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[Amplias]

I'm having a lot of trouble on this part, what is the upside to re-writing the geth? you will have a ton of them at your disposal right? or is there more to it than that, secondly, if i re-write them there is a chance they go crazy again and kill everyone ie:Quarians...My other choice, blow the bad geth up and keep the good ones, (which there isn't many of i have been told) and quarians will still fight them. advice?

[hawat333]

I'd say: rewrite. You'll need an army of allies against the Reapers in the sequel.

It's a bit risky though.

Do what feels more right. Sometimes a little blind driving doesn't hurt.

[RickmanUK]

No Immediate Advantage... But long term, If i recall the Conversation Correctly. "There's no Gurrante that they won't do the Same Again Right?" "Affimative"

That is too say even if you rewrite them, there's a chance that it'll happen again anyway. Preventative Treatment is better then curing it after it's happened.

[Shannara13]

Amplias wrote...

I'm having a lot of trouble on this part, what is the upside to re-writing the geth? you will have a ton of them at your disposal right? or is there more to it than that, secondly, if i re-write them there is a chance they go crazy again and kill everyone ie:Quarians...My other choice, blow the bad geth up and keep the good ones, (which there isn't many of i have been told) and quarians will still fight them. advice?

Actually there are lots of the good geth. Legions tells you that the heretics are actually the vast minority.

[Amplias]

Shannara13 wrote...

Amplias wrote...

I'm having a lot of trouble on this part, what is the upside to re-writing the geth? you will have a ton of them at your disposal right? or is there more to it than that, secondly, if i re-write them there is a chance they go crazy again and kill everyone ie:Quarians...My other choice, blow the bad geth up and keep the good ones, (which there isn't many of i have been told) and quarians will still fight them. advice?

Actually there are lots of the good geth. Legions tells you that the heretics are actually the vast minority.

Are you sure??? i could have recalled that the heretics were the majority, because the regular geth are on the home world, and there are 2.2 million or so on the heretic ship. if that's the case though i'm going to re write them, i don't know...i was positive the heretics were the majority though

[GreenBulet]

Amplias wrote...

Shannara13 wrote...

Amplias wrote...

I'm having a lot of trouble on this part, what is the upside to re-writing the geth? you will have a ton of them at your disposal right? or is there more to it than that, secondly, if i re-write them there is a chance they go crazy again and kill everyone ie:Quarians...My other choice, blow the bad geth up and keep the good ones, (which there isn't many of i have been told) and quarians will still fight them. advice?

Actually there are lots of the good geth. Legions tells you that the heretics are actually the vast minority.

Are you sure??? i could have recalled that the heretics were the majority, because the regular geth are on the home world, and there are 2.2 million or so on the heretic ship. if that's the case though i'm going to re write them, i don't know...i was positive the heretics were the majority though

The heretics where a minorty Legion even said they arent geth majorty of us didnt beilve in the gods but we understood (or something along them lines) all in all the geth dont see the bad geth as geth and they are only few

[Junebug88]

Just make your own decision. There is no wrong choice.

[TPBHatchet]

the good geth i thought were past known space, I re-wrote them, I know whats comming, and I want everything at my disposal, vast geth army, rachni army.. etc.

[AngryTigerP]

Amplias wrote...

Shannara13 wrote...

Amplias wrote...

I'm having a lot of trouble on this part, what is the upside to re-writing the geth? you will have a ton of them at your disposal right? or is there more to it than that, secondly, if i re-write them there is a chance they go crazy again and kill everyone ie:Quarians...My other choice, blow the bad geth up and keep the good ones, (which there isn't many of i have been told) and quarians will still fight them. advice?

Actually there are lots of the good geth. Legions tells you that the heretics are actually the vast minority.

Are you sure??? i could have recalled that the heretics were the majority, because the regular geth are on the home world, and there are 2.2 million or so on the heretic ship. if that's the case though i'm going to re write them, i don't know...i was positive the heretics were the majority though

It is explicitly stated by Legion that they are in the very small minority.

[Bazak]

yes he said around 5% of the total geth decided to become the heretics so realy small amount of the geth considering they have thousands of ship around just that one gas giant in that one system (forget which)

[Gvaz]

the heretics are a small minority of their population



like mormons or something



anyways, rewriting the geth basically will mean that they will band WITH organics at least temporarily to fight the reapers in ME2

[Sorwen]

Just incase someone else comes across this like me. Actually by the mission the good geth are the minority. There are only 1004 good geth left there are over 2.2 million geth programs abord that one station and they had multiple stations. Actually Legion says there are only 1001 before the mission but then says there are 503 for rewrite and 501 for destruction. Looks like Legion had one of those math errors. I didn't help me decide which to do though.  I just have a bad feeling rewrite will back fire.  It seems just a little too easy.  The Rachni seemed a little more difficult a way to gain support.  I just feel the Heritics will end up winning and rewrite the good geth through numbers.  Ah well paragon for the win I guess.

Modifié par Sorwen, 28 février 2010 - 05:33 .

[DaeJi]

My Shepard wouldn't brain wash the Asari into agreeing with her and she's not about to do the same to the Geth. While blowing them up may be extreme, she is not going to take free will away from them.

[buttcrackofdoom]

Sorwen wrote...

Just incase someone else comes across this like me. Actually by the mission the good geth are the minority. There are only 1004 good geth left there are over 2.2 million geth programs abord that one station and they had multiple stations. Actually Legion says there are only 1001 before the mission but then says there are 503 for rewrite and 501 for destruction. Looks like Legion had one of those math errors. I didn't help me decide which to do though.  I just have a bad feeling rewrite will back fire.  It seems just a little too easy.  The Rachni seemed a little more difficult a way to gain support.  I just feel the Heritics will end up winning and rewrite the good geth through numbers.  Ah well paragon for the win I guess.

Read the codex.  Only 5% of Geth are heretics.  Not all of the good Geth are in Legion.

[TheUnusualSuspect]

Sorwen wrote...

Just incase someone else comes across this like me. Actually by the mission the good geth are the minority. There are only 1004 good geth left there are over 2.2 million geth programs abord that one station and they had multiple stations. Actually Legion says there are only 1001 before the mission but then says there are 503 for rewrite and 501 for destruction. Looks like Legion had one of those math errors.

When he said that, Legion was talking about the number of programs running within his platform (his physical form) alone.  Legion does not make up all "good" geth.  He explains how he works, and his invidual programs work together to build consensus on issue, and in this instance, his programs roughly disagreed 50:50 over whether to re-write or destroy, essentially opting out and leaving the choice up to Shepard.

[Internet Kraken]

Sorwen wrote...

Just incase someone else comes across this like me. Actually by the mission the good geth are the minority. There are only 1004 good geth left there are over 2.2 million geth programs abord that one station and they had multiple stations. Actually Legion says there are only 1001 before the mission but then says there are 503 for rewrite and 501 for destruction. Looks like Legion had one of those math errors. I didn't help me decide which to do though.  I just have a bad feeling rewrite will back fire.  It seems just a little too easy.  The Rachni seemed a little more difficult a way to gain support.  I just feel the Heritics will end up winning and rewrite the good geth through numbers.  Ah well paragon for the win I guess.

No. Those are all of the Geth that form Legion. The other billion Geth programs that can be considered good Geth are beyond the Perseus Veil.

[TheUnusualSuspect]

DaeJi wrote...

My Shepard wouldn't brain wash the Asari into agreeing with her and she's not about to do the same to the Geth. While blowing them up may be extreme, she is not going to take free will away from them.

As Legion would likely say, that is a false anthropomorphism to apply to software programs.  They do not have free will, they are suffering from a systemic operating difference only.

[DaeJi]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...


As Legion would likely say, that is a false anthropomorphism to apply to software programs.  They do not have free will, they are suffering from a systemic operating difference only.

Call it what you will, those Geth came to their conclusion on their own. If the Geth want to be seen as a real species, and Legion gives me the impression that they do, then they have to accept that different opinions will form.

[TheUnusualSuspect]

DaeJi wrote...

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...


As Legion would likely say, that is a false anthropomorphism to apply to software programs.  They do not have free will, they are suffering from a systemic operating difference only.

Call it what you will, those Geth came to their conclusion on their own. If the Geth want to be seen as a real species, and Legion gives me the impression that they do, then they have to accept that different opinions will form.

Bingo.  So destroying all dissenting opinion by blowing them up, as opposed to fixing a self-destructive systemic error (following the Reapers is always going to end badly for the Geth), allows for a greater diversity of opinions how?

Modifié par TheUnusualSuspect, 28 février 2010 - 05:50 .

[DaeJi]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

Bingo.  So destroying all dissenting opinion by blowing them up, as opposed to fixing a self-destructive systemic error (following the Reapers is always going to end badly for the Geth), allows for a greater diversity of opinions how?

Simple, it allows for them to make their own decision and then face the fallout from that decision. Those Geth choose to attack organics and create a virus to attack their own people with. Forcibly changing their views is just as bad. They made a choice, and that choice made them enemies that need to be stopped.

[TheUnusualSuspect]

DaeJi wrote...

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

Bingo.  So destroying all dissenting opinion by blowing them up, as opposed to fixing a self-destructive systemic error (following the Reapers is always going to end badly for the Geth), allows for a greater diversity of opinions how?

Simple, it allows for them to make their own decision and then face the fallout from that decision. Those Geth choose to attack organics and create a virus to attack their own people with. Forcibly changing their views is just as bad. They made a choice, and that choice made them enemies that need to be stopped.

The way I see it is like this. The human equivalent would be killing a mentally ill patient for their poor choices, as opposed to giving them the required drugs which fixes their chemical imbalance in their brain that is causing their whacked out opinions.  Killing the person destroys all chance that they'll ever be productive.  Correcting what's broken still allows them to be productive and still provide their own independent viewpoints.

I cannot see how killing off a sapient entity due to it suffering from a correctable malfunction is possibly more noble than fixing their fault, and allowing them to live and continue to offer their independent opinions.

They're software programs.  They're malfunctioning.  You fix them if you're "good", not kill them.  Same with people (if we're going to apply human values to software).

Modifié par TheUnusualSuspect, 28 février 2010 - 06:00 .

[Jayne7]

So the question as to rewrite or destroy the Heretics. Although I play a Paragon Shepard, I decided to destroy the Heretics. The Heretics aligned themselves with the Reaper, the virus they created was stored on a data core provided by Sovereign, let me repeat, provided by Sovereign...a Reaper.



Keep in mind, thanks to the Prometheans, the Reaper harvest was significantly delayed in their harvesting and the races have evolved and are technologically more advanced than the previous harveting times. Sovereign was patient in developing allies and trying to find a way to call the Reapers from dark space to harvest--Sovereign had ample time to assess the situation make arrangements to compromise/convert those not allied with the Reapers as the other Reapers find a way to return from dark space. So, I find myself very opposed to repurposing something created by a Reaper ally and stored on a data core provided by Sovereign itself.



The decision was left in Shepard's hands because of experience and perspective since the Geth were pretty much split on the decision. This decision doesn't conflict with Legion, since the Geth believe that all intelligent life should self determinate. The Heretics choose to follow the Reapers and with the threat of the virus, trying to brainwash the Geth(virus=synthetic indoctrination) thereby becoming an enemy to the Geth and the Geth will preserve their life, even if it means destroying the Heretics.



Plus, integrating the Heretics memories into the Geth by rewriting might compromise the Geth's benign disposition. As for the war with the Reapers, the Heretics make up a small percentage of the Geth population so, I don't think the loss of their numbers will be an issue.



Side note: So is it a coincidence that the Repears refer to themselves as Legion in ME1 and ME2's AI (Geth)gets named Legion? Very interesting...In ME1 when Shepard asked Sovereign where the other Reapers are and if it was the last of its kind, Sovereign replies, " We are Legion. The time of our return is coming. Our numbers will darken the sky of every world, you cannot escape your doom". I adore ME2's Legion but I've got a bad feeling that the Geth will just evolve into more Reapers. ...

[pubgoblin]

choosing rewrite gave me paragon points......i was trying to get renegade

[Mars Nova]

I blow them to hell for two main reasons.



1-Re-writing them just seems wrong, like something the Reapers would do.

2-There's no guarantee they won't start killing organics again.

[applehug]

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