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[Oli.C]

Nice work everyone!

[Starscream723]

The problem with the "randomness" theory is that, so far, people reloading from just prior to entering the relay have gotten the exact same result by doing the exact same things. If Mordin survived for someone, he seems to have survived each time that game is replayed. If he's died, he's died each and every time. I've yet to read of anybody replaying the mission from the start, doing the same things, but reaching a different outcome.



This would indicate not a randomness factor, but some other variable we haven't figured out yet.

[Comguard2]

The outcome of every decision in the endgame depends on:



- loyality

- if the squadmate is suited for the task or not.



So, why shouldn't it matter for your last decision? You influence who holds the line by deciding who comes with you to the Terminator-Boss.



Most people just post who opens the vents, leads the secondary squad and so on, but they don`t mention their teammates for the boss.



This is the last decision you make, but a subtle one because you don`t have the "make the right choice" screen of the prior decisions.

[TVR_Fan]

Has anyone done this test:

*Team Members in your squad die
*Team Members Holding the Door Survive

And if so, will Shepard still die. 

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Question: Has anyone found a way to keep Shepard alive, with no other team members alive. Or will Shepard still die, depending on the choices you make.

Modifié par TVR_Fan, 02 février 2010 - 04:40 .

[Comguard2]

I think Shepard dies if your last team dies.



In the final cutscene one of your squadmates pulls you into the Normandy, if you're alone Joker tries - but he is to weak, I think that is the problem.



So it should be possible that 8 squadmates survive, but Shepard and the final two don't make it.

[Darth_Ultima]

In the final battle I have noticed that the survival of the members of the distraction team seems to depend on the number of characters who are soldiers (or at least those with assault rifles) they have with them. The first time I took Grunt and Garrus with me to fight the final boss and sent Zaeed to escort the crew and Mordin died. The second time I sent Zaeed to escort the crew, and took Mordin and Grunt with me and everyone lived. So I don't know its just a guess really.

[flem1]

Comguard2 wrote...

As a rule: don`t take two characters with the assault rifle skill (Samara, Zaeed, Garrus, Legion) with you, otherwise your Squad will be outgunned and somebody dies.

OTOH I took Samara and sent Zaeed on escort and no one died.  But maybe because I took Mordin with me...

[Comguard2]

@Darth_Ultima

I already mentioned it twice in this thread, but good to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that way.

Your decisive choice was Garrus: his extra-assault rifle supported the defence. The door-defense needs at least 3 characters with assault rifles, otherwise a squadmate dies.

OTOH I took Samara and sent Zaeed on escort and no one died.  But maybe because I took Mordin with me..

That`s what I'm talking about. You took Samara and Mordin > just one assault rifle.

That you sent Zaeed to escort is interesting, but we still don`t know if he even counts because he is just optional DLC.

Modifié par Comguard2, 02 février 2010 - 05:01 .

[J.G]

why is it at the end of the game video when shep turns around and u see the crew that survived on the mission u never see miranda or jacob in the video? and mordin was the only one that died for me.

Modifié par J.G, 02 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[tariq071]

Comguard2 wrote...


Your decisive choice was Garrus: his extra-assault rifle supported the defence. The door-defense needs at least 3 characters with assault rifles, otherwise a squadmate dies.

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Don't think  it's that decisive. I took Garrus and Miranda with me, sent Mordin to escort crew and no one died.Garrus got wounded (??) in second TL duty, but he lived.For brief second there i thught that i lost him...

[Comguard2]

"Don't think it's that decisive. I took Garrus and Miranda"



Again, like I said:



Garrus: Assault rifle

Miranda: no assault rifle



You just had one assault rifle for the final battle and everybody survived. Try it again with Garrus and e.g. Samara.



I tested it myself, but it's a little time-consuming to check every possible combination.

[Starscream723]

I've played through the mission with everyone surviving.



I sent Zaeed on escort duty anyway, so that doesn't need to change. I brought Miranda and Samara with me, leaving Legion, Garrus and Grunt with ARs holding the line. Mordin was with them and survived.



I will reload, make the exact same choices for EVERYTHING else, but attempt to minimise the number of AR holding the line.



First, I will bring Garrus and Samara with me, leaving only Legion and Grunt with ARs on defensive duty.



Then, I will do the same but kill off Legion, leaving only Grunt with an AR at the doors.



I'll do this now, and report back. If Mordin dies in one of these, I think it's solved. I've also been through this save with people dying, but those who died were Thane and Jack, i.e. NOT assault rifle wielders, and Mordin still survived, so I don't think his death is directly inked to previous deaths in the mission.

[Series5Ranger]

Does anyone know if the 3 Crew missions : Chakwas Brandy, The Couplings for the Engineers, and the Grocery list on the Citadel, help in the endgame?

[Coldcall01]

Thanks for that writeup. Explains why Tali dies in my first playthrough.I sent her to go through the shafts but sent Samara as leader of B team. Obviously the game doesnt count Samara as a leader. I disagree, i think she is most senior of the crew after Shepard, in experience etc...



Anyways, now i know.

[Starscream723]

Coldcall01 wrote...

Thanks for that writeup. Explains why Tali dies in my first playthrough.I sent her to go through the shafts but sent Samara as leader of B team. Obviously the game doesnt count Samara as a leader. I disagree, i think she is most senior of the crew after Shepard, in experience etc...

Anyways, now i know.

I almost made that same choice, because I wanted Miranda on my team, and at 1000 years old she's certainly experienced. But then I remembered Garrus and his own team, so I thought I'd let him have another shot at it. Apparently, it's because Samara is used to working on her own, not as a leader of a team.

I also sent Legion into the vent, because he's just a robot, and I didn't want to endanger Tali. Just in case.

[Rokkuman]

Leader doesn't just mean experienced.

A leader means they have experience working with a team.

Characters like Zaeed, Samara, and Thane, despite have immense combat experience, have no leadership experience or even experience on a team whatsoever.

[Ken Ueno]

Rokkuman wrote...

Leader doesn't just mean experienced.
A leader means they have experience working with a team.
Characters like Zaeed, Samara, and Thane, despite have immense combat experience, have no leadership experience or even experience on a team whatsoever.

Samara and Thane actually mention in some of their conversations with you on the Normandy that it's a nice change of pace for them to travel with companions or work on a team, as they're unaccustomed to doing so.

The Assault Rifle factor seems like kind of an odd thing to hinge character deaths on, but I can't discount it.  It's going on the list of things to test.

[Comguard2]

@Starscream723

I`ve tried the following combinations for the final boss:

Garrus (AR) and Legion (AR): Mordin dies
Jacob and Mordin: everybody survives
Legion (AR) and Thane: everybody survives

Grunt - does he use an AR? Thought he is SMG and Shotgun? Sent him away for escort.

Modifié par Comguard2, 02 février 2010 - 06:32 .

[nealj85]

I had a loyal Mordin in my crew at the boss- fully upgraded, and I hadn't spoken to him the entire game. He survived.



I had a disloyal Zaheed, I did not give him any tasks, and he survived the fire fight at the end. I used the same person (Garrus) for the first splitting up as I did for the second, and everyone survived.

[slinky317]

Comguard2 wrote...

I have experimented with the endgame and the last fight.

This is the point where often one character dies and nobody knows why.

Now I am pretty sure it doesn't depend on the characters upgrades or how well you know them: it depends entirely on their classes.

As a rule: don`t take two characters with the assault rifle skill (Samara, Zaeed, Garrus, Legion) with you, otherwise your Squad will be outgunned and somebody dies.

I think this is why Mordin dies that often at this point, because he is just a tech/science char.

The first run I took Garrus and Miranda, and Mordin died.  The second run I took Legion and Miranda, and Mordin lived.  The theory doesn't work there because I believe Garrus and Legion are the same class, and can use the same weapons.

Hmm, maybe it's based on their skill levels?  I played with Garrus a lot more, so he should have more skill points.  Legion I just got so didn't get the chance to play with him nearly enough.  Maybe it just depends on the overall skill points combined for all the people left to hold the door?

Modifié par slinky317, 02 février 2010 - 06:19 .

[Comguard2]

This is interesting, Garrus and Miranda should work. I will try this.

Hm, no, I won`t try it, I trust you

And all characters have the same skill points, it doesn't matter how often you take them on missions.

Modifié par Comguard2, 02 février 2010 - 06:22 .

[St Padraig]

Anyone else's Legion die on the Normandy, even if they didn't use Tali to take down the thing in the cargo bay? I had all the upgrades for the Normandy, I was just missing the probes, med-bay and fuel upgrades. Legion was loyal, Tali wasn't.

Modifié par St Padraig, 02 février 2010 - 06:28 .

[Comguard2]

Maybe a stupid question, but just to make sure:



Did you have the Shield-Upgrade? You get it after Talis mission. Maybe you couldn't install it because she was illoyal?

[slinky317]

Comguard2 wrote...

@Starscream723

I`ve tried the following combinations for the final boss:

Garrus (AR) and Legion (AR): Mordin dies
Jacob and Mordin: everybody survives
Legion (AR) and Thane: everybody survives

Grunt - does he use an AR? Thought he is SMG and Shotgun? Sent him away for escort.

Hmm, so I'm beginning to see a pattern.  If you take Garrus with you to fight the Reaper, Mordin dies.  Can anyone confirm?

Or, maybe it's the amount of people you have with you that use ARs.  Don't forget about the person you sent back.  My first run, here are the people that I left back at the door who use ARs:

Legion
Grunt

For my second run, I sent Jacob back (the first run was Zaeed).  So here are the people I had behind that used ARs:

Garrus
Zaeed
Grunt

So, I had one extra person that stayed behind that used ARs and Mordin lived.  Maybe we're on to something here?

Modifié par slinky317, 02 février 2010 - 06:49 .