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[Shannara13]

It seems to me that the Quarians are actually the bad guys since the Geth were just defending themselves. They however seem to be unwilling to accept that the war was all thier fault and that they started it.

[Litos456]

None of them are bad guys. It's a simple misunderstanding.

[AngryTigerP]

Litos456 wrote...

None of them are bad guys. It's a simple misunderstanding.

This.

Once the Geth developed sapience, the Quarians freaked out and tried to control their automated slaves. Before their intelligence, I wouldn't have cared, but at the point they attained sapience, much of the fault was the Quarians. The QUARIANS were the ones that fought back hard to try to keep the Geth down, and were the ones that chose to leave rather than deal with the problem. The Geth have no hard feelings whatsoever -- they're taking care of their creators' homeworlds, ffs!

Still, it actually gave me chills to listen to Legion's earliest record where the Geth, in halting speech, asked the question -- "does this unit have a soul?" or similar. Even moreso when the Quarian handler freaked out. Just... wow. Even the audio was... exciting.

Modifié par AngryTigerP, 31 janvier 2010 - 05:58 .

[Garuda One]

AngryTigerP wrote...

Litos456 wrote...

None of them are bad guys. It's a simple misunderstanding.

[SkywardDescent]

Neither, or both, either one.

[shinobi602]

No one's really bad. Though the Quarians should not have attacked, in my opinion. Dialogue would've been more viable step.

[Fates end]

So the Geth self-defensed the Quarians to near-extinction? Eh, neither are the bad guys really. But I like the Quarians more.

[Yootje]

Litos456 wrote...

None of them are bad guys. It's a simple misunderstanding.

'Simple' would not be the word I would've used, but otherwise, I agree. The Quarians need to get over their prejudice and the geth need to reign in the heretics and maybe we can all solve this. Unlike the Quarians, the Geth can easily colonise new worlds, so they should be able to figure out a peaceful solution where the Quarians get their homeworld back.

[Anglerfish610]

Garuda One wrote...

AngryTigerP wrote...

Litos456 wrote...

None of them are bad guys. It's a simple misunderstanding.

[Juztinb42]

Quarians seem unwilling to accept failure. The Geth did not choose to be created, nor did they choose to be given such advanced capabilities. The "heretics" are the only bad guys. The normal Geth and the Quarians are neither good nor bad.

[Shannara13]

Fates end wrote...

So the Geth self-defensed the Quarians to near-extinction? Eh, neither are the bad guys really. But I like the Quarians more.

I got the impression that the Quarians were simply unwilling to ever accept peace as an alternative. The Quarians almost got extinct because they were unwilling to admit that the Geth had a right to life.

[Nyysjan]

At this point, neither, all the people guilty of the current situation are dead (well, maybe not the among the geth, but among the quarians atleast).



Currently the it's just a ****ty situation where no amount of finger pointing is going to help, and, considering the Legion/Tali interraction, it might be possible to find somekind of peacefull solution (probably involving the Geth leaving the Quarian homeworld in exchange for Quarians leaving the Geth alone and stopping any Geth experiments).



But considering all the bad blood between them, i won't be holding my breath.

[Litos456]

The problem is now, the Geth want to apologize I think, except the Quarians are too pissed off to make sense of it. It'll take a lot of charm or intimidate skills to convince them... but then again, Tali was in the middle of this, so she can help.

Good nice Tali.

[AngryTigerP]

I edited my first post, but everyone kept on, so I'll post my main point here

Once the Geth developed sapience, the Quarians freaked out and tried to control their automated slaves. Before their intelligence, I wouldn't have cared, but at the point they attained sapience, much of the fault was the Quarians. The QUARIANS were the ones that fought back hard to try to keep the Geth down, and were the ones that chose to leave rather than deal with the problem. The Geth have no hard feelings whatsoever -- they're taking care of their creators' homeworlds, ffs!

Still, it actually gave me chills to listen to Legion's earliest record where the Geth, in halting speech, asked the question -- "does this unit have a soul?" or similar. Even moreso when the Quarian handler freaked out. Just... wow. Even the audio was... exciting.

Modifié par AngryTigerP, 31 janvier 2010 - 06:00 .

[Garuda One]

AngryTigerP wrote...

I edited my first post, but everyone kept on, so I'll post my main point here

Once the Geth developed sapience, the Quarians freaked out and tried to control their automated slaves. Before their intelligence, I wouldn't have cared, but at the point they attained sapience, much of the fault was the Quarians. The QUARIANS were the ones that fought back hard to try to keep the Geth down, and were the ones that chose to leave rather than deal with the problem. The Geth have no hard feelings whatsoever -- they're taking care of their creators' homeworlds, ffs!

Still, it actually gave me chills to listen to Legion's earliest record where the Geth, in halting speech, asked the question -- "does this unit have a soul?" or similar. Even moreso when the Quarian handler freaked out. Just... wow. Even the audio was... exciting.

I got goose bumps listening to it. So I Robot/AI the movies. I really do hope Legion is in the third game and is on your team.

[RogueGeth]

Fish Fables wrote...

Garuda One wrote...

AngryTigerP wrote...

Litos456 wrote...

None of them are bad guys. It's a simple misunderstanding.

This answer is FTW.

[shinobi602]

AngryTigerP wrote...

I edited my first post, but everyone kept on, so I'll post my main point here

Once the Geth developed sapience, the Quarians freaked out and tried to control their automated slaves. Before their intelligence, I wouldn't have cared, but at the point they attained sapience, much of the fault was the Quarians. The QUARIANS were the ones that fought back hard to try to keep the Geth down, and were the ones that chose to leave rather than deal with the problem. The Geth have no hard feelings whatsoever -- they're taking care of their creators' homeworlds, ffs!

Still, it actually gave me chills to listen to Legion's earliest record where the Geth, in halting speech, asked the question -- "does this unit have a soul?" or similar. Even moreso when the Quarian handler freaked out. Just... wow. Even the audio was... exciting.

Wait, when do you hear Legion say that?

[Monglor]

The Geth are the baddies because they are killbots from outer space. That basically covers it.

[Branclem]

I'm looking forward to some sort of resolution to this matter in ME3, where you can perhaps get back the quarian homeworld, help them colonize a new homeworld, or something like that.

[Shannara13]

shinobi602 wrote...

AngryTigerP wrote...

I edited my first post, but everyone kept on, so I'll post my main point here

Once the Geth developed sapience, the Quarians freaked out and tried to control their automated slaves. Before their intelligence, I wouldn't have cared, but at the point they attained sapience, much of the fault was the Quarians. The QUARIANS were the ones that fought back hard to try to keep the Geth down, and were the ones that chose to leave rather than deal with the problem. The Geth have no hard feelings whatsoever -- they're taking care of their creators' homeworlds, ffs!

Still, it actually gave me chills to listen to Legion's earliest record where the Geth, in halting speech, asked the question -- "does this unit have a soul?" or similar. Even moreso when the Quarian handler freaked out. Just... wow. Even the audio was... exciting.

Wait, when do you hear Legion say that?

After you talk to him enough you can get him to replay an audio from the past and that is the one he chooses.

[packardbell]

The Quarians were, the whole war could of been avoided if they actually didn't try to wipe them out.

[PathofDaggers]

I'd go with neither, but did any one else get a Battlestar Galactica vibe from this whole situation? I dont know how the original series was cause Ive never watched it but still, just remembering the openings of the new series' episodes seems like Bioware got isperation for it from BSG

[aeetos21]

The quarians wanted cheap labor, so they researched heavily into advanced AI. It worked for a while until the AI (the geth) became self aware.



You could make the analogy of slavery and beast dominion. For millenia we used animals and slaves to do hard manual labor. When some people began to realize that slaves were people also ethical questions finally showed up. We didn't simply break into two different factions (geth and quarian) it's a little more complicated than that.Still there was a lot of fighting and though it isn't nearly ideal today there is a lot more equality and respect than in previous generations.



History reminder over, the geth are a sentinent race. What the quarians did was a knee jerk response, understandable at the time but ultimately the quarians are responsible for creating an intelligent sentient race and they need to figure out how to deal with that.

[halO bendeR]

I can't help but see the Quarian/Geth situation as something of an allegory for --or at least inspired by-- certain real world situations...

I don't think either side is 'bad', but certainly both sides preference to use violence over negotiation is the cause of much of the problem in the first place.

[blank1]

The real bad guys here are the Council species. They basically told billions of Quarians, "Too bad, deal with it." Then they all died. It was basically a Citadel sanctioned near-extinction event. There easily could have been Council intervention on a scale much smaller than full scale war to open up dialogue, even if they had to intimidate with massive fleets to force either side to talk. It's not like there would have been massive losses either -- the Geth were very undeveloped, and the Turians had the largest fleet in Citadel space at the time.



Billions of lives could have been saved, and the Citadel would have powerful AI allies.



Screw the Council. I'm glad I let those pricks die.