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[KainrycKarr]

thisisme8 wrote...

Didn't Tali say at some point that they are considering her for Admiral?

And she hated it. Tali'Zorah vas Normandy

[KainrycKarr]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Mak89 wrote...

It will be interesting to see how they handle the characters in ME3. I mean how are they gonna do that? I'd rather have no new characters and just create a sqaud out of the ones you had in ME1 and ME2, but if your whole team dies or 4 die...how are they gonna do that?

Good question. They cant have some players start out with almost no one (not even Shepard), while others start out with so many of the old team.

As much as i hate the thought, i wager that ME3 will be set decades, if not centuries after ME2. Just look at the Reaper Fleet in the end. They've not even reached the milky way, yet, and they don't look like they're moving fast.

It might be that we only get to read a few dossiers on what happened to the old crew (including Shepard), while being forced to start with a new one, maybe a descendant (which would give some point to importing old saves)

We already know this won't happen, Bioware has stated Mass Effect 1-3 is about Shepard, and Shepard is the PC in ME3. This is known information.

[ManBearPig91]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Mak89 wrote...

It will be interesting to see how they handle the characters in ME3. I mean how are they gonna do that? I'd rather have no new characters and just create a sqaud out of the ones you had in ME1 and ME2, but if your whole team dies or 4 die...how are they gonna do that?

Good question. They cant have some players start out with almost no one (not even Shepard), while others start out with so many of the old team.

As much as i hate the thought, i wager that ME3 will be set decades, if not centuries after ME2. Just look at the Reaper Fleet in the end. They've not even reached the milky way, yet, and they don't look like they're moving fast.

It might be that we only get to read a few dossiers on what happened to the old crew (including Shepard), while being forced to start with a new one, maybe a descendant (which would give some point to importing old saves)

Put on your flame resistant sunglasses friend...

[Prolefeed]

LundyFaber wrote...

Tali has to be in ME3..her name is Tali vas Normandy now...I can't see how they couldn't put her in

I got the impression Quarians change their names to whatever ship they live on. Tali was living on the Normandy, thus "vas Normandy." I suspect if she rejoined the Flotilla they would just change her name back to whatever ship she was crew on.

[KainrycKarr]

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Mak89 wrote...

It will be interesting to see how they handle the characters in ME3. I mean how are they gonna do that? I'd rather have no new characters and just create a sqaud out of the ones you had in ME1 and ME2, but if your whole team dies or 4 die...how are they gonna do that?

Good question. They cant have some players start out with almost no one (not even Shepard), while others start out with so many of the old team.

As much as i hate the thought, i wager that ME3 will be set decades, if not centuries after ME2. Just look at the Reaper Fleet in the end. They've not even reached the milky way, yet, and they don't look like they're moving fast.

It might be that we only get to read a few dossiers on what happened to the old crew (including Shepard), while being forced to start with a new one, maybe a descendant (which would give some point to importing old saves)

Put on your flame resistant sunglasses friend...

No need for flames. We already know that you play Shepard in ME3.

[Corti78]

Prolefeed wrote...

LundyFaber wrote...

Tali has to be in ME3..her name is Tali vas Normandy now...I can't see how they couldn't put her in

I got the impression Quarians change their names to whatever ship they live on. Tali was living on the Normandy, thus "vas Normandy." I suspect if she rejoined the Flotilla they would just change her name back to whatever ship she was crew on.

Indeed. Their last name changes to whatever ship they are assigned to at the time. Like Admiral Quib Quib or whatever, you actually ask him why he doesn't move to another ship because of the name.

[Spam Eelam]

I think variable squaddies isn't impossible to do depending on save imports. If Tali or Garrus died in someone's game they could be replaced with say, Jacob and Miranda. Obviously that would call for potentially redundant voice work but I don't know if there's a way around that.



That said, Tali and Garrus aren't going anywhere in my saves.

[LundyFaber]

Corti78 wrote...

Prolefeed wrote...

LundyFaber wrote...

Tali has to be in ME3..her name is Tali vas Normandy now...I can't see how they couldn't put her in

I got the impression Quarians change their names to whatever ship they live on. Tali was living on the Normandy, thus "vas Normandy." I suspect if she rejoined the Flotilla they would just change her name back to whatever ship she was crew on.

Indeed. Their last name changes to whatever ship they are assigned to at the time. Like Admiral Quib Quib or whatever, you actually ask him why he doesn't move to another ship because of the name.

yeah, i understand that, but I can't see tali leaving the ship...especially after you got in her pants..er, helmet

[unclee]

LundyFaber wrote...

Corti78 wrote...

Prolefeed wrote...

LundyFaber wrote...

Tali has to be in ME3..her name is Tali vas Normandy now...I can't see how they couldn't put her in

I got the impression Quarians change their names to whatever ship they live on. Tali was living on the Normandy, thus "vas Normandy." I suspect if she rejoined the Flotilla they would just change her name back to whatever ship she was crew on.

Indeed. Their last name changes to whatever ship they are assigned to at the time. Like Admiral Quib Quib or whatever, you actually ask him why he doesn't move to another ship because of the name.

yeah, i understand that, but I can't see tali leaving the ship...especially after you got in her pants..er, helmet

I'll admit, I laughed harder than I should have.

[Fulgrim88]

KainrycKarr wrote...

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Mak89 wrote...

It will be interesting to see how they handle the characters in ME3. I mean how are they gonna do that? I'd rather have no new characters and just create a sqaud out of the ones you had in ME1 and ME2, but if your whole team dies or 4 die...how are they gonna do that?

Good question. They cant have some players start out with almost no one (not even Shepard), while others start out with so many of the old team.

As much as i hate the thought, i wager that ME3 will be set decades, if not centuries after ME2. Just look at the Reaper Fleet in the end. They've not even reached the milky way, yet, and they don't look like they're moving fast.

It might be that we only get to read a few dossiers on what happened to the old crew (including Shepard), while being forced to start with a new one, maybe a descendant (which would give some point to importing old saves)

Put on your flame resistant sunglasses friend...

No need for flames. We already know that you play Shepard in ME3.

Ah, i didn't know that. I've been avoiding the ME forums of late, first because of DAO, then to avoid ME2 spoilerification;)
Still i wonder how they'll work around all that dying. They won't pull off the hightech-surgery part again, will they?

[marshalleck]

Spam Eelam wrote...

I think variable squaddies isn't impossible to do depending on save imports. If Tali or Garrus died in someone's game they could be replaced with say, Jacob and Miranda. Obviously that would call for potentially redundant voice work but I don't know if there's a way around that.

Well we already know that "redundant" voice work is going to be in ME3, unless Bioware was lying about keeping the ME1 love interests safe. Kaidan and Ashley are dead in half of people's games, but they're still going to be voiced. So that's voice work that half the player-base won't see.

Then again, no character is really redundant unless you only play the game once. Importing different games with different party permutations would mean all the characters would be explored and paying for the voice work wouldn't be a waste.

I think characters potentially dying once is not the problem. It's them potentially dying twice that starts to make things complicated. Kaidan/Ashley/Wrex could all be dead in ME1, then again in ME2, how do you account for them in ME3? You keep them out of the suicide mission.

All the ME1 & 2 squaddies could return for the final chapter.

Modifié par marshalleck, 01 février 2010 - 07:37 .

[epoch_]

After 2 games with tali and garrus by my side I will absolutely flip out if they suddenly abandon me.



That just can't happen. It wouldn't even make any sense.

[epoch_]

Spam Eelam wrote...

I think variable squaddies isn't impossible to do depending on save imports. If Tali or Garrus died in someone's game they could be replaced with say, Jacob and Miranda. Obviously that would call for potentially redundant voice work but I don't know if there's a way around that.

That said, Tali and Garrus aren't going anywhere in my saves.

Ya, the majority shouldn't be punished just because a few people aren't going to have tali/garrus in their playthroughs. That just isn't fair. We went the extra mile to make sure they're alive, we should get a little something extra. Not get them taken away from us.

[BewareTheDrow]

Screw em both. Wrex and Kaidan all the way.

[magnuskn]

It'll be a ton of extra work to include Tali and Garrus, if they potentially can be dead, but I hope they invest those resources. After all, we will have at least a new main character, for the people whose Shepard died, so we know that the at least the main character will need four VAs alone.



I fear, though, that even with Tali and Garrus being back, they won't have mayor plots for the inevitable "rallying the races to oppose the Reavers". Although they always could go the route of an absent crewmate being replaced by a new member of that race.



I *do* fear that the very modular deaths of ME2 will make any such replaceable characters arcs more generic in ME3, rather than as personal as they were in ME2. In case of Tali, the plot to gather the Quarians cannot rely on her story as an admirals daughter and hero of the Quarians.



Of course I could be surprised by BioWare. Again. After all, they are investing massive resources into the voice acting for Star Wars: The Old Republic, so I can see them doing the same for ME3. I mean, how many copies has the game already sold? Over 2 millions, IIRC?

[sliverofamoon]

I ALWAYS use Tali in my squad. The fact that she is now a LI just tickles me pink. I hope she'll be back in both capacities, and not just a lame-a** cameo, or worse, in a bodybag, for ME3. Tali is what makes the game so fun for me.

[Litos456]

It'll be a ton of extra work to include anybody, because anybody can be potentially dead.

A lot of the community disliked some things in ME2, and blamed the lazyness. Bioware isn't stupid, and I trust them to realize it and fix their mistakes in the 3rd one. Despite that, they shouldn't disappoint us by killing off Tali and Garrus. They, at this point, are the most developed characters in the game, while the rest aren't so much. So why waste such successful characters? They won't do it.



If they do, I'll never trust Bioware again.



Tali and Garrus forever!

[InvaderErl]

magnuskn wrote...

It'll be a ton of extra work to include Tali and Garrus, if they potentially can be dead, but I hope they invest those resources. After all, we will have at least a new main character, for the people whose Shepard died, so we know that the at least the main character will need four VAs alone.

I fear, though, that even with Tali and Garrus being back, they won't have mayor plots for the inevitable "rallying the races to oppose the Reavers". Although they always could go the route of an absent crewmate being replaced by a new member of that race.

I *do* fear that the very modular deaths of ME2 will make any such replaceable characters arcs more generic in ME3, rather than as personal as they were in ME2. In case of Tali, the plot to gather the Quarians cannot rely on her story as an admirals daughter and hero of the Quarians.

Of course I could be surprised by BioWare. Again. After all, they are investing massive resources into the voice acting for Star Wars: The Old Republic, so I can see them doing the same for ME3. I mean, how many copies has the game already sold? Over 2 millions, IIRC?

The Shepard death ending is just for kicks. You can't import that save.

I said this before in the Tali thread but imo as of Mass Effect 2 Shepard/Garrus/Tali are the emotional heart of the series.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 01 février 2010 - 08:45 .

[sliverofamoon]

InvaderErl wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

It'll be a ton of extra work to include Tali and Garrus, if they potentially can be dead, but I hope they invest those resources. After all, we will have at least a new main character, for the people whose Shepard died, so we know that the at least the main character will need four VAs alone.

I fear, though, that even with Tali and Garrus being back, they won't have mayor plots for the inevitable "rallying the races to oppose the Reavers". Although they always could go the route of an absent crewmate being replaced by a new member of that race.

I *do* fear that the very modular deaths of ME2 will make any such replaceable characters arcs more generic in ME3, rather than as personal as they were in ME2. In case of Tali, the plot to gather the Quarians cannot rely on her story as an admirals daughter and hero of the Quarians.

Of course I could be surprised by BioWare. Again. After all, they are investing massive resources into the voice acting for Star Wars: The Old Republic, so I can see them doing the same for ME3. I mean, how many copies has the game already sold? Over 2 millions, IIRC?

The Shepard death ending is just for kicks. You can't import that save.

I said this before in the Tali thread but imo as of Mass Effect 2 Shepard/Garrus/Tali are the emotional heart of the series.

I agree... the involvement with Tali and Garrus, for Sheppard is intense, and the characters are SOOO well fleshed out, and involving, it would be a total shame to do away with either of them for this reason. The other love-interests just feel like flings in comparison.

[Mrxknown]

I hope that all squadmates are back in ME3. I hate seeing Liara, Ash, & Wrex on the sidelines. Wrex is fine. But Bioware needs to bring these characters back otherwise what's the point if Liara won't stop focusing on killing SB when I slept with her in the first game. Where's the relationship? No where.



Bioware needs to keep all their characters and really put effort into making the relationships match what the players went through.



The argument against is that BioWare can only do so much. My response: They told us they were doing a trilogy, we didn't tell them. They told us our choices matter, We didn't tell them. If Liara/Ash/Kaiden are just going to ignore our relationship, then why bother allowing us to do it in the first place?



So yes, Tali (lovely) and Garrus should be back in ME3. Heck. I'll even settle for having players choose which characters to recruit back and which ones to let go.

[TuringPoint]

Are dextro-amino acid based LI's just more interesting? I guess so.

[ComTrav]

Spam Eelam wrote...

I think variable squaddies isn't impossible to do depending on save imports. If Tali or Garrus died in someone's game they could be replaced with say, Jacob and Miranda. Obviously that would call for potentially redundant voice work but I don't know if there's a way around that.

That said, Tali and Garrus aren't going anywhere in my saves.

The way around redundant voice work is easy: more money for Bioware to do it!

ME2 is clearly a bigger budget and more refined product then ME1, since ME2 is so successful, they might have enough money to do everything they want in ME3.

On the other hand, investments in ME1 and 2 are about building the universe and ME intellectual property...the larger a game's budget, the harder it is to recoup through sales alone (which is part of why DLC is becoming more common.)

[Dr. Explosion]

I tried reading thru this whole thread, but all this hate for us Tali, and Garrus, fans is really annoy-gravating, so I'll add my voice to the cry for Garrus and Tali returning and then go elsewhere.





Also, I hope ALL squadmates, ME1 and ME2, return as full squaddies in ME3; It ain't broke BioWare so don't fix it