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[bryanman112]

Tali and Garrus Rule!!! I think they were also in both to show they really matter and since they were i really connected with them more than any1 else and it will disapoint if they arent squad members in the 3rd after all youve been through

[RandomPot322]

unclee wrote...

RandomPot322 wrote...

SorrowAndJoy7 wrote...

True, But... that's the majority of their dialogue... if they went that far it wouldn't be that hard to throw in a couple paragraphs for them to say over the other situations in the game. "Shepard we can't do this blah", "Who would do something like this"... you know just some generic lines that cover situations that happen while out on missions. The majority of their dialogue is on the ship through talking, A vast majority of it comes from the "investigate" options.

Well, the problem is programing the AIs for the character. especially if that AI has a chance not to be used.
You're better off just having a stiff board with their skin and dialogue options, well it's easier to do.

It also saves a lot of space on the disk. Not having to program the AI or their sidequest would probably leave a large amount of room for other things.

Sidequest I would love, do this for me, please type thing if they keep it. They do have sidequests in ME2that are dependent on you doing certain things from ME1. (like what you do with the Asari captured by the Thorian)
It'd probably be small, lacking combat, but a sidequest might be nice.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

There's no way I'm leaving behind Garrus after what he accomplished in my suicide run (squad leader for both the fire and diversion team, got everyone out alive) or Tali. Liara better comeback too, but I fear that she will go the way of Benezia...the same reason that my Shepard turned to Tali.

[Eradyn]

marshalleck wrote...

sp333dd3m0n wrote...

I'm just waiting for the announcement that ME3 has triple the amount of people working on it compared to ME2 and 1. If that actually happens I would readily expect to have bioware create quests and storylines that many people wouldn't see. Plus we've been told in the past that Bioware wants to create the third installment with the idea of just "letting go" and seeing what happens. Like having every choice we've made bring the game to a climax.

Will Mass Effect 3 continue the trend of incrementing the number of discs each game is shipped on by one? 

If it meant a massive, all-inclusive, grand-slam finale if epic proportions, I don't care how many discs they need.  Seriously, they can take as many discs as they want or need.

Over at the Garrus Love and Adoration thread, we have our own wishlist going, and I think a number of our hopes could be carried over for other characters.  I sincerely hope for the best for the ME1 and ME2 squad (and most especially, of course, for Garrus ).

[aaniadyen]

I wish Bioware would invest the same ammount of resources in ME 3 that Cerberus did when they brought Shep back to life.

[sp333dd3m0n]

marshalleck wrote...

sp333dd3m0n wrote...

I'm just waiting for the announcement that ME3 has triple the amount of people working on it compared to ME2 and 1. If that actually happens I would readily expect to have bioware create quests and storylines that many people wouldn't see. Plus we've been told in the past that Bioware wants to create the third installment with the idea of just "letting go" and seeing what happens. Like having every choice we've made bring the game to a climax.

Will Mass Effect 3 continue the trend of incrementing the number of discs each game is shipped on by one? 

I'm waiting for the announcement of disc number 4 lol. Seriously though, changing discs is no problem at all. And if i get charged another 20 bucks for this third game I'll pay it without hesitation. And geting the collectors edition is an absolute must!!

[marshalleck]

Eradyn wrote...

If it meant a massive, all-inclusive, grand-slam finale if epic proportions, I don't care how many discs they need.  Seriously, they can take as many discs as they want or need.

Agreed. I've got a spare 500GB drive on my PC and a 120GB drive in my XBOX with Bioware's name on them.

If you Bioware folks are reading this thread, feel free to liberally help yourself to that data storage space. You have my consent and my blessing.

Modifié par marshalleck, 01 février 2010 - 01:49 .

[unclee]

Sereaph502 wrote...

Besides, if you want to play by that logic: It's possible for shepard to die in ME2. Obviously Bioware would have too much trouble bringing back the MAIN CHARATCER OF THE SERIES and will just decide to SPEND EVEN MORE RESOURCES ON CREATING A BRAND NEW CHARACTER INSTEAD OF JUST USING AN OLD ONE, meaning a new protagonist.

This issue has actually been settled a long time ago. If Shepard dies in your game that's just the end of YOUR Shepard, meaning you can't import that save into ME3 and you'd have to start a new file in ME3 (with whatever Bioware defaults to for brand new games). They said it multiple times that the ME trilogy is Shepard's story.

[Bolshevik kityy]

If Tali and Garrus arnt in Mass Effect 3, I might cry. Me and Tali have too much goin on for her not to be an intrecal part of my story.

[KnightofPhoenix]

aaniadyen wrote...

I wish Bioware would invest the same ammount of resources in ME 3 that Cerberus did when they brought Shep back to life.

That's why we need a real life Illusive man. To safeguard humanity's interests by making the best damn conclusion to the best trilogy of the 21th century.

[yoshibb]

RandomPot322 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

You understand our concerns now. Bioware could take out your favorite characters because it's too hard to implement them. This is a trilogy where choices were supposed to really matter. I thought this was supposed to be groundbreaking, but right now it's leaning towards just another FPS type shooter with a little story thrown in. People who like Liara, Wrex, Kaiden, and Ashley should not be cut down and called whiners. It shouldn't be just Garrus and Tali coming back, it should be all of them. They do that, they get their money, and they create one of the greatest games of all time.

Bioware's proved that it will bring back characters, even ones that can die, like Wrex, but don't have to.
At this point, I think a lot of worrying is a bit unfounded. Like when the first trailer came out and everyone said they wouldn't buy the game cause they killed Shepard. And how they weren't going to follow through on their promises for importing your saves.
Not that I say give it time, I say look at what they've done, they know what they're doing. And I have faith that they'll do the right thing.

Think on this for a second. You either saved the council in ME1 or let them die.

Did that choice effect you at all in ME 2. Did certain aliens refuse to further your plotline because you had killed the council? Were there any racist humans more willing to help you if you put the alliance in charge? No, it was the same story line no matter what. I could have done either and it wouldn't have changed a thing besides seeing the council for five seconds and not seeing them at all. 

So obviously there is a concern for me that really that choice means nothing and it's just thrown in there to make you seem more paragon or renegade. Unless, they do what they promise and implement it into mass effect 3 

[RVonE]

Here's the problem: if BioWare wants to please everyone they'll have a ton of squad members for ME3. This is unlikely to happen so some members need to be cut. Since it is much harder to write new story for characters that are well developed I think Tali and Garrus are the first to be cut. They've had two games worth of being a squad member and both had a romance subplot. All other characters have only had one game to develop their story (or one and a bit, like Liara). These are the characters that will be easier to develop in ME3 so I predict Garrus and Tali being sidelined. For Tali, the story hooks are there: she seems to be a candidate for filling her father's place on the admiralty board (this can also work if she's first exiled, think about it).



For those who remember, I used to be very active in the Tali love threads before it was known that she was going to be romanceable, so this is the worst case scenario for me. But this is what seems most logical to me.

[Sereaph502]

unclee wrote...

Sereaph502 wrote...

Besides, if you want to play by that logic: It's possible for shepard to die in ME2. Obviously Bioware would have too much trouble bringing back the MAIN CHARATCER OF THE SERIES and will just decide to SPEND EVEN MORE RESOURCES ON CREATING A BRAND NEW CHARACTER INSTEAD OF JUST USING AN OLD ONE, meaning a new protagonist.

This issue has actually been settled a long time ago. If Shepard dies in your game that's just the end of YOUR Shepard, meaning you can't import that save into ME3 and you'd have to start a new file in ME3 (with whatever Bioware defaults to for brand new games). They said it multiple times that the ME trilogy is Shepard's story.

I know.  I was using that as an example.

But there are still people out there talking about how if your shepard dies then suddenly when you import your ME2 save (which won't happen.  Shepard is DEAD = no save file) you get a new protagonist.  It's completely silly and not logical, which is what I intended for when I said it.

Also, as was said before a few pages back...If any of you have any experiences at all with trilogies, you know that they don't throw everyone away and grab a whole new cast and crew at the last minute.  LotR didn't throw away Frodo and Sam in favor of two other characters, and harry potter won't throw away Harry, Ron, etc.

Given their track record, Garrus/Tali have a good chance of returning in ME3.  And seeing some more conversations (I heard Miranda pretty much says "screw you" to TIM if you take her to the final battle of ME2) it's also possible for some of the new ME2 cast to continue on as well.

You also have to realize mass effect is a trilogy.  Bioware doesn't have any more time to have you spend a whole game tracking down and recruiting brand new characters, or even tracking down and recruiting all your old ones AGAIN.  They have to tell us how Shepard and his squad plans to deal with the reapers, and give us a final confrontation, as well as an ending that will satisfy everyone

This is just me and a few others thinking, but Tali Vas Normandy.  Tali OF THE Normandy.  The Normandy is her home, especially if she gets exiled, then she has NOWHERE else to go.

[RandomPot322]

yoshibb wrote...

RandomPot322 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

You understand our concerns now. Bioware could take out your favorite characters because it's too hard to implement them. This is a trilogy where choices were supposed to really matter. I thought this was supposed to be groundbreaking, but right now it's leaning towards just another FPS type shooter with a little story thrown in. People who like Liara, Wrex, Kaiden, and Ashley should not be cut down and called whiners. It shouldn't be just Garrus and Tali coming back, it should be all of them. They do that, they get their money, and they create one of the greatest games of all time.

Bioware's proved that it will bring back characters, even ones that can die, like Wrex, but don't have to.
At this point, I think a lot of worrying is a bit unfounded. Like when the first trailer came out and everyone said they wouldn't buy the game cause they killed Shepard. And how they weren't going to follow through on their promises for importing your saves.
Not that I say give it time, I say look at what they've done, they know what they're doing. And I have faith that they'll do the right thing.

Think on this for a second. You either saved the council in ME1 or let them die.

Did that choice effect you at all in ME 2. Did certain aliens refuse to further your plotline because you had killed the council? Were there any racist humans more willing to help you if you put the alliance in charge? No, it was the same story line no matter what. I could have done either and it wouldn't have changed a thing besides seeing the council for five seconds and not seeing them at all. 

So obviously there is a concern for me that really that choice means nothing and it's just thrown in there to make you seem more paragon or renegade. Unless, they do what they promise and implement it into mass effect 3 

True, but the amount of things they have and haven't included based off
your choices is huge already. People coming up to you, what you can
say. Missions that may or may not be available to you.
Really, all I can say is have faith. Bioware has done a good job in making your choices matter to the world around you without making it difficult to the basic story. What you're doing has little to do with the Council or if they're human. Hell how much did you interact with the Council in the ME1? all of two, three scenes? would it have mattered if that was just a human council?

Side note, you said FPS type shooter That is not only redundant but factualy incorrect. FPS stands for first person shooter, so it's already a type shooter, and this game is third person. just yeah, a bit of a bug of mine.

[Annora]

Sereaph502 wrote...

(I heard Miranda pretty much says "screw you" to TIM if you take her to the final battle of ME2)

It's more like, "Consider this my resignation."

[ChristEater]

I'm a bit surprised Garrus and Tali are so popular. These were my least favorite squadmates in ME1 (followed closely by Ashley), and I was a bit disappointed to see that they were squadmates again in the sequel rather than Liara and/or Wrex.



Can't please everybody I guess.

[Sereaph502]

Anastassia wrote...

Sereaph502 wrote...

(I heard Miranda pretty much says "screw you" to TIM if you take her to the final battle of ME2)

It's more like, "Consider this my resignation."

same thing, but also leads me to believe that it's possible that Miranda will follow shepard into ME3 as well.

Heck, all they really need to do is throw out two characters (sorry everyone) to fit back Ash/Kaiden and Liara IF they ever decide to come back.  I can sure think of a two characters that might leave.  Thane, he's dieing and probably wants to live the rest of his year in peace.  Samara, she was sworn to help you end the collector threat.  Her oath was completed, and knowing the Justicars, she might decide to leave as well.

Grunt could possibley go to Tuchunka and help the krogans.  Jacob might stick around.  Jack...Who knows.  Legion is obsessed with Shepard and will probably stick around.  Mordin might decide to leave and work on the Genophage, or open another Clinic somewhere.

[sp333dd3m0n]

Bolshevik kityy wrote...

If Tali and Garrus arnt in Mass Effect 3, I might cry. Me and Tali have too much goin on for her not to be an intrecal part of my story.

You can lean on me......cuz i'd be crying too. If they aren't squad mates in ME3 I'd have to give pause before i'd buy the game......

[unclee]

Sereaph502 wrote...

Anastassia wrote...

Sereaph502 wrote...

(I heard Miranda pretty much says "screw you" to TIM if you take her to the final battle of ME2)

It's more like, "Consider this my resignation."

same thing, but also leads me to believe that it's possible that Miranda will follow shepard into ME3 as well.

Heck, all they really need to do is throw out two characters (sorry everyone) to fit back Ash/Kaiden and Liara IF they ever decide to come back.  I can sure think of a two characters that might leave.  Thane, he's dieing and probably wants to live the rest of his year in peace.  Samara, she was sworn to help you end the collector threat.  Her oath was completed, and knowing the Justicars, she might decide to leave as well.

Grunt could possibley go to Tuchunka and help the krogans.  Jacob might stick around.  Jack...Who knows.  Legion is obsessed with Shepard and will probably stick around.  Mordin might decide to leave and work on the Genophage, or open another Clinic somewhere.

There is actually a very obvious "out" for Grunt. When talking with him after his loyalty mission you can tell him "things won't be like this forever" and he pretty much says that he'll just go somewhere else then. I could see him leaving after the Collector fight because things settled down a bit and he wanted to keep fighting.

I also see Mordin leaving. Probably to open another clinic on Omega.

[marshalleck]

Commandr Bond wrote...

Here's hoping for no new squadmates in ME3 so they can fit all the old ones in.

Even if it were possible for Shepard to be the sole survivor of the suicide mission, they'd have this base covered by bringing back Liara + Ashley or Kaidan.

That would be a pretty slim, monotonous team to go through the game, but hey. Consequences.

[yoshibb]

RandomPot322 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

RandomPot322 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

You understand our concerns now. Bioware could take out your favorite characters because it's too hard to implement them. This is a trilogy where choices were supposed to really matter. I thought this was supposed to be groundbreaking, but right now it's leaning towards just another FPS type shooter with a little story thrown in. People who like Liara, Wrex, Kaiden, and Ashley should not be cut down and called whiners. It shouldn't be just Garrus and Tali coming back, it should be all of them. They do that, they get their money, and they create one of the greatest games of all time.

Bioware's proved that it will bring back characters, even ones that can die, like Wrex, but don't have to.
At this point, I think a lot of worrying is a bit unfounded. Like when the first trailer came out and everyone said they wouldn't buy the game cause they killed Shepard. And how they weren't going to follow through on their promises for importing your saves.
Not that I say give it time, I say look at what they've done, they know what they're doing. And I have faith that they'll do the right thing.

Think on this for a second. You either saved the council in ME1 or let them die.

Did that choice effect you at all in ME 2. Did certain aliens refuse to further your plotline because you had killed the council? Were there any racist humans more willing to help you if you put the alliance in charge? No, it was the same story line no matter what. I could have done either and it wouldn't have changed a thing besides seeing the council for five seconds and not seeing them at all. 

So obviously there is a concern for me that really that choice means nothing and it's just thrown in there to make you seem more paragon or renegade. Unless, they do what they promise and implement it into mass effect 3 

True, but the amount of things they have and haven't included based off
your choices is huge already. People coming up to you, what you can
say. Missions that may or may not be available to you.
Really, all I can say is have faith. Bioware has done a good job in making your choices matter to the world around you without making it difficult to the basic story. What you're doing has little to do with the Council or if they're human. Hell how much did you interact with the Council in the ME1? all of two, three scenes? would it have mattered if that was just a human council?

Side note, you said FPS type shooter That is not only redundant but factualy incorrect. FPS stands for first person shooter, so it's already a type shooter, and this game is third person. just yeah, a bit of a bug of mine.

I'd much rather they simply focused on the big choices rather than conrad verner and the like. If there was just one key mission where things went different depending your choice on the council, I would be happy. In other words having two different distinct paths in that mission. I gave you an example above of a possibility.

You say have have faith, but unless we complain Bioware won't do anything. I said nothing and had faith that my choices would matter in the sequel. But I got nothing from it. Meanwhile, the people who asked again and again for more Tali/Garrus and better combat, got what they wanted. So I can't just sit quietly and have faith. I need to complain so they understand I will not be happy if they just scrap everything and go with a new crew. 

[Sereaph502]

Commandr Bond wrote...

Here's hoping for no new squadmates in ME3 so they can fit all the old ones in.

Throw out some of the new ME2 squad that didn't matter much to the plot besides "oh you need a lot of people and cerberus told me to come so I'll come" and put the ME1 squad that didn't make it back in, and you make everyone happy.  Except for the fans of those you threw out.

OR make an even bigger roster and just fit the ME1 guys back in.  Problem solved.

Modifié par Sereaph502, 01 février 2010 - 02:09 .

[Sith_exar_kun]

I Want them both!!!

[ShadowAldrius]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

I'm more concerned about whether or not they'll get a good role. Wrex's role didn't exactly measure up to his popularity.

But it was awwweeessommmeee. He headbutts Michael Dorn and is so freaking ecstatic.

I honestly, sincerely don't expect Bioware to turn potentially dead
people into squadmates. That's a lot of work and resouces for something
not everyone will experience. Again I point to Wrex in ME2. He was a
fan favorite from ME1, but he's potentially dead.

Let's remember two things:

1) It's REALLY easy for Wrex to die if you're not prepared for it.
2) In the default version of ME2 Wrex is dead.

That's why he's not a squadmate, because he's so LIKELY to be dead. And honestly, I personally think his role in ME2 is AWWEESSOMME. He's my favourite character, and I'd rather see him on his homeplanet helping his people than running around the galaxy with me fooling around. It fits his character so much better. Personally I think his role in the story had more to do with him not being a squadmate than him being potentially dead.

Some of your ME2 squadmates will most definitely be back. All of them can die, but not all of them WILL be dead. It depends on what the default is and how the ME3 squad works. Personally, I'm partial to the 'pick and choose' idea for it. Rather than having a set of squadmates you always have. It'd be extensive, but they won't have to give them all long extensive personal quests like they did in ME2.

Here's hoping for no new squadmates in ME3 so they can fit all the old ones in.

Ugh, no. They should definitely introduce new squadmates. Not as many as the first game, mind you. But they should definitely introduce new squadmates.

Modifié par ShadowAldrius, 01 février 2010 - 02:13 .