Jack for my groups in both of these siutations.
I sent Thane back with the crew.
On my first finish where  I saved the base, I used Tali and Jack to defeat the boss.
On my second finish where I blew up the base, I used Tali and Miranda.

Also, I just watched a video where someone sent Samara back with the crew to escourt (no idea about loyalty) but the crew made it, while she died. So sending someone back isn't always a free pass.

[xMister Vx]

Mayobin wrote...

Was pretty slow with the final boss battle. The reaper knocked out at least 2 or 3 platforms before I finished him off.

Maybe Mordin lives if you leave the "strongest" people and/or a leader by the door with him?

What do you mean, kicked out platforms? He didn't do anything like that in my game. He was just climbing around and shooting a red beam that removed my shields (oooh, so scary). I also took quite some time, since Cain only has power for one shot, and I didn't have much ammo, so I had to kill him using the little SMG ammo I had left and Incinerate.

I did the usual combo that seems to work for most people:
Vents - Legion
Team leader (always)  - Garrus
Shield - Samara
Escort - Mordin
Everyone was saved. Veteran difficulty.

Modifié par xMister Vx, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:06 .

[seig das black]

good thing i max and upgrade everything in these type of games hopefuly now one will die on me ill post how i did it later if theyre all alive plus crew

[CrazyShuba]

Huh, first time I got everyone to survive.

Did all the loyalty missions, did all conversations with each character, and played Paragon with a little Renegade.

I even got Jack pissed at me since she started coming onto me and I said I didn't want her to. Even after surviving, I try to talk to her, and she still just shouts "**** YOU!" at me.



I'm thinking it also has to do with your conversations with people. If you completely disagree with someone, maybe it'll cause them to be "Loyal" to you, but they're not completely loyal to you.

Upgrades are obvious. So is timing.

Might be random also because the creators constantly talk about how "nobody will have the same story as someone else."

That could mean that it's supposed to make it a bit more personalized, as opposed to "if you do this and this, everyone survives."



I mean, hey, I saw people wanting it to be more complex in how each person survives, so that's probably it.



I did it on Normal first time, used Legion, Garrus, Samara, Miranda, and Thane for vents, leader 1, shield, leader 2, and escort.

[Lady Discordia]

The only person who died in my firs playthrough was Jack, but did side with Miranda in their little fight.



I was pleasantly surprised overall, as even though I wanted everyone to survive part of me feared they wouldn't X3



Everyone was Loyal to me, except Jack. If only i'd had enough Paragon points to charm them both into submission XD



Specialist: Tali

First Leader: Miranda

Second Leader: Miranda

Escort: Zaeed

Barrier: Samara

End Battle: Garrus and Miranda



Garrus and Jacob were my constant team mates throughout the rest.

[Empiro]

Didn't have problems keeping anyone alive, so I don't know what's going on.

I can say that I used everyone at least on one mission that wasn't their own, however (except for Legion, whom I didn't have long enough).

Everyone was loyal except for Legion, because I did the dead Reaper ship last, and the abduction happened as soon as I went for the Legion loyalty mission. I rush through the relay after that. I also didn't get his sniper rifle upgrade because the loyalty mission in progress closed off that conversation choice.

Specialist: Tali
1st/2nd Leaders: Miranda
Escort: Jacob
Barrier: Samara
Final Battle: Garrus, Thane

It's possible that the speed at which you run through the fight affects things, especially the final battle. I was pretty fast -- using adrenaline rush + inferno ammo + machine gun.

It's also possible that the way you resolve their loyalty mission affects how the endgame turns out. e.g. you let Mordin shoot or not shoot the scientist (I stopped him), or possibly minor conversation choices throughout the game.

Modifié par Empiro, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:19 .

[SaltyWound]

I made it through with everyone alive, first playthrough. Everyone loyal and all ship upgrades. Had nearly every weapon and armor upgrade as well if that actually matters.



Tech-spert Vents: Legion

1st Fire Team Leader: Garrus

Biotic Barrier: Jack

2nd Fire Team Leader: Garrus again

Crew Escort: Jacob

Final Boss Team with me: Garrus and Legion. It took me a decent amount of time to beat him as well. Not super long, but not record time by any means.



Everyone survived including Mordin.

[thisisme8]

masterjedirobyn wrote...

I allowed Mordin to kill his son on his loyalty quest, though upgraded his omnitool and he survived holding the door. Everyone survived, even Legion, and I did not upgrade his sniper rifle. I never used Grunt, Jack or Zaeed except in their loyalty missions, and they didn't die.

I did use Mordin quite a bit in regular missions though. In fact, I used him on my team during the first part of the collector base attack (open the valves). Then I left him to hold the door line.

Fixed.