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[Ratsneve]

Let's see if I can get this done properly...  I've just started a second time through DAO.  My principle goal is for the character to become Queen.  I read that this was possible in a Character Build guide but have found no other discussion of it so far.  The PC is Female Human Noble ROGUE.  We just finished killing the Ogre at Ostagar and are camped before finishing travel to Lothering with Morrigan.

I have never put so much personal effort into any recent years RPG.

Can you point me to all the ins and outs to becoming Queen successfully please so I don't make mistakes.  Unless I am missunderstanding the terminology used I need to warm Alistair to the PC and not harden him from the PC.  In doing this there may be necessary character traits I need to level him up in too.  I really am not going to replay DAO again since ME2 is already out and there are other games too.

Thank you.

[beelzeybob]

Hardening Alistair will make him a better king, and he will be more willing to take the throne.



As a sidenote if you can still become queen without romancing him. There will be an option at the landsmeet, and in the epilogue you will end up with a lot of ruling power.



If you romance him, you will only become a princess-consort.

[ejoslin]

13eelzebub wrote...

Hardening Alistair will make him a better king, and he will be more willing to take the throne.

As a sidenote if you can still become queen without romancing him. There will be an option at the landsmeet, and in the epilogue you will end up with a lot of ruling power.

If you romance him, you will only become a princess-consort.

No matter what, you will only become princess-consort.  However, whether you're viewed as the ruler or as the king's beloved bride depends on whether he was ever romanced.

[Ratsneve]

Okay, I'm getting confused now... in the first play through (the PC was a Mage so the question of Queen never came up) Alistair ended up sacrificing himself to kill the Archdemogogue(?). I assume I need to avoid that path if I'm going to become a princess-consort?

It sounds like you are saying that there is no game ending where the PC marries Alistair and thus becomes Queen and lives happily ever after? That would mean that this brief note in the guide I referred to was in error?

Is there any plot guide anywhere that spells all of this out for me? How about the official hard copy players guide?

[ejoslin]

No, your PC can marry Alistair if a Noble Human Female. But the official title you get is Princess-Consort. However, you are viewed as the ruler only if you have never romanced him. If you have romanced him, either currently or broken up with him, you are viewed as his beloved bride.

You have to accept a bit of a distasteful offer later in the game in order for you both to live.

Edit: I have done this ending a few times.  Once when my PC had dumped him, once in full romance, and a few more times when she had never romanced him.  Just have high coercion skill.  Also, at the landsmeet, say you will rule by his side.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:45 .

[Ramante]

You can become queen and live happily ever after. You just have to make sure both of you survive (accept the ritual Morrigan offers).

When you tell Alistair you want to talk about something personal after you slept with him, you can choose 'where do you see this going between us?' or something like that. I always ask that right before the landsmeet and I choose the 'I won't let you go whatever happens' (again something like that). He will agree with you, I'm not sure this is really needed, but I always do it.

[Raiynsong]

I was a human noble rogue, Alistair was at love with me. We did the ritual, thus both survived. I was married to Alistair. Was thrown a bit at the end where he asked me was I was doing after the battle. I didn't harden him but it wasn't hard to convince him to be king because I had high persuade. I was a little miffed at the dialog after the landsmeet. Instead of him saying "ooh, we;re in love and you want to marry me" he acted pissed off about it. but he redeemed himself a little later. The epilogue states that we travel together as the king tours the country, so I guess that's happily ever after.



Frankly, I think if you're in love and end up together at the end he ought to be a little more romantic about it. In fact, after you're in love, he pretty much talks to every one else and ignores you, unless you flirt with someone else...

[ejoslin]

Ramante wrote...

You can become queen and live happily ever after. You just have to make sure both of you survive (accept the ritual Morrigan offers).
When you tell Alistair you want to talk about something personal after you slept with him, you can choose 'where do you see this going between us?' or something like that. I always ask that right before the landsmeet and I choose the 'I won't let you go whatever happens' (again something like that). He will agree with you, I'm not sure this is really needed, but I always do it.

It is NOT needed.  The only things that are needed is that Alistair is at high approval (91+ I think, 100 is safest), the Goldanna quest is done, and that you choose at the Landsmeet to rule by his side.  Oh, and the ritual of course.  I prefer the ending where it's a political marriage only, in truth.  

Edit: And I am not sure you even need to have done his personal quest.  WOW!  Another excuse to do another HNF playthrough -- to test that one.

Modifié par ejoslin, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:49 .

[Ratsneve]

ejoslin wrote...

13eelzebub wrote...

Hardening Alistair will make him a better king, and he will be more willing to take the throne.

As a sidenote if you can still become queen without romancing him. There will be an option at the landsmeet, and in the epilogue you will end up with a lot of ruling power.

If you romance him, you will only become a princess-consort.

No matter what, you will only become princess-consort.  However, whether you're viewed as the ruler or as the king's beloved bride depends on whether he was ever romanced.

You are saying that the game only goes so far as become a Princess-Consort but is not taken to the point of Queen because Alistair is the only one (other then the PC) who must sacrifice himself to kill the Archdemogogue(?).
Does that mean that the current 'queen' remains Queen?
You can see why I need to find a plot guide on this unless you think I'm going to play the game over and over again.  What a masterful guide that would be to show the various PC starts branching out to the various PC endings.

[Ramante]

Raiynsong wrote...

I was a human noble rogue, Alistair was at love with me. We did the ritual, thus both survived. I was married to Alistair. Was thrown a bit at the end where he asked me was I was doing after the battle. 

When he asked me what I wanted after the battle, I told him I would stay with him and did not need anything else. I got a 'what more could a girl want then marrying me.' sort of response from him. And I said I would stay with him he agreed since we would be busy with the wedding stuff.
So it is really about your own response I think.

EDIT: Anora will not remain queen. Alistair will say at the landsmeet that she can only stay queen if he dies, and since you want to marry him that's not going to happen. (if you play your cards right)

Modifié par Ramante, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:55 .

[ejoslin]

Ratsneve wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

13eelzebub wrote...

Hardening Alistair will make him a better king, and he will be more willing to take the throne.

As a sidenote if you can still become queen without romancing him. There will be an option at the landsmeet, and in the epilogue you will end up with a lot of ruling power.

If you romance him, you will only become a princess-consort.

No matter what, you will only become princess-consort.  However, whether you're viewed as the ruler or as the king's beloved bride depends on whether he was ever romanced.

You are saying that the game only goes so far as become a Princess-Consort but is not taken to the point of Queen because Alistair is the only one (other then the PC) who must sacrifice himself to kill the Archdemogogue(?).
Does that mean that the current 'queen' remains Queen?
You can see why I need to find a plot guide on this unless you think I'm going to play the game over and over again.  What a masterful guide that would be to show the various PC starts branching out to the various PC endings.

No, don't read anything more into this than what I am saying.  The ONLY ending for the Gray Warden when marrying Alistair is the title of Princess-Consort.  She is not the queen, though she is referred to as queen by Alistair repeatedly.  Just not in the epilogue card at the end.  This has nothing at all to do with whether Alistair is in love or just at friendly.

In order to marry Alistair, no one can die to the archdemon.  If Alistair dies, Anora remains queen.  If the warden dies, you have a nice funeral and Alistair is king and gives your eulogy.  In order to not die, you need to take Morrigan up on her offer.

[SurelyForth]

Edit: And I am not sure you even need to have done his personal quest. WOW! Another excuse to do another HNF playthrough -- to test that one.

Not needed. I forgot to do his personal quest before heading over to the Landsmeet and was able to name myself queen with no problems. I was at 100 Adore, so he didn't say that he liked the idea, but that was the only difference between that and doing the quest first (well, besides him being unhardened).

[ejoslin]

SurelyForth wrote...

Edit: And I am not sure you even need to have done his personal quest. WOW! Another excuse to do another HNF playthrough -- to test that one.

Not needed. I forgot to do his personal quest before heading over to the Landsmeet and was able to name myself queen with no problems. I was at 100 Adore, so he didn't say that he liked the idea, but that was the only difference between that and doing the quest first (well, besides him being unhardened).

I still have to test 100 warm!  That actually can make a difference (I can think of one place where it does in regards to Zevran).

[Ratsneve]

Okay, I remember about the ritual. It was turned down in that first game but the PC was Elf too.
I thought 'hardening' was negative in the like/dislike score?
I haven't picked up Alistair's personal quest yet.
After Lothering I'm going to play RTO I think. That's where it first fits into the game. Can this DLC affect the romance...the ending?
Interesting...I remember one other Warden in the ending battle who could have made the sacrifice except he was killed... Hmmm... maybe there will be a connection between the ritual and him?
It sounds like there is no reason to buy the guide--that this sort of end-game plotting is not in the guide?

Modifié par Ratsneve, 31 janvier 2010 - 09:20 .

[Monica21]

Hardening is not a negative. He'll talk to you about it the next time you talk to him. (Which in my case was in the Pearl when I accidentally clicked him, and we're having this serious conversation and all I can see is the door. *sigh*)



RtO has no effect on the romance. You probably get a positive from him at some point, but when I played I was already at 100.

[Posioned]

ejoslin wrote...

No matter what, you will only become princess-consort.  However, whether you're viewed as the ruler or as the king's beloved bride depends on whether he was ever romanced.

Hmm. With my HNF who was in love with Alistair. The epilogue plainly stated she was his Queen-Consort. Not princess.

[nos_astra]

There was a very interesting post somewhere on the forum that cleared the title issue.



princess-consort=queen-consort=queen married to the ruling king

[Thor Rand Al]

Basically it goes like this or this is how I've done it... Romance him, harden him when it comes to the dialogue after his sister visit, (make sure you pick the everyone's out for themselves dialogue or he won't be hardened n make sure you stick with it cause he will ask if thats what you meant). When you go bk to camp (I had him at 100% adore) if you initiated the tent scene he will make a statement about you being the only woman he's ever slept with n if he has his way you'll be the last... If you didn't initiate the tent scene he will at camp after his sister's quest... But you won't get you're the only woman conversation (he should be at love if your romancing him when this is all said n done)... When the landsmeet comes up n you're asked who to chose to rule pick the dialogue Alistair will n I'll rule beside him... After the landsmeet he comes to you n starts a conversation that goes something like "So... strange story," he'll get into the heir conversation you got a few options to choose from I always go with not for lack of trying... When it comes to Morrigan's ritual take it, convince Alistair to do it, it's your choice whether you tell him the truth (I always do but my persuade skill is maxed n I have very high cunning). At the end when you fight the archdemon no warden dies n you can choose which dialogue option you want for your wedding present/boon... You live happily ever after (or so we think lmao)
I've never done this without romancing Alistair or dumping him so I'm sure there's a bit of a difference how it goes

Edit spelling error lol

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 31 janvier 2010 - 10:34 .

[MOTpoetryION]

cool thanks for the thread i started a female coclend or however my last name is spelled just for this to happen : )

edit and i dont care what tital is if im with him and he is king dammmit im queen in my book

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 31 janvier 2010 - 10:37 .

[ejoslin]

Posioned wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

No matter what, you will only become princess-consort.  However, whether you're viewed as the ruler or as the king's beloved bride depends on whether he was ever romanced.

Hmm. With my HNF who was in love with Alistair. The epilogue plainly stated she was his Queen-Consort. Not princess.

Then you are modded.  There IS a mod out there which changes the epilogue cards.  But in the vanilla game, it says princess-consort no matter what.  If you'd like, I can dredge up screen shots.

[Monica21]

I hope this doesn't derail the subject for too long but, how is it that Anora is and was the Queen after marriage, and yet the PC is not?

[MOTpoetryION]

oh you will be queen because i said so : )

[Thor Rand Al]

Monica21 wrote...

I hope this doesn't derail the subject for too long but, how is it that Anora is and was the Queen after marriage, and yet the PC is not?

Good question n I wish I knew but my pc doesn't really care... She's married n in love with Alistair, Alistair's King cause thats what it seemed like he wanted anyways n hopefully someday down the road maybe the pitterpatter of lil feet are being heard lol

[Addai]

Monica21 wrote...

I hope this doesn't derail the subject for too long but, how is it that Anora is and was the Queen after marriage, and yet the PC is not?

In feudal societies you could have either a reigning queen (queen regnant) or a queen consort.  In the game you become queen by marrying a reigning king, rather than inheriting a throne or being appointed yourself, so you're queen consort.  Probably better all around since the Anora thing didn't work out well and you are going to die young anyway.

Modifié par Addai67, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:44 .