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[Railstay]

Modifié par Railstay, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:07 .

[Railstay]

I'd want to see them as cameos, but not as returning party members.



I thought I'd hate not being able to use Wrex anymore. Turns out I didn't mind at all, because they didn't just have him being a dude somewhere. All the old party members have legitimate, big reasons why they cannot join you. I was actually glad that Wrex couldn't join me because he was doing something that was very important for himself.



That sounds lame that I'd care that much about a fake character, to the point where I would willingly decline him from joining my party in order to fulfill a totally fictional obligation.

[InvaderErl]

God, if we lose Tali/Garrus and end up with Ash/Kaiden/Liara in their place.

*Shudders.

Still , I 'm hoping the higher sales for ME2 ensure our favorite Quarian/Turian make their way into the last installment as squadmates.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:09 .

[Razorsedge820]

I want them back because Garrus is my main squeeze and Tali is queen of the Normandy.

[epoch_]

Razorsedge820 wrote...

I want them back because Garrus is my main squeeze and Tali is queen of the Normandy.

lmao

[screwoffreg]

It wouldn't make sense to have Tali or Garrus leave. If you romance either, they are in love with you, so there is that. Even if you don't, Tali is now "vas Normady", meaning her home is with you and even as a female Shepherd she still is very close to you. Garrus says you are his only friend left, so where else would he go? It makes sense to have at least these two characters be consistent across the series. Unless Bioware decides to be complete jerks and blow them up in a tragic nuclear explosion in the first minutes of ME 3, I imagine they'll stay.



PS: Writers, please don't blow up Tali and Garrus in a tragic nuclear explosion!

[Giantevilhead]

The problem with Garrus is that there's really not much for him to do in a story telling point of view. With Tali, you can at least get a bunch of side quests with the Quarians and the Migrant Fleet. Garrus has no connections left with anyone. He has no loose ends anywhere. He'll just end up like a guard dog, extremely loyal and useful but not that interesting.

[Striker1246]

but of course

[Lone_Wolf_511]

Do it Bioware, they can be our C3-PO and R2D2, or our T3-M4 and HK-47, our constancy across the entire mission. This would please me.

[epoch_]

Giantevilhead wrote...

The problem with Garrus is that there's really not much for him to do in a story telling point of view. With Tali, you can at least get a bunch of side quests with the Quarians and the Migrant Fleet. Garrus has no connections left with anyone. He has no loose ends anywhere. He'll just end up like a guard dog, extremely loyal and useful but not that interesting.

The Turians have largely been unexplored. Which I'm sure will be remedied in the third installment.

[SpideyKnight]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I can see them bringing back Kaidan/Ashley too. Yes, both are potentially dead, but one is guaranteed alive, and as we see in ME2, they fill the exact same role with nearly identical dialogue.

Not everyone can be dead in any one specific ME2 playthrough, but everyone can die. So they're all potentially dead.

They might throw Kaidan and Ashley back too, giving them identical roles. The ME2 characters... not much hope, really for squadmate status imo.

This is what I was referring to.  You can see them bringing back people who are guaranteed to be dead, but not people who are possibly dead?  I don't see it.  Wrex has a legitimate reason for not going with you, Ashley/Kaiden do not and yet they don't go with you.  Who has more dialogue and is a bigger part of the story?  Wrex.  People who can die will have bigger roles than people who are guaranteed dead.  The precedence is already there.

[Faerlyte]

Giantevilhead wrote...

The problem with Garrus is that there's really not much for him to do in a story telling point of view. With Tali, you can at least get a bunch of side quests with the Quarians and the Migrant Fleet. Garrus has no connections left with anyone. He has no loose ends anywhere. He'll just end up like a guard dog, extremely loyal and useful but not that interesting.

Nothing wrong with being a loyal friend to Shepard.  I think that says more about his character than anything else - just because a person doesn't have connections or friends shouldn't make them uninteresting, especially if he's as funny in ME3 as he was in ME2. I loved having him around, especially in battle.

There's still his dad too! Bioware could easily incorporate something involving Vakarian Senior. I thought I read somewhere that we'll be visiting the turian home world in ME3? 

The fact that Garrus has nowhere else to go would make it feel extremely off if he weren't recruitable in ME3 yet survived ME2. He and Tali both have kind of been established as the ones who are always there - it wouldn't make sense for them to be alive and not return to Shepard's side, specifically in Garrus' case. What else would he be doing in the event that he's alive? He's come this far with Shepard - he's not going to back out of the final confrontation. 

[epoch_]

Faerlyte wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

The problem with Garrus is that there's really not much for him to do in a story telling point of view. With Tali, you can at least get a bunch of side quests with the Quarians and the Migrant Fleet. Garrus has no connections left with anyone. He has no loose ends anywhere. He'll just end up like a guard dog, extremely loyal and useful but not that interesting.

Nothing wrong with being a loyal friend to Shepard.  I think that says more about his character than anything else - just because a person doesn't have connections or friends shouldn't make them uninteresting, especially if he's as funny in ME3 as he was in ME2. I loved having him around, especially in battle.

There's still his dad too! Bioware could easily incorporate something involving Vakarian Senior. I thought I read somewhere that we'll be visiting the turian home world in ME3? 

The fact that Garrus has nowhere else to go would make it feel extremely off if he weren't recruitable in ME3 yet survived ME2. He and Tali both have kind of been established as the ones who are always there - it wouldn't make sense for them to be alive and not return to Shepard's side, specifically in Garrus' case. What else would he be doing in the event that he's alive? He's come this far with Shepard - he's not going to back out of the final confrontation. 

garrus: "sorry shepard, I realize that all sentient life in the galaxy is about to be annihilated, but theres this other thing I sorta have to do.

I'll talk to you later!"


edit: why doesn't my firefox spellcheck work on this forum? I can't live without it.

Modifié par epoch_, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:34 .

[Rip504]

Brains on the floor !!!! brains on the floor!!!!! head turn sideways!!!!oo sh** they are dead lol

[cpolisch]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

With that thinking Liara is the only old ME squadmate that can return. I can't see them only bring back one person. Especially her of all people. That simply wouldn't be fair to people who romanced the others.

Also, they can't all be dead. I'm not sure what the limit on die offs is but it must be at least 4 or 5 or else your shepard doesn't even make it out.

I can see them bringing back Kaidan/Ashley too. Yes, both are potentially dead, but one is guaranteed alive, and as we see in ME2, they fill the exact same role with nearly identical dialogue.

Not everyone can be dead in any one specific ME2 playthrough, but everyone can die. So they're all potentially dead.

I agree Ash/Kaidan fill the same role, doing 2 run throughs for 1 position on your squad is do-able.  Especially with all the "they are going to be important in ME3" hype.  However, doing 10 run throughs for 1 or 2 slots would be INSANE.   No way they'll let you have more than 3 or so, because that's entirely lame for those people who only got through with 3.  And alot of work that those people wouldn't experience.

[DirtyVagrant]

If they died in your ME2 playthrough then they're obviously aren't recruitable, if they survived then they are. It should be as simple as that!

[RyuAzai]

Then again as logic implies that they won't be squadmates because of their ability to die in this game.



Shepard has that same ability. Casey has said if shepard dies you won't play as 'your' shepard in ME3... So whatever that means is left up in the air.



Resource wise they are still building the main character to be fleshed out completely even if he died. I am not so sure they won't put that much time into too.



Remember in ME1 you can totally refuse to have Tali and Garrus join your crew.

[epoch_]

RyuAzai wrote...
Remember in ME1 you can totally refuse to have Tali and Garrus join your crew.

Udina tells you to bring Tali with you. You can't not have her. I think Garrus might be unavoidable as well. I think he meets you just before going up the elevator to the normandy.

[Rip504]

I deff remeber you could leave Garrus behind,Tali not so sure about...But I'm a fan...

[FsDxRAGE]

all i know is that in ME3 i AM going to build a house for Tali... been a Tali fan since November of 2007!

[Mystranna Kelteel]

SpideyKnight wrote...
Who has more dialogue and is a bigger part of the story?  Wrex.  People who can die will have bigger roles than people who are guaranteed dead.  The precedence is already there.

Erm, no. A lot of people's playthroughs don't even feature Wrex at all, so clearly he's not more important than Ashley and Kaidan.

One person is guaranteed dead between Ash and Kai, the other is guaranteed alive. There is no guaranteed alive person in ME2 among the squadmates.

[Mehow_pwn]

Yes I also share the love for Tali and Garrus altho I rather have wrex:P

[jlb524]

Tali yes!



Garrus...please no!!! I'm sick of him.

[NoUserNameHere]

Giantevilhead wrote...

The problem with Garrus is that there's really not much for him to do in a story telling point of view. With Tali, you can at least get a bunch of side quests with the Quarians and the Migrant Fleet. Garrus has no connections left with anyone. He has no loose ends anywhere. He'll just end up like a guard dog, extremely loyal and useful but not that interesting.

So, back to acting like he was in ME1?
Garrus does have those years in the Turian military to work with. Have that one girl he sparred with get involved in things for a bit. That would even help with the romance subplot.

For Tali's return, Dark Energy, Quarian connections, enough said.

[RVonE]

Sereaph502 wrote...

Bioware is smart enough to put them into ME3. They know that if they don't, they'll lose the support of a LOT of their fans, and they don't want that to happen.

Just like how they were smart to put some other favorites from ME1 in ME2. Oh wait...