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[Mox Ruuga]

Commisar_V wrote...

Eh, only if you were a complete idiot with upgrades and specialist choices.

That doesn't help you much, even if it were true. People will have save games where the "mortal" characters are dead. Wrex, Tali, whomever. And Bioware has committed to honoring that.

The fact that Tali is "mortal" already tells us something about her possible future role in ME3. Something that Talimancers are willfully ignoring. Well, not all of you. I've already seen some nitwits suggesting that Bioware make only saves that have Tali surviving be made importable. The ones where she dies, I guess, would be the same as when Shepard dies... ie. "Game Over".

The sense of entitlement and sheer misaimed fandom is staggering at times.

[yoshibb]

I like Tali and Garrus a lot, but at this point I'm pretty sick of all this love and constantly asking to bring them back. More, more, more. I saw my favorite character for two minutes this game, but people get more mad at me for complaining. Meanwhile, Tali and Garrus lovers have gotten everything they want and more, and it still seems like you guys still aren't happy about it.



Again, I want them back in the next game but this sense of entitlement and threatening Bioware is kind of ridiculous considering what you've already been given.

[Annora]

I never understood the reasoning behind killing Wrex, it's stupid. Why would you cripple your own team like that? Even a Renegade, with most of their choices being akin to a teenaged temper tantrum, isn't that stupid.

[MaynPayn]

it would have been nice with tali and garrus in your squad throughout the trilogy, making them Shepards BFs

[Mox Ruuga]

marshalleck wrote...

Then how's Mox supposed to troll?

Oh that's what it's called now. Back on the old boards, when people were angry about the ME1 LIs getting reduced roles, they were accused of wanting to play a "date simulator", and of being "single issue" fans.

I'm enjoying the double standards. There have been threats about not playing the game if Tali isn't a squaddie already. From people I seem to remember being on the "other side" when it wasn't their fetish object, whose future was in question.

[Commisar_V]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

That doesn't help you much, even if it were true. People will have save games where the "mortal" characters are dead. Wrex, Tali, whomever. And Bioware has committed to honoring that.

The fact that Tali is "mortal" already tells us something about her possible future role in ME3. Something that Talimancers are willfully ignoring. Well, not all of you. I've already seen some nitwits suggesting that Bioware make only saves that have Tali surviving be made importable. The ones where she dies, I guess, would be the same as when Shepard dies... ie. "Game Over".

The sense of entitlement and sheer misaimed fandom is staggering at times.

Forgive me, as I haven't played the first, but were you not allowed to choose which of your squadmates died in ME1? And wasn't one of them (The choices of who to allow to die) Ashley Williams? Yet she is (Or at least *can be*) in ME2, although not as a squad member.

Just because a character can die does not mean they must.

Modifié par Commisar_V, 01 février 2010 - 12:26 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

I just don't understand why Liara and Ashley/Kaidan fans keep taking out their resentment on the ME2 characters and their fans. We get it, your LI experiences sucked. That isn't really other fans' fault. How about making a nice, pro-Liara thread instead of being a troll? You don't know that they're not going to be in it, so why are you so determined to tell people that they're 'wrong' for thinking they will? Why does it matter so much to you?



Unless you're just threatened by the massive fanbase Garrus and Tali have and are afraid your -less- popular favorites will have their roles reduced for them... Which obviously isn't going to happen, since BioWare has already made promises to Kaidan/Ash/Liara fans, thus proving they're trying to make -everyone- happy.

[epoch_]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Then how's Mox supposed to troll?

Oh that's what it's called now.

Yes, thats what it's called when you deliberately enter a thread looking to invoke some sort of negative reaction. Surely you have enough control to simply not look at this thread if it offends you that much.

Modifié par epoch_, 01 février 2010 - 12:29 .

[marshalleck]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Then how's Mox supposed to troll?

Oh that's what it's called now.

What you're doing? Yeah.

I tried to ask you an honest question before, and you dodged and fed me some line about how I am "eating **** out of Bioware's ass."

Troll is as troll does.

[Annora]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
Oh that's what it's called now. Back on the old boards, when people were angry about the ME1 LIs getting reduced roles, they were accused of wanting to play a "date simulator", and of being "single issue" fans.

I'm enjoying the double standards. There have been threats about not playing the game if Tali isn't a squaddie already. From people I seem to remember being on the "other side" when it wasn't their fetish object, whose future was in question.

You are incredibly angry over something relatively harmless. I can understand where you're coming from, and I was firmly in your camp before ME2 came out, but it's better to look at it as a whole picture. Your LIs are coming back in ME3, and it'd be really nice if those who chose to, instead, have LIs in ME2 could also have them come back in the third game.

I'm not going to pout and say that I won't buy the game if it doesn't happen, I have enough different versions of Shepard to be happy with any outcome, but it would be nice to see the relationship evolve. Those who were loyal will see their relationship evolve, why can't we of the Garrus/Tali fandom have that too?

[unclee]

Commandr Bond wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Commandr Bond wrote...

somebody ****** in your coffee today?

I'm just amused at all the Talimancer entitlement issues in full view on these boards.

I think that's something to be quietly ignored, rather than addressed openly. You won't be able to change anything, and it's best when the threads don't erupt into hate posts. Nothing against you, though, I can understand where you're coming from. Just let people have their own dreams for Mass Effect 3. Personally I'm rooting for a return of both the characters, and if BioWare brings in both them and other previous squadmates, they'll truly have proven themselves to be amongst gods

On the discussion, could it be feasible for past squadmates to be downloaded as DLC for those who had them survived?

They COULD do that, though it's more a question of would they be WILLING to do that. It would be quite a bit of work just to get them in as DLC.

Honestly, I'd like to see them back in ME3. Yeah, ME is Shepard's story but it would be nice to have a couple people who've been there throughout everything. Plus, bringing them back could potentially lead to an amazingly epic and emotional canon death scene for one (or both) of them. Would be sad to see one of them die, but it would be pretty powerful stuff to see one of the characters who's been there since the beginning go down.

[KPeh]

Here's hoping for them back as squadmates. There's something said for a strong link through the entire trilogy with characters other than Shephard. It'll be emptier without them.

[yoshibb]

Commisar_V wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

That doesn't help you much, even if it were true. People will have save games where the "mortal" characters are dead. Wrex, Tali, whomever. And Bioware has committed to honoring that.

The fact that Tali is "mortal" already tells us something about her possible future role in ME3. Something that Talimancers are willfully ignoring. Well, not all of you. I've already seen some nitwits suggesting that Bioware make only saves that have Tali surviving be made importable. The ones where she dies, I guess, would be the same as when Shepard dies... ie. "Game Over".

The sense of entitlement and sheer misaimed fandom is staggering at times.

Forgive me, as I haven't played the first, but were you not allowed to choose which of your squadmates died in ME1? And wasn't one of them (The choices of who to allow to die) Ashley Williams? Yet she is (Or at least *can be*) in ME2, although not as a squad member.

Just because a character can die does not mean they must.

So you'd be completely understanding if Tali was brought back for a small cameo role where she essentially told you to ****** off?

Because that's basically what happened to all the squad members who could die in Mass Effect 1 or in the case of Liara simply a love interest. They got like 5 minute cameos, and 3/4 of them weren't exactly friendly. 

[Commisar_V]

yoshibb wrote...

So you'd be completely understanding if Tali was brought back for a small cameo role where she essentially told you to ****** off?

Because that's basically what happened to all the squad members who could die in Mass Effect 1 or in the case of Liara simply a love interest. They got like 5 minute cameos, and 3/4 of them weren't exactly friendly. 

Seeing as it's the last game for Shepard, so they say, I wouldn't be okay with it, per se, but I wouldn't be throwing a hissy fit either.

I would be definitely disappointed, though.

And my argument still invalidates Mox's claim of 'If they can die, they must.'

Modifié par Commisar_V, 01 février 2010 - 12:35 .

[epoch_]

Commisar_V wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

So you'd be completely understanding if Tali was brought back for a small cameo role where she essentially told you to ****** off?

Because that's basically what happened to all the squad members who could die in Mass Effect 1 or in the case of Liara simply a love interest. They got like 5 minute cameos, and 3/4 of them weren't exactly friendly. 

Seeing as it's the last game for Shepard, so they say, I wouldn't be okay with it, per se, but I wouldn't be throwing a hissy fit either.

I would be definitely disappointed, though.

And my argument still invalidates Mox's claim of 'If they can die, they must.'

Its best to just ignore Mox.

[epoch_]

KPeh wrote...

Here's hoping for them back as squadmates. There's something said for a strong link through the entire trilogy with characters other than Shephard. It'll be emptier without them.

Indeed. Its Shepards story, but part of shepards story is his LI.

[Barquiel]

epoch_ wrote...

Indeed. Its Shepards story, but part of shepards story is his LI.

Well, not in ME2...

[ManBearPig91]

I support this.

Garrus has been my ever faithful squaddie through the first two games, I don't want to see that change in the 3rd. Shepard needs someone he can count on, that one good buddy that's always with him.

[epoch_]

Barquiel wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Indeed. Its Shepards story, but part of shepards story is his LI.

Well, not in ME2...

You aren't really looking at the bigger picture.

[Striker1246]

GARRUS FTW!!

[yoshibb]

Commisar_V wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

So you'd be completely understanding if Tali was brought back for a small cameo role where she essentially told you to ****** off?

Because that's basically what happened to all the squad members who could die in Mass Effect 1 or in the case of Liara simply a love interest. They got like 5 minute cameos, and 3/4 of them weren't exactly friendly. 

Seeing as it's the last game for Shepard, so they say, I wouldn't be okay with it, per se, but I wouldn't be throwing a hissy fit either.

I would be definitely disappointed, though.

And my argument still invalidates Mox's claim of 'If they can die, they must.'

I have a hard time believing that a large amount of the Tali/Garrus fandom wouldn't be creating chaos on the boards if they were relegated to the role Kaiden/Ashley got. I've seen people saying they wouldn't even buy the last game if that happened.

We're just going by the pattern Bioware has set already. You can die = you get a cameo role. Garrus and Tali couldn't die so they came back as squadmates. Do I want that to happen? No, I want the fact that I saved all my squadmates to matter, I want them back. But up until this point Bioware hasn't done anything groundbreaking as far as this whole import thing goes.  

The Rachni? They'll be there in ME 3
The Council? They'll be there in ME 3
Wrex? ME3
Love Interests? ME3

Any big choice in Mass Effect had no immediate effect on the plotline of Mass Effect 2. Right now, we've got a lot of promises, but we got a lot of promises before Mass Effect 2 as well. That's why I'm a little doubtful they'll put effort into bringing back squadmates for big roles in 3 when their track record hasn't been that great. 

All I know is ME3 is last, and if they don't do all this stuff they are promising, then they will probably lose a faithful customer. 

Modifié par yoshibb, 01 février 2010 - 12:54 .

[RandomPot322]

Well, assuming all of them live, Thane'll die in a year or so, Samara's off doing her Justicar thing, and Zaeed (like anyone cares about him) is doing his merc thing. Legion probably leaves to help Geth prepare for Reaper invasion. So you have four characters with logical reasons for leaving.

That leaves Garrus, Tali, Jacob, Miranda and Jack as potentials.

Tali can become ship's engineer, making her a shipmate, but not squad. Jack can very easily go, screw this ship (if not LI).

Miranda might leave to be the TiM.

Garrus becomes a weapon specialist, so becomes like Tali.

and Jacob, well whatever.