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Reapers, any thoughts on how/ if they can be defeated?


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Simple. Get Jeff Goldblum in the picture and make him give the reapers a 'cold'. :D

Oh yeah, and get Will Smith (And in our case, Mr. Jacob "Kanye" Taylor) to nuke the @%$# out of 'em.

Modifié par Ewing5150, 31 janvier 2010 - 10:13 .


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A computer virus!


Have them install windows. Then just wait for the inevetable Blue Screen Of Death :P

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Terwox_ wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Was it a single weapon that defeated the Reaper on the IFF Mission?


I'm trying to remember this from the top off my head, so I might be wrong.

I believe it was a single giant particle accelerator. Which apparently only fired that killing shot before it stopped working. It overloaded maybe I don't know, but from what I remember its not in working condition anymore.


It was a very powerful shot to have glanced off a planet and still have enough power to kill the reaper..... that or it was a shot from the reaper and something else killed it. A lot of evidenced areas of former life have descriptions of orbital bombardment, could be from the reapers or something else. But this reaper could just as likely been lining up a shot on that planet and died from something else and the shot just missed due to its death..*shrug*

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jimmyjoefro wrote...

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this is off topic but why is it all of the reapers look like sovereign shouldnt there be some diversity since each reaper is modeled after the species it killed ?

But if your paragon you do have rachni and geth on your side it should be prretty damn cool ending


How many humans did they actually capture to create half of the Human Reaper?  If they captured all of the human race, they could make hundreds, maybe thousands if they ever captured Earth.


If you look closely there are a few differences between the Reapers.  Maybe in Mass Effect 3 we will see even more variety.  Also, EDI states they weren't able to make Prothean Reapers for some reason.  Maybe they can only make Reapers out of certain species.  Maybe the Reapers we have seen so far are all from one species, and the ones from other harvested species haven't been revealed yet.

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benaq wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Sandman 95 wrote...

this is off topic but why is it all of the reapers look like sovereign shouldnt there be some diversity since each reaper is modeled after the species it killed ?

But if your paragon you do have rachni and geth on your side it should be prretty damn cool ending


How many humans did they actually capture to create half of the Human Reaper?  If they captured all of the human race, they could make hundreds, maybe thousands if they ever captured Earth.


If you look closely there are a few differences between the Reapers.  Maybe in Mass Effect 3 we will see even more variety.  Also, EDI states they weren't able to make Prothean Reapers for some reason.  Maybe they can only make Reapers out of certain species.  Maybe the Reapers we have seen so far are all from one species, and the ones from other harvested species haven't been revealed yet.

there seems to be quite a bit of variety from the few seconds we see the reaper horde at the end.

i'm thinking we'll need, among other things, a geth army (don't the ones beyond the veil worship organics?), a krogan army (cure the genophage), well-prepared citadel forces (save the council) OR well-prepared alliance forces (sacrifice the council to prevent human casualties, although it's conceivable that new ships were built in the two years since the attacks), and of course the rachni. it would be like how making the wrong decisions in me2 leads to squad deaths, except it would apply to decisions made across all 3 games and obviously the stakes would be must higher - it'd be interesting to see people kicking themselves for killing the rachni and not being able to go back and change it because of how loong ago they made the decision.

EDIT: and isaac newton, obviously. we'd be nowhere without the deadliest son of a **** in space.

Modifié par hamskii, 31 janvier 2010 - 10:27 .


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hamskii wrote...

benaq wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Sandman 95 wrote...

this is off topic but why is it all of the reapers look like sovereign shouldnt there be some diversity since each reaper is modeled after the species it killed ?

But if your paragon you do have rachni and geth on your side it should be prretty damn cool ending


How many humans did they actually capture to create half of the Human Reaper?  If they captured all of the human race, they could make hundreds, maybe thousands if they ever captured Earth.



If you look closely there are a few differences between the Reapers.  Maybe in Mass Effect 3 we will see even more variety.  Also, EDI states they weren't able to make Prothean Reapers for some reason.  Maybe they can only make Reapers out of certain species.  Maybe the Reapers we have seen so far are all from one species, and the ones from other harvested species haven't been revealed yet.

there seems to be quite a bit of variety from the few seconds we see the reaper horde at the end.

i'm thinking we'll need, among other things, a geth army (don't the ones beyond the veil worship organics?), a krogan army (cure the genophage), well-prepared citadel forces (save the council) OR well-prepared alliance forces (sacrifice the council to prevent human casualties, although it's conceivable that new ships were built in the two years since the attacks), and of course the rachni. it would be like how making the wrong decisions in me2 leads to squad deaths, except it would apply to decisions made across all 3 games and obviously the stakes would be must higher - it'd be interesting to see people kicking themselves for killing the rachni and not being able to go back and change it because of how loong ago they made the decision.


Wow. They wernt kidding when they said the chocies you make would have a big effect on the game. Thats BIG. Image IPB

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Virus would be the best IMO...there's nothing as destructive to life in this universe as a virus.

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I would like a War of The Worlds kind of ending. Some kind of natural bacteria that the Reapers arnt immune to. But thats way too close to the movie.



Somethign mroe realistic would be like going to the main Reaper or a place where all of them are connected and destroy it entirely. Like Sovereign or The Collector base.

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The Reapers aren't connected like the Geth. I don't see a virus doing much.

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Im guessing this



The fleets of the galaxy set a trap for the reapers which ends up with them escaping a super nova and the reapers getting destroyed. Shepard stays behind to press the button.

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For some reason I can see them ending it with some kind of encounter coupled with a final major choice to make with some leading entity among the reapers. Maybe the reapers come around at a point where they believe civilizations are on the brink of wiping themselves out. So that with some twisted logic they are actually saving these hyper-advanced civilizations from being completely erased by incorporating their genetic material in a unified form that is controlled by machines. Perhaps the reapers see themselves as a means of applying order to the chaos of organic life by preventing "inevitable" self-destruction and utter annihilation. While the species they target are extinct in their original form, the reapers see them as living on for millions of years through their genetic fusion with machines. So while they appear to be ultimately evil, in their own eyes they're doing organics a favor by "preserving" them and adding them to their own ranks. Perhaps as Shep we'll get to fight the original reaper and either convince it that organics don't need to be controlled and converted to survive (paragon) or agree that living on as a reaper is better since the galaxy is gonna wipe itself out (renegade), maybe making Shep the primary consciousness of the human reaper. Besides hes already a cyborg and could be debated against that he couldn't do what he did without the "control" of synthetics.

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People keep saying supanovaing stars, yet remember that Mass Relays are made up the same stuff Reapers are made up by, and the Mu relay was hit by a super nova, and was propelled a gigantic distance without a scratch?



Yeah, not so hot of an idea.

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I still think resurrecting the beings of light is going to be vital.

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Nallski wrote...

For some reason I can see them ending it with some kind of encounter coupled with a final major choice to make with some leading entity among the reapers. Maybe the reapers come around at a point where they believe civilizations are on the brink of wiping themselves out. So that with some twisted logic they are actually saving these hyper-advanced civilizations from being completely erased by incorporating their genetic material in a unified form that is controlled by machines. Perhaps the reapers see themselves as a means of applying order to the chaos of organic life by preventing "inevitable" self-destruction and utter annihilation. While the species they target are extinct in their original form, the reapers see them as living on for millions of years through their genetic fusion with machines. So while they appear to be ultimately evil, in their own eyes they're doing organics a favor by "preserving" them and adding them to their own ranks. Perhaps as Shep we'll get to fight the original reaper and either convince it that organics don't need to be controlled and converted to survive (paragon) or agree that living on as a reaper is better since the galaxy is gonna wipe itself out (renegade), maybe making Shep the primary consciousness of the human reaper. Besides hes already a cyborg and could be debated against that he couldn't do what he did without the "control" of synthetics.


you sir, have spoiled ME3 for us. for shame.:crying:

this sounds exactly like what harbinger was saying, about how they are our salvation through our destruction. we already know they plan to incorperate human dna into themselves(having destroyed one of them, they assumedly they see humanity as the dominant species), and since they failed with the protheans, they converted them to help with that goal in another way. only 2 questions remain:

1. why does it look like a human? surely they can incorporate our dna without making a giant terminator. they are currently clearly designed to be spaceships, and as the most effective form, why would they change that for asthetics?

2. what cuttlefish species are the current reapers based off of? did they just happen to have inards well suited to be spaceships? it seems when they make hybrids, they dont just make new ones, the involve the whole race to be converted into the new form. this doesnt erase all the genetic preservation of before? why is the baby reaper we fight, baby though it is, vulnerable to small arms fire when sovereign took on a fleet of ships no problem?

well thats more than 2 questions.:P

anyway, between the rachni, council (who is going to be assassinated and replaced now, useless a-holes), rewritten geth, possibly krogan, and cerberus-reaper copy/ whatever they do with it, my shep might have a fighting chance.

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Nallski's idea sounds good, but for some reason I think they're not going to go with the "save everyone by destroying them". Or I should say, I hope they won't. I think it's been done more than the regular "pure evil" scenario, so I'm all for that. Or they may come up with something different entirely. Maybe the Reapers need to absorb organic life and other resources to "refuel"? And if we deny them their fuel, they'll die. Yeah, that doesn't sound very plausible, but who knows.

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I am hoping it depends a lot of choices you have made in the last two games.

For example, saving the Rachni would give you a considerable leg up, and hopefully a Krogan cure can be administered in time to make yet more soldiers, if you saved the Geth (heretics) instead of wiping them out no doubt they would be willing to help. Then of course whether or not you took Collector/Reaper technology.



I really want all of these things to affect how it pans out.

Seeing as how I do not see anyway of talking these guys down.

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Frotality wrote...

1. why does it look like a human? surely they can incorporate our dna without making a giant terminator. they are currently clearly designed to be spaceships, and as the most effective form, why would they change that for asthetics?


EDI says something about this.  Basically, the Reapers take the form of which ever species is being used to create it.  We didn't get to see it completed, so we don't know if it was being built to be a ship like the other Reapers we've seen, or something different.

Frotality wrote...

2. what cuttlefish species are the current reapers based off of? did they just happen to have inards well suited to be spaceships? it seems when they make hybrids, they dont just make new ones, the involve the whole race to be converted into the new form. this doesnt erase all the genetic preservation of before? why is the baby reaper we fight, baby though it is, vulnerable to small arms fire when sovereign took on a fleet of ships no problem?


Gamayun: The outermost one, Gigula, is of note for a well-preserved wreckage of an ancient starship that was recognized by a turian military surveyor. Little information has been released to the public on the vessel, aside from a scholarly paper regarding how the internal layout suggests a horizontally oriented one.

Perhaps the Turians found an ancient ship that belonged to the species that was used to create the cuttlefish Reapers. I would assume they would be horizontally oriented.

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Massive army, advanced army with experimental super-weapons and EDI running interference with her anti-Reaper algorithms.

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Either the Reapers are a race of assimilators or they're trying to preserve the galaxy from the menace of exponential organic development. In the first case it'll be a full on war but in the latter case I don't know what will happen but I get the feeling it won't be so black and white.

I figure if it's the latter then your decisions at the end of ME2 regarding TIM will come into play alot. You'd need to prove to the Reapers that humanity (since they're the dominant species at the moment) can retain and control itself without the need of the Reapers, and if TIM gets his way at the end of ME2 perhaps his behaviour in ME3 will demonstrate to the Reapers that this isn't the case. If you tell TIM to go shove it maybe there's hope yet though.

It'd be awesome if in the end it's a moral journey and set of choices that dictates your fate and the Reaper's choice - almost like judgment. Next we find out 'God' created the Reapers! :alien:

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Im guessing we have to find a way to permanently trap them in dark space, or at least most of them. I dont think theres any way to stop them if all of them make it to the milky way.

Or maybe we find out that we can stop them all by killing Harbinger. It wouldnt surprise me if the ending of ME3 consists of Shepard racing towards something that can kill Harbinger, while the rest of the galaxy has united to hold the reapers off and buy us time.

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darkspace is the area in between galaxies. You cannot trap anything in there. All if takes is for it to move back into the galaxy. In The end you could see the galaxy on the horizon. So while they might be very far away sooner or later they will rerturn to the galaxy. 

You cannot keep them out that is one big boarder to patrol

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Myrmedus wrote...

Either the Reapers are a race of assimilators or they're trying to preserve the galaxy from the menace of exponential organic development. In the first case it'll be a full on war but in the latter case I don't know what will happen but I get the feeling it won't be so black and white.

I figure if it's the latter then your decisions at the end of ME2 regarding TIM will come into play alot. You'd need to prove to the Reapers that humanity (since they're the dominant species at the moment) can retain and control itself without the need of the Reapers, and if TIM gets his way at the end of ME2 perhaps his behaviour in ME3 will demonstrate to the Reapers that this isn't the case. If you tell TIM to go shove it maybe there's hope yet though.

It'd be awesome if in the end it's a moral journey and set of choices that dictates your fate and the Reaper's choice - almost like judgment. Next we find out 'God' created the Reapers! :alien:

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The reapers do not decide if what a race does is just and if that means they can live. They kill. Plain and simple. They do not want you to live you are an organic. They believe that they are gods and that everyone else is just worthless. 

It will come down to a battle. Not trying to prove you got what it takes but a battle for survival. 
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Modifié par Kozer, 01 février 2010 - 12:38 .


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Who built that giant cannon in the reaper iff mission?

And is it still around? Couldnt they just use the tech from the cannon to kill the reapers?

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Judging by that picture, they'll need to build a few million cannons.

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I wouldn't say a head to head fight is out of the question. Remember that the reapers devised a system that would isolate all the inhabited planets so they couldn't band together. It can be concluded that they can be defeated in an all out, unified bout, though the consequences for galactic society would likely be harsh.

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The reason the Protheans fell so quickly was due to them having all their records on the Citadel. Falsify those records, and a lot of worlds can be hidden from the view of the Reapers.



People don't mention how one can't determine what's on the other side of a relay. They're ideal ambush points. I can assume due to each individual Reaper's power, that they'll be more likely to take a "divide and conquer" approach, leaving a relay to be a very good ambush point.