Lmaoboat wrote...
By that logic, pong is an RPG in wich you play the ROLE of a paddel.
Modifié par Lui77, 31 janvier 2010 - 09:58 .
Schurge wrote...
Walking from Point A to Point B. Random encounter initiated. Susan hits fireball. Steve hits jump, Bob the Bard acts useless, Billy uses standard attack. Fireball kills enemy. Fight Over.
How is that for depth buddy?
Modifié par Schurge, 31 janvier 2010 - 09:44 .
That isn't the sole factor of an RPG. JRPGs have none of this, but are still considered RPGs because they have lots of other RPG elements. ME1 has all the RPG elements of ME2, plus more skills and loot, and thus it's "more" of an RPG.Twitchmonkey wrote...
Lmaoboat wrote...
By that logic, pong is an RPG in wich you play the ROLE of a paddel.
It's not because you can make decisions about your stance on anything, you can't define your character, you can't develop or avoid relationships. Without dialouge where you have multiple options, there is no RPG, there is jsut an action game with stats and loot.
Lmaoboat wrote...
That isn't the sole factor of an RPG. JRPGs have none of this, but are still considered RPGs because they have lots of other RPG elements. ME1 has all the RPG elements of ME2, plus more skills and loot, and thus it's "more" of an RPG.
Modifié par pilot2fly, 31 janvier 2010 - 09:52 .
pilot2fly wrote...
Not this argument again...
To finally end this discussion, a role-playing game (RPG) is a game in which one assumes the role of a character, generally in a fantasy or science fiction setting, that can interact within the game's imaginary world.
ME2 is an RPG. End thread.
Nemesis7884 wrote...
An RPG IS micromanaging stats.
An RPG IS getting phat l00tz.
An RPG IS a large and complex spec tree
at least this is what current rpgs are and what players expect and want additionally to
a deep and intense story
interesting and interactive characters
choices
Schurge wrote...
ranger614 wrote...
Jack > You.
ROFL.
Schurge wrote...
pilot2fly wrote...
Not this argument again...
To finally end this discussion, a role-playing game (RPG) is a game in which one assumes the role of a character, generally in a fantasy or science fiction setting, that can interact within the game's imaginary world.
ME2 is an RPG. End thread.
You win the thread.
Schurge wrote...
Exploring? Check! Branching dungeons? Check (Though to a lesser degree then what you are referring to). Talking with NPCs and Companions? Double Check! Looting new items? Check! (Though to alot lesser degree then what you are referring to). Managing your party? Check!
Modifié par Abriael_CG, 31 janvier 2010 - 10:00 .
Never in any point in RPG history was that literal definition true. RPGs have always been much more than "playing a role." If you were to use that narrow definition, 90% of RPGs would be mislabled. Charcerization through dialouge choices is merely one fascet of RPGs.Twitchmonkey wrote...
Lmaoboat wrote...
That isn't the sole factor of an RPG. JRPGs have none of this, but are still considered RPGs because they have lots of other RPG elements. ME1 has all the RPG elements of ME2, plus more skills and loot, and thus it's "more" of an RPG.
JRPGs are called RPGs, but that does not make them RPGs as you are not playing a role, you're going through the motions making pre-determined decisions and playing a turn-based action game. While I agree that technically ME1 had all of the RPG elements of ME2, ME2's story and acting makes you care about the role you're playing, so it is a more effective RPG, even if you can't account for a particular feature that enhances its RPG elements.
Modifié par Lmaoboat, 31 janvier 2010 - 10:01 .
Schurge wrote...
pilot2fly wrote...
Not this argument again...
To finally end this discussion, a role-playing game (RPG) is a game in which one assumes the role of a character, generally in a fantasy or science fiction setting, that can interact within the game's imaginary world.
ME2 is an RPG. End thread.
You win the thread.
And exploring doesn't mean finding diffrent looking marbels to play Mineral Minesweeper on.Abriael_CG wrote...
Schurge wrote...
Exploring? Check! Branching dungeons? Check (Though to a lesser degree then what you are referring to). Talking with NPCs and Companions? Double Check! Looting new items? Check! (Though to alot lesser degree then what you are referring to). Managing your party? Check!
"branching" doesn't mean having one locked room to the side that you can access for some credits and a medigel. There's no branching to speak off in ME2's dungeon crawling. They're all A -> B
And extremely short to boot.
Lmaoboat wrote...
Never in any point in RPG history was that literal definition true. RPGs have always been much more thna "playing a role." If you were to use that narrow definition, 90% of RPGs would be mislabled.
Core appeal is subjective. I've always been a treasure hunter at heart, and one of the main draws for me is phat loot.Twitchmonkey wrote...
Lmaoboat wrote...
Never in any point in RPG history was that literal definition true. RPGs have always been much more thna "playing a role." If you were to use that narrow definition, 90% of RPGs would be mislabled.
Would this be a bad thing? Stat-based action games can be great, why do we have to act like they are actually RPGs? The core appeal of the classic PnP RPGs was that you could do whatever you want, not that you could pick up a nwe sword. That was part of it, but it's not why people play PnP games, PnP is largely what RPGs have evolved from.
Twitchmonkey wrote...
Would this be a bad thing? Stat-based action games can be great, why do we have to act like they are actually RPGs? The core appeal of the classic PnP RPGs was that you could do whatever you want, not that you could pick up a nwe sword. That was part of it, but it's not why people play PnP games, PnP is largely what RPGs have evolved from.
Pocketgb wrote...
ME2 doesn't lack depth, it's not "Gears of Effect 2", it's just more of a different game. And I can understand that completely, just look at the original Fallout fans when Fallout 3 hit.
But does that mean Fallout 3 is a terrible game? No.
Is Fallout 3 more shallow than Fallout? Of course not.
Bioware just went a different route with ME2, possibly a route they wanted to test out, possibly one that they felt was more appropriate with where they wanted to head with the series.
) I don't think ME2 is perfect (I mean really, what game is perfect?), but I don't feel that Bioware ripped me off either.
Lmaoboat wrote...
Core appeal is subjective. I've always been a treasure hunter at heart, and one of the main draws for me is phat loot.
Actually for many a big part of the core appeal of PnP RPGs is
character progression as well. Stats and loot play a big part in that.
In
computer RPGs you CANNOT do whatever you want, no matter how wide the
choices you are given are (and in ME2 they aren't even that wide and
varied), so if we used that definition, no videogame would be an RPG.
ME2
has SOME very loose RPG factors, but much less than basically every
other RPG out there, which makes questioning it's nature as an RPG
entirely legit.
Modifié par Twitchmonkey, 31 janvier 2010 - 10:13 .
Rendar666 wrote...
Nemesis7884 wrote...
An RPG IS micromanaging stats.
An RPG IS getting phat l00tz.
An RPG IS a large and complex spec tree
at least this is what current rpgs are and what players expect and want additionally to
a deep and intense story
interesting and interactive characters
choices
Your post is phail.
Honestly.
"Current RPGs are" expected to be what you listed? Um, just because something breaks outside the mold doesn't make it no longer apart of that group. That's ubsurd. You people. Just because you expect it to be a certain way doesn't mean that your definition of an RPG is any better than mine. I think it's an RPG. I'm so not arguing this anymore. You people say what you want and I'll go enjoy Mass Effect 2.
Phat Phail. lol
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