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[Addai]

Posioned wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

No matter what, you will only become princess-consort.  However, whether you're viewed as the ruler or as the king's beloved bride depends on whether he was ever romanced.

Hmm. With my HNF who was in love with Alistair. The epilogue plainly stated she was his Queen-Consort. Not princess.

Are you sure?  My ending slide said Princess-Consort, though Alistair introduced her as the future queen.

[Nirvana_Dest]

My character was Human Mage with maxed coercion. Alistair was not hardened. We were in love and supported Anora for queen then switched sides and supported Alistair and passed the very high coercion check to convince him to take the throne and let me rule at his side.

[Addai]

Nirvana_Dest wrote...

My character was Human Mage with maxed coercion. Alistair was not hardened. We were in love and supported Anora for queen then switched sides and supported Alistair and passed the very high coercion check to convince him to take the throne and let me rule at his side.

What?!  Never heard of anyone but a Human Noble Female becoming queen.  That's new on me.

[Ratsneve]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

I hope this doesn't derail the subject for too long but, how is it that Anora is and was the Queen after marriage, and yet the PC is not?

Good question n I wish I knew but my pc doesn't really care... She's married n in love with Alistair, Alistair's King cause thats what it seemed like he wanted anyways n hopefully someday down the road maybe the pitterpatter of lil feet are being heard lol

Yes, I'll go along with all of that.  I think the problem is two fold.  One is that even though Anora is Queen she does not have the bloodline and Alistair (unfortunately for him) does.  If Alistair lives and becomes King then his wife may be Queen in name only but not in title?

I wonder how these titles/this subject plays out in present day England?

I'm interested in this side thread...  As for the main thread I wonder if getting and keeping Alistair liking Elissa Cousland or the love affair at 100% is the next challenge?  For instance, if there is even one point of negativity does that make 100% impossible?

And related to this are gifts--no?  I need to find a Gift Guide so I can not only play out Alistair properly but also other NPCs properly in the game.  I have found a vintage wine and a thick bracelet so far--who are the right NPCs to get them and/or does it matter at all?

Modifié par Ratsneve, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:42 .

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Nirvana_Dest wrote...

My character was Human Mage with maxed coercion. Alistair was not hardened. We were in love and supported Anora for queen then switched sides and supported Alistair and passed the very high coercion check to convince him to take the throne and let me rule at his side.

What?!  Never heard of anyone but a Human Noble Female becoming queen.  That's new on me.

It's not possible.  This is also from a mod.  I think the OP was asking for help on the vanilla game, not on games modded to allow anyone to become queen, modded to change the ending slides, whatever.  I know many people prefer those endings, and more power to you on that (I like the darker endings you get with the tough choices, but that's me I suppose), but it's not helpful when people are asking for advice.

Edit: And Addai67, I hope you know this is NOT directed at you.  You're awesome and all  I'm just being lazy by quoting you too!

Modifié par ejoslin, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:42 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

It's not possible.  This is also from a mod.  I think the OP was asking for help on the vanilla game, not on games modded to allow anyone to become queen, modded to change the ending slides, whatever.  I know many people prefer those endings, and more power to you on that (I like the darker endings you get with the tough choices, but that's me I suppose), but it's not helpful when people are asking for advice.

Edit: And Addai67, I hope you know this is NOT directed at you.  You're awesome and all 

Heh, no, I was just flummoxed.  We don't use mods so my experience is vanilla, but I learn new things about this game all the time so I didn't want to say it was impossible.

Modifié par Addai67, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:44 .

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

I thought that Anora was killed if Alistair lives that she was only kept alive while he fought the Archdemon in case he died then she would be handed over the throne. I figured thats why when she asked why he would let her live, and he told her he would only let her live for now

[ejoslin]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

I thought that Anora was killed if Alistair lives that she was only kept alive while he fought the Archdemon in case he died then she would be handed over the throne. I figured thats why when she asked why he would let her live, and he told her he would only let her live for now

It never says what happens to Anora at the end if she isn't queen.  It would make sense to keep her alive I suppose until a new heir is appointed.  But you'd think that would happen quickly.  Fergus Cousland would make more sense as an heir than Anora (*grin* let the fights begin).

[Monica21]

Ratsneve wrote...
Yes, I'll go along with all of that.  I think the problem is two fold.  One is that even though Anora is Queen she does not have the bloodline and Alistair (unfortunately for him) does.  If Alistair lives and becomes King then his wife may be Queen in name only but not in title?
I wonder how these titles/this subject plays out in present day England?
I'm interested in this side thread...  As for the main thread I wonder if getting and keeping Alistair liking Elissa Cousland or the love affair at 100% is the next challenge?  For instance, if there is even one point of negativity does that make 100% impossible?

Now that I think about it, Queen Elizabeth's husband is Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburough. I presume though, that he does not have the title of King because he was not born to it. Queen Elizabeth's parents were King George IV and Queen Elizabeth (yes, I looked it up).

Just making an assumption based on what I can deduct, the title of King would not be given to one who married a ruling Queen. At that point I believe he would technically hold authority over the Queen even though he married into it. And as it is, if the Queen dies her oldest son takes the throne, not her husband.

As for what that means for the fictional Ferelden, who knows? Perhaps Loghain was able to influence the nobles and allow the title of Queen to Anora. Maybe Anora only took the title of Queen after Calian's death. Even in present day UK though, an unrecognized bastard would not be heir to the throne. There was another thread not long ago about the difference between recognized and unrecognized bastards.

[Ratsneve]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...]
I thought that Anora was killed if Alistair lives that she was only kept alive while he fought the Archdemon in case he died then she would be handed over the throne. I figured thats why when she asked why he would let her live, and he told her he would only let her live for now

I wouldn't be surprised if that is a correct option if Alistair lives because in my first play-through Anora seemed to be a pretty scheming double-crosser and again too she does not hold the bloodline.  She only ends up queen when there is nothing left for the realm.  ??

Modifié par Ratsneve, 01 février 2010 - 12:08 .

[Thor Rand Al]

Ratsneve wrote...
  As for the main thread I wonder if getting and keeping Alistair liking Elissa Cousland or the love affair at 100% is the next challenge?  For instance, if there is even one point of negativity does that make 100% impossible?

And related to this are gifts--no?  I need to find a Gift Guide so I can not only play out Alistair properly but also other NPCs properly in the game.  I have found a vintage wine and a thick bracelet so far--who are the right NPCs to get them and/or does it matter at all?

If you do get a negative with him just give him a gift or if you still have certain conversation's left like being a templar or talk about the Grey wardens it will always put his approval bk up... I've never lost any influence with Alistair but my pc always tries to do the right thing...

As far as gifts I know there's a link somewhere, just not sure what it is but here's a list of what Alistair likes...
Alistair's Mother's Amulet
Black Runestone
Duncan's shield (which you won't be able to access until after you rescue the Queen)
Statuette's ( he likes statues n there's 4 different 1's in the game)
White Runestone


The vintage wine goes to Oghren, as far as the bracelettes n other jewelery well Morrigan does like silver lol


Just found a link for gifts,
http://faqs.ign.com/.../1057577p1.html

I know there's another link too, just don't remember where lol

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

ejoslin wrote...

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

I thought that Anora was killed if Alistair lives that she was only kept alive while he fought the Archdemon in case he died then she would be handed over the throne. I figured thats why when she asked why he would let her live, and he told her he would only let her live for now

It never says what happens to Anora at the end if she isn't queen.  It would make sense to keep her alive I suppose until a new heir is appointed.  But you'd think that would happen quickly.  Fergus Cousland would make more sense as an heir than Anora (*grin* let the fights begin).

I know its not any where in the ending, but when you make Alistair queen and Anora refuses to back down he tells them to put her in the tower but to keep her a live until he comes back from killing the archdemon. She asks him why he would still give her the crown and let her live and he then tells her IF he dies she can have the crown and be kept alive, but if he lives he would take the crown. I just assumed that meant if he lived that she would be killed since she refused to support him as king and wouldnt drop her title.

[ejoslin]

Ratsneve wrote...

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...]
I thought that Anora was killed if Alistair lives that she was only kept alive while he fought the Archdemon in case he died then she would be handed over the throne. I figured thats why when she asked why he would let her live, and he told her he would only let her live for now

I wouldn't be surprised if that is a correct option if Alistair lives because in my first play-through Anora seemed to be a pretty scheming double-crosser and again too she does not hold the bloodline.  She only ends up queen when there is nothing left for the realm.  ??

Marrying a male Cousland cements her claim though.  Irrelevant to a female playthrough, but even Anora understands that a marrying a Cousland gives her claim to throne legitimacy.

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Ratsneve wrote...
  As for the main thread I wonder if getting and keeping Alistair liking Elissa Cousland or the love affair at 100% is the next challenge?  For instance, if there is even one point of negativity does that make 100% impossible?

And related to this are gifts--no?  I need to find a Gift Guide so I can not only play out Alistair properly but also other NPCs properly in the game.  I have found a vintage wine and a thick bracelet so far--who are the right NPCs to get them and/or does it matter at all?

If you do get a negative with him just give him a gift or if you still have certain conversation's left like being a templar or talk about the Grey wardens it will always put his approval bk up... I've never lost any influence with Alistair but my pc always tries to do the right thing...

As far as gifts I know there's a link somewhere, just not sure what it is but here's a list of what Alistair likes...
Alistair's Mother's Amulet
Black Runestone
Duncan's shield (which you won't be able to access until after you rescue the Queen)
Statuette's ( he likes statues n there's 4 different 1's in the game)
White Runestone


The vintage wine goes to Oghren, as far as the bracelettes n other jewelery well Morrigan does like silver lol


Just found a link for gifts,
http://faqs.ign.com/.../1057577p1.html

I know there's another link too, just don't remember where lol

Just google Dragon Age Wiki. They have a list for all the gifts and who prefers them.

[SurelyForth]

As for what that means for the fictional Ferelden, who knows? Perhaps Loghain was able to influence the nobles and allow the title of Queen to Anora. Maybe Anora only took the title of Queen after Calian's death. Even in present day UK though, an unrecognized bastard would not be heir to the throne. There was another thread not long ago about the difference between recognized and unrecognized bastards.

From the discussion the male HN can have with Anora when discussing getting married, I got the impression that she was queen consort while Cailan was alive, which is why she will only offer the PC Cousland king consort. It also sounds like it was a choice she could make, but I wouldn't swear to it.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 01 février 2010 - 12:12 .

[Thor Rand Al]

ejoslin wrote...

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

I thought that Anora was killed if Alistair lives that she was only kept alive while he fought the Archdemon in case he died then she would be handed over the throne. I figured thats why when she asked why he would let her live, and he told her he would only let her live for now

It never says what happens to Anora at the end if she isn't queen.  It would make sense to keep her alive I suppose until a new heir is appointed.  But you'd think that would happen quickly.  Fergus Cousland would make more sense as an heir than Anora (*grin* let the fights begin).

There is an ending where it does say that Anora is uncomfortable about you n Alistair or more so about Alistair:
"Alistair remained in Denerim with his love for a time, much to Queen Anora's discomfort."
But that's if you decide to stay with him in Denerim when he asks what you're going to do at the epilogue.

[Monica21]

SurelyForth wrote...

As for what that means for the fictional Ferelden, who knows? Perhaps Loghain was able to influence the nobles and allow the title of Queen to Anora. Maybe Anora only took the title of Queen after Calian's death. Even in present day UK though, an unrecognized bastard would not be heir to the throne. There was another thread not long ago about the difference between recognized and unrecognized bastards.

From the discussion the male HN can have with Anora when discussing getting married, I got the impression that she was queen consort while Cailan was alive, which is why she will only offer the PC Cousland king consort. It also sounds like it was a choice she could make, but I wouldn't swear to it.

Which is fair, but still makes me wonder why the title difference between Anora and the female PC, if the female marries Alistair.

[Monica21]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

I thought that Anora was killed if Alistair lives that she was only kept alive while he fought the Archdemon in case he died then she would be handed over the throne. I figured thats why when she asked why he would let her live, and he told her he would only let her live for now

It never says what happens to Anora at the end if she isn't queen.  It would make sense to keep her alive I suppose until a new heir is appointed.  But you'd think that would happen quickly.  Fergus Cousland would make more sense as an heir than Anora (*grin* let the fights begin).

There is an ending where it does say that Anora is uncomfortable about you n Alistair or more so about Alistair:
"Alistair remained in Denerim with his love for a time, much to Queen Anora's discomfort."
But that's if you decide to stay with him in Denerim when he asks what you're going to do at the epilogue.

I chalk that up to a glitch. That epilogue card doesn't refer to Alistair as King, and Anora is definitely not Queen at that time.

[Thor Rand Al]

Monica21 wrote...
I chalk that up to a glitch. That epilogue card doesn't refer to Alistair as King, and Anora is definitely not Queen at that time.

Saying Anora's Queen I thinks the glitch lol cause I've made Alistair king n it does say that my pc married King Alistair.

[MOTpoetryION]

WHAT im going to die young? na huh i got my money on the old bugger i left alive to do more reserch in wardens peek : P

[ejoslin]

Monica21 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

As for what that means for the fictional Ferelden, who knows? Perhaps Loghain was able to influence the nobles and allow the title of Queen to Anora. Maybe Anora only took the title of Queen after Calian's death. Even in present day UK though, an unrecognized bastard would not be heir to the throne. There was another thread not long ago about the difference between recognized and unrecognized bastards.

From the discussion the male HN can have with Anora when discussing getting married, I got the impression that she was queen consort while Cailan was alive, which is why she will only offer the PC Cousland king consort. It also sounds like it was a choice she could make, but I wouldn't swear to it.

Which is fair, but still makes me wonder why the title difference between Anora and the female PC, if the female marries Alistair.

Doesn't the male human noble become prince-consort?  I'm almost positive he does, unless modded of course.  But again, if you never romance Alistair, it is very clear, despite the title, who really rules the realm.  I mean, THE best ending card, in my opinion, is if the male human noble marries Anora (best for Ferelden at least), but it's really good as well for a female human noble to marry Alistair for purely political reasons.

[ejoslin]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Monica21 wrote...
I chalk that up to a glitch. That epilogue card doesn't refer to Alistair as King, and Anora is definitely not Queen at that time.

Saying Anora's Queen I thinks the glitch lol cause I've made Alistair king n it does say that my pc married King Alistair.

That is on a different card, though.  

[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

As for what that means for the fictional Ferelden, who knows? Perhaps Loghain was able to influence the nobles and allow the title of Queen to Anora. Maybe Anora only took the title of Queen after Calian's death. Even in present day UK though, an unrecognized bastard would not be heir to the throne. There was another thread not long ago about the difference between recognized and unrecognized bastards.

From the discussion the male HN can have with Anora when discussing getting married, I got the impression that she was queen consort while Cailan was alive, which is why she will only offer the PC Cousland king consort. It also sounds like it was a choice she could make, but I wouldn't swear to it.

Which is fair, but still makes me wonder why the title difference between Anora and the female PC, if the female marries Alistair.

Doesn't the male human noble become prince-consort?  I'm almost positive he does, unless modded of course.  But again, if you never romance Alistair, it is very clear, despite the title, who really rules the realm.  I mean, THE best ending card, in my opinion, is if the male human noble marries Anora (best for Ferelden at least), but it's really good as well for a female human noble to marry Alistair for purely political reasons.

He might be, but I haven't played a male character. It would make the most sense since the Mac Tir line becomes the official ruling family. I've also heard that the best ending for Ferelden is for the male to marry Anora, but again, still haven't played that ending. So many different play throughs for me.

And I know it's a tiny point, but I still can't figure how Anora got the Queen title when she married a Theirin and the PC didn't.

[Thor Rand Al]

Monica21 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

As for what that means for the fictional Ferelden, who knows? Perhaps Loghain was able to influence the nobles and allow the title of Queen to Anora. Maybe Anora only took the title of Queen after Calian's death. Even in present day UK though, an unrecognized bastard would not be heir to the throne. There was another thread not long ago about the difference between recognized and unrecognized bastards.

From the discussion the male HN can have with Anora when discussing getting married, I got the impression that she was queen consort while Cailan was alive, which is why she will only offer the PC Cousland king consort. It also sounds like it was a choice she could make, but I wouldn't swear to it.

Which is fair, but still makes me wonder why the title difference between Anora and the female PC, if the female marries Alistair.

Doesn't the male human noble become prince-consort?  I'm almost positive he does, unless modded of course.  But again, if you never romance Alistair, it is very clear, despite the title, who really rules the realm.  I mean, THE best ending card, in my opinion, is if the male human noble marries Anora (best for Ferelden at least), but it's really good as well for a female human noble to marry Alistair for purely political reasons.

He might be, but I haven't played a male character. It would make the most sense since the Mac Tir line becomes the official ruling family. I've also heard that the best ending for Ferelden is for the male to marry Anora, but again, still haven't played that ending. So many different play throughs for me.

And I know it's a tiny point, but I still can't figure how Anora got the Queen title when she married a Theirin and the PC didn't.

For human male noble who marries Anora it does say something about if the two would quit arguing/fighting on who rules etc... I don't remember n unfortunately I lost all my screenshots when I played male noble but it sounds like that my male pc is trying to put Anora in the shadows on ruling so to speak, not the way she wanted it to where my pc was in the shadows n she ruled lmao...

[ejoslin]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

For human male noble who marries Anora it does say something about if the two would quit arguing/fighting on who rules etc... I don't remember n unfortunately I lost all my screenshots when I played male noble but it sounds like that my male pc is trying to put Anora in the shadows on ruling so to speak, not the way she wanted it to where my pc was in the shadows n she ruled lmao...

That's why I like the female human noble ending if you've never romanced Alistair -- the people see you as their ruler and Alistair lets you do what you want.  No being in the shadows in that ending!