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Reapers, any thoughts on how/ if they can be defeated?


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Probably has to do with this 'dark energy' business. They're going to make black hole guns or something.

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Terraneaux wrote...

Probably has to do with this 'dark energy' business. They're going to make black hole guns or something.


No, thirty dollars says biowares going to pull that,they've been protecting you all along bull**** like the reapers are trying to fix the darkenrgy problem and are taking out the majority of the races for some weird reason and then sayyving a small ammount and taking them to another galaxy like M31. Or they're taking us to a massive space station and they need to get resources every fifty thousand years. Until they/we can slove the problem. acctually now that I think about that's not half bad. Pretty Badass your welcome Bioware roalty free ending to ME3.

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Slidell505 wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

Probably has to do with this 'dark energy' business. They're going to make black hole guns or something.


No, thirty dollars says biowares going to pull that,they've been protecting you all along bull**** like the reapers are trying to fix the darkenrgy problem and are taking out the majority of the races for some weird reason and then sayyving a small ammount and taking them to another galaxy like M31. Or they're taking us to a massive space station and they need to get resources every fifty thousand years. Until they/we can slove the problem. acctually now that I think about that's not half bad. Pretty Badass your welcome Bioware roalty free ending to ME3.


It'd be pretty ****ed up if it was not so much that the Reapers were protecting biological life but that the Reapers were protecting the universe.  Say, biological life inevitably develops mass effect fields, the use of which destabilize the universe and accelerate the big crunch or heat death or something.  The Reapers made the safest mass effect devices they could in the form of the relays, positioned to cause minimal damage to the underlying fabric of the universe, to draw out the pesky organics and make them easy to kill, like using poison on termites or something.  So if you destroy the Reapers in the name of all organic life in the galaxy, you condemn the universe to an earlier grave.  

Just idle speculation on my part.  Doesn't make too much sense, but I think it'd be better than 'the reapers are really good and protecting you from a greater evil.'

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Terraneaux wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

Probably has to do with this 'dark energy' business. They're going to make black hole guns or something.


No, thirty dollars says biowares going to pull that,they've been protecting you all along bull**** like the reapers are trying to fix the darkenrgy problem and are taking out the majority of the races for some weird reason and then sayyving a small ammount and taking them to another galaxy like M31. Or they're taking us to a massive space station and they need to get resources every fifty thousand years. Until they/we can slove the problem. acctually now that I think about that's not half bad. Pretty Badass your welcome Bioware roalty free ending to ME3.


It'd be pretty ****ed up if it was not so much that the Reapers were protecting biological life but that the Reapers were protecting the universe.  Say, biological life inevitably develops mass effect fields, the use of which destabilize the universe and accelerate the big crunch or heat death or something.  The Reapers made the safest mass effect devices they could in the form of the relays, positioned to cause minimal damage to the underlying fabric of the universe, to draw out the pesky organics and make them easy to kill, like using poison on termites or something.  So if you destroy the Reapers in the name of all organic life in the galaxy, you condemn the universe to an earlier grave.  

Just idle speculation on my part.  Doesn't make too much sense, but I think it'd be better than 'the reapers are really good and protecting you from a greater evil.'


Problem with that is, they already said why they allow them to use such technology. It forces them to develop along a certain path in certain areas, which makes it so they don't develop technologies that don't use mass effect fields. They like knowing what capabilities their opponent has.

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krol146 wrote...

Im guessing we have to find a way to permanently trap them in dark space, or at least most of them. I dont think theres any way to stop them if all of them make it to the milky way.

Or maybe we find out that we can stop them all by killing Harbinger. It wouldnt surprise me if the ending of ME3 consists of Shepard racing towards something that can kill Harbinger, while the rest of the galaxy has united to hold the reapers off and buy us time.


Your first idea makes a lot of sense, but remember sovereign goes on about how all reapers "are a single nation with no weakness" or something to that effect. All the reapers are mentally independent of each other. I don't think killing Harby would affect them that much. I doubt they are all linked to him by such a degree.

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My thoughts were that you'd spend the first part of Mass Effect 3 convincing the races of the galaxy that the Reaper threat was real, and convincing them to commit their forces to stopping the Reapers. (kind of like the Allies for Bruma quest in Oblivion)

Your decisions throughout both games (what to do with the Rachni, Geth and Quarians) would affect the strength of the allied fleet and therefore the games outcome.



I presumed it would be a head to head battle, but there's a lot of Reapers in that screenshot...

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This should solve the Reaper problem B) 










I support Falcon Punch as skill for Vanguard ME3 :wub:

Modifié par Tamahome560, 15 mars 2010 - 10:21 .


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Here's an idea: the Reapers' crowning achievement, the mass relays.



The concept behind them is to reduce mass temporarily, shoot it across the relay path and then restore original mass once you get there. That enables FTL speed and travel across unbelievable length in minutes or hours.



If there was a way to do that with weapons, you'd be able to fire rounds at exponentially higher speeds, which would provide humongous destructive potential. A bullet fired at the kind of speed that allows you to cross the galaxy would be equivalent to maybe thousands of nuclear bombs.

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JMA22TB wrote...

Here's an idea: the Reapers' crowning achievement, the mass relays.

The concept behind them is to reduce mass temporarily, shoot it across the relay path and then restore original mass once you get there. That enables FTL speed and travel across unbelievable length in minutes or hours.

If there was a way to do that with weapons, you'd be able to fire rounds at exponentially higher speeds, which would provide humongous destructive potential. A bullet fired at the kind of speed that allows you to cross the galaxy would be equivalent to maybe thousands of nuclear bombs.


I always wondered if the races could fire a cosmic body (like a large moon with fusion torches on it) through a mass relay so that it comes out the other end and collides with any reapers over there.

Modifié par binaryemperor, 15 mars 2010 - 11:42 .


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If we assume that the cutscene at the end of Mass Effect 2 is a rough estimate of the amount of reapers, we can say that there are roughly 300 reapers. Although that is quite a fair bit, it's not as much as some people have speculated.

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An improvement on an earlier strategy.

A number of Carrier Groups with all the fighters and capital ships equipped with Thanix Cannon's.
This could be filled by the Humans

A few fleets to act as a screen for the Carriers. Upgraded with thanix cannons along with the unique weapon research that the geth may have.
This could be filled by Rachni & Geth Fleets.

Converting the Widow Star to begin producing dark energy.
This could be done by a research team of the STG and quarians.

The evacuation/siezure of the citadel to open the stations arms to make it into a relay.
This would be done by an army of Krogan and a rogue Spectre named Shepard.

Modifié par sinisternym, 16 mars 2010 - 12:54 .


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Sovereign fought like a total of fifty ships, OP. That's not even remotely close to the full numbers of the turian and human military. If the galaxy can gets its ships together, and cleverly utilize dark energy, then the reapers can be defeated. Also, if they just launch a Vanguard Shepard out of a torpedo bay he'll solo the entire reaper fleet.

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Sovereign killed 8 Alliance ships.

Correction: Sovereign and the Heretic Geth Fleet killed 8 Alliance ships.

Epic fail.

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Let me refer to those mentioned "beings of light". Can't they be stars going supernovas?

Using stars as "bombs" seems correct, then.

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przemichal wrote...

Let me refer to those mentioned "beings of light". Can't they be stars going supernovas?
Using stars as "bombs" seems correct, then.


once again, let me ask. being that the reapers made mass relays (which can withstand supernova explosions) why would they never bother to think of using the same durable technology to make their ship hulls?

obviously Sovreign was absent on invincible hull-plating handout day, but surely there are some reapers on the higher up chain of command that are more durable than a mass relay?

speaking of chain of command... why the hell would all the reapers charge at once all together?

a supernova or any other ridiculous ambush attack would only wipe out the initial "pawns" in the reaper army. the important "generals" and "officers" wouldnt even engage in direct battle

Modifié par Amethyst Deceiver, 16 mars 2010 - 02:29 .


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przemichal wrote...

Let me refer to those mentioned "beings of light". Can't they be stars going supernovas?
Using stars as "bombs" seems correct, then.


Unfortunately this requires you to destroy entire solar systems. And as the Reapers are coming to harvest organic life and won't give you a warning in advance, each time you detonate a star you sacrifice millions if not billions of people.

That's a whole new magnitude of "Scorched Earth" and "Collateral Damage" ... and if that's acceptable, why stop short of advocating galaxy-wide Masada-style mass suicides as the way to deny those suckers their precious victory?  

Modifié par Wildecker, 16 mars 2010 - 07:47 .


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Take a team Liara, Legion and Shepard. Have Liara mind meld with Shepard and then copy over to Legion, if this is even possible. Legion plugs into the Geth network. The Reapers now have to deal with an entire race of Shepards.

If nothing else you probably have the most powerful computer in the Galaxy analyzing the Prothean data stored in Shepard's mind.

Modifié par Dreykov, 16 mars 2010 - 08:57 .


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The better and more interesting question is: Should they be defeated?

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Shepard tells them. "You should go."



And they go.

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Get a REALLY REALLY big potato.



Shove that potato up the Reaper's exhaust pipe.



Repeat a million or so times.





Win.

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What you need is Ewoks...lots and lots of Ewoks. The Reapers will never see them coming.