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[Mr. Gogeta34]

Going off of the past 2 games, if you want to save the most lives and get the most content and praise, do the Paragon option (whatever that is, doesn't really matter). It's got the best track record (which is 100%/flawless).

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 juin 2011 - 01:58 .

[Golden Owl]

Has anyone else thought about the parallels between the Geth question...rewrite or destroy...and a common current question we often see come up today....capital punishment or life imprisonment?

Modifié par Golden Owl, 08 juin 2011 - 05:27 .

[tjzsf]

Not really?
Both my wuxia paragon shep and my mission first renegade shep thought of it just purely in terms of it being better to capture and use enemy equipment than it is to destroy the equipment.

[Labrev]

Someone tell me if my thought-process is sound here....

The only real reason to destroy the heretics is to keep the geth main faction from becoming stronger, to mitigate the damage they'd do if they do something like follow Sovereign/the Reapers again. But the geth build more of themselves constantly, and eventually will probably swell to the same size down the line as if you'd have kept the heretics with them. So why not re-write them to assist you in your efforts against the Reapers if they are going to grow to size anyway?

[Antivenger]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Someone tell me if my thought-process is sound here....

The only real reason to destroy the heretics is to keep the geth main faction from becoming stronger, to mitigate the damage they'd do if they do something like follow Sovereign/the Reapers again. But the geth build more of themselves constantly, and eventually will probably swell to the same size down the line as if you'd have kept the heretics with them. So why not re-write them to assist you in your efforts against the Reapers if they are going to grow to size anyway?

If one does not trust the Geth, one would not have activated Legion in the first place, therefore not having the chance to hack or destroy them. Therefore, the only plausible reason (of which I can think of at this moment) why many players choose to destroy the Geth is because Tali said so. <_<

[Dave666]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Someone tell me if my thought-process is sound here....

The only real reason to destroy the heretics is to keep the geth main faction from becoming stronger, to mitigate the damage they'd do if they do something like follow Sovereign/the Reapers again. But the geth build more of themselves constantly, and eventually will probably swell to the same size down the line as if you'd have kept the heretics with them. So why not re-write them to assist you in your efforts against the Reapers if they are going to grow to size anyway?

Nope theres another very valid reason (one that I use).  Legion says that if you re-write then the Heretics will return to the fold and share their collective thoughts.  What happens after this is unknown.  It is entirely plausible that the Heretics could in fact convince the True Geth into believing as they do and we'd have ALL Geth against us.  Better to destroy and lose a miniscule fraction of Geth than to risk the status quo certainty that the rest of the Geth are all on your side.

[SennenScale]

Antivenger wrote...

If one does not trust the Geth, one would not have activated Legion in the first place, therefore not having the chance to hack or destroy them. Therefore, the only plausible reason (of which I can think of at this moment) why many players choose to destroy the Geth is because Tali said so. <_<

OR players are uncomfortable with the idea of rewriting sapients. Some feel death is more dignified.

OR they are afraid that the heretics will not stay rewritten, and may deloy that virus/convince the rest of the Geth to follow the Reapers.

Don't just assume it's all due to Tali.

[78stonewobble]

Rewrite.

I'm a bit tired that AI in movies/games are allways hellbent on our destruction forcing us to be either be killed or kill them.

Looking at it "realistically" I can't really see where that malevolence would come from in an AI.

There aren't really any logic in starting a war with bio creatures. It's just a waste of resources right?
Plus being presumably rather logical in their way of thinking it would probably be easy to limit their growth rates and thus don't have to take over the planet, galaxy, universe.


The geth defended themselves from annihilation. Thats fair enough IMHO.

[Labrev]

Dave666 wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Someone tell me if my thought-process is sound here....

The only real reason to destroy the heretics is to keep the geth main faction from becoming stronger, to mitigate the damage they'd do if they do something like follow Sovereign/the Reapers again. But the geth build more of themselves constantly, and eventually will probably swell to the same size down the line as if you'd have kept the heretics with them. So why not re-write them to assist you in your efforts against the Reapers if they are going to grow to size anyway?

Nope theres another very valid reason (one that I use).  Legion says that if you re-write then the Heretics will return to the fold and share their collective thoughts.  What happens after this is unknown.  It is entirely plausible that the Heretics could in fact convince the True Geth into believing as they do and we'd have ALL Geth against us.  Better to destroy and lose a miniscule fraction of Geth than to risk the status quo certainty that the rest of the Geth are all on your side.

But isn't the point of the virus to make them believe the opposite?

[Seboist]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Someone tell me if my thought-process is sound here....

The only real reason to destroy the heretics is to keep the geth main faction from becoming stronger, to mitigate the damage they'd do if they do something like follow Sovereign/the Reapers again. But the geth build more of themselves constantly, and eventually will probably swell to the same size down the line as if you'd have kept the heretics with them. So why not re-write them to assist you in your efforts against the Reapers if they are going to grow to size anyway?

Nope theres another very valid reason (one that I use).  Legion says that if you re-write then the Heretics will return to the fold and share their collective thoughts.  What happens after this is unknown.  It is entirely plausible that the Heretics could in fact convince the True Geth into believing as they do and we'd have ALL Geth against us.  Better to destroy and lose a miniscule fraction of Geth than to risk the status quo certainty that the rest of the Geth are all on your side.

But isn't the point of the virus to make them believe the opposite?

In theory yes but Legion says Orthodox Geth will gain the Heretics' perspective/memories and like Shepard says "It could be traumatizing".

[LuxDragon]

Having seen geth in the new gameplay movies at E3, does any of these options even matter?

I really hope so.

[Catalyst38]

Not all paragon choices have had happy endings. For examples not killing fist looks like it will bite you in the ass in the next game. As well as letting that crazy scientist live on vermire( might have spelled that wrong). I bet I could think of more it I really thought about it.

[GuardianAngel470]

@Dean and Hah Yes, neither of those are the reasons that I destroy the heretics.

First, I always take Garrus with me on that mission since he has Overload and ARs. He councils that "letting the heretics choose then killing them for it" is pretty hipocritical. He doesn't take a side from what I remember.

Second, Legion tells you that the Heretics make up about 5% of all geth while Legion's geth make up the other 95%. Therefore, rewriting them should not make hardly any difference in terms of marshall strength so no, I don't kill them because I'm afraid they will somehow make the geth stronger.

I trust Legion; I think he had plenty of opportunity to kill me on the Reaper Corpse and I think that he proved, at least partially, his trustworthyness by not killing me in the heat of battle on the Heretic station. Later I find out that his geth make up a consciousness large enough for EDI to describe it as "the size of a galactic arm".

But my decision to destroy the heretic geth is based mostly on a cost-benefit analysis. Legion states throughout that mission that he does not know what will happen when they use the virus. He states that, when asked about trauma, he does not know if the geth can be traumatized. Throughout the mission he does not describe for me the type of certainty in outcome that I would need to risk 95% of a species for.

If nothing happens Legion's geth get 5% of their species back and added insight into the reapers.

If the virus somehow fails it could potentially corrupt 95% of a species; a species that I see will have a huge impact on the war with the Reapers due to their reliance on homebrewed technology and the fact that as AI's they are inherently capable of more than a human.

Even if the virus doesn't corrupt the whole species and the heretics simply revert to their original opinions that still defeats the purpose of doing the LM.

Of course this is all based on the idea that Legion and his Geth can be trusted. If somehow that isn't the case then really, kiling the heretics is as good a choice as any.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 10 juin 2011 - 10:17 .

[Seboist]

LuxDragon wrote...

Having seen geth in the new gameplay movies at E3, does any of these options even matter?

I really hope so.

Like with the Genophage data decision in Mordin's LM? It matters not.

[Seboist]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

@Dean and Hah Yes, neither of those are the reasons that I destroy the heretics.

First, I always take Garrus with me on that mission since he has Overload and ARs. He councils that "letting the heretics choose then killing them for it" is pretty hipocritical. He doesn't take a side from what I remember.

Second, Legion tells you that the Heretics make up about 5% of all geth while Legion's geth make up the other 95%. Therefore, rewriting them should not make hardly any difference in terms of marshall strength so no, I don't kill them because I'm afraid they will somehow make the geth stronger.

I trust Legion; I think he had plenty of opportunity to kill me on the Reaper Corpse and I think that he proved, at least partially, his trustworthyness by not killing me in the heat of battle on the Heretic station. Later I find out that his geth make up a consciousness large enough for EDI to describe it as "the size of a galactic arm".

But my decision to destroy the heretic geth is based mostly on a cost-benefit analysis. Legion states throughout that mission that he does not know what will happen when they use the virus. He states that, when asked about trauma, he does not know if the geth can be traumatized. Throughout the mission he does not describe for me the type of certainty in outcome that I would need to risk 95% of a species for.

If nothing happens Legion's geth get 5% of their species back and added insight into the reapers.

If the virus somehow fails it could potentially corrupt 95% of a species; a species that I see will have a huge impact on the war with the Reapers due to their reliance on homebrewed technology and the fact that as AI's they are inherently capable of more than a human.

Even if the virus doesn't corrupt the whole species and the heretics simply revert to their original opinions that still defeats the purpose of doing the LM.

Of course this is all based on the idea that Legion and his Geth can be trusted. If somehow that isn't the case then really, kiling the heretics is as good a choice as any.

Legion never guarantees any long term peace with organics and his alleged lack of knowledge of the endgame of their Dyson sphere is a bit iffy.

[Labrev]

Well then I'm going back and blowing them up now.

Yes! Finally an excuse to revive my canon Shep!

[Darkhour]

Destroy: The Geth stay the way they are (like Legion).  You have destroyed an enemy.

Rewrite: Once the Heretics rejoin the Geth, there memories and data will be readded to the Geth and may change them in an unpredictable way. Maybe more of them will see the Heretic logic in a new light. Maybe the Heretic programs will side with the reapers again. Or maybe it alls works out and you have a larger force to fight against the reapers.


I typically destroy them in 5 out of 6 Shepards.  All Heretics are combatant. They have no civilians or medics. Every last one of them is an enemy soldier bent on killing organixs. I like Legion, and hence the Geth, just the way they are. I'd rather not risk that stability over sparing a bunch of mooks who would shoot a baby without a second thought.  

[O-Togakure]

To Liara, after defeating the Shadow Broker, Paragon Shepard states that he is fighting for "all of us ..." that we all deserve a chance, despite our imperfections (humans AND the other benign races).

Paragon Shepard says that he will not allow fear to compromise who he is when tempted by the Illusive Man to preserve the Collector Base, and destroys it.

Paragon Shepard repeatedly chooses not to kill or destroy when there are other options, and counsel's his friends to do the same.

When faced with a difficult choice like rewriting or destroying the Heretic Geth, a Paragon Shepard doesn't get lost in the details ... he knows who he is and acts accordingly. Thus, my Paragon Shepard takes the compassionate, Life-affirming path, and chooses to rewrite the Heretic Geth, for better, or worse. Whatever the outcome, he is true to himself.

[d1sciple]

remember that the ME3 demos and vid are of their default canon. just like when you start ME2 with no import it gives you a predetermined canon, one which imo is slightly more renegade than paragon, im guessing the default ME3 canon sees the Geth surviving. guessing which option that is is harder.

[008Zulu]

Don't worry about tomorrow's problems today. Yeah re-writing makes them stronger, but before you have to deal with them (if you have to that is), they would make a powerful ally because our goals are the same.

[Protoman216]

Call it what you will, those Geth came to their conclusion on their own. If the Geth want to be seen as a real species
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this line is false the geth are robots therefore not a species the cylons werent a species and they were created the same way doesnt matter which bsg series you watch either