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[Chillwill]

Im trying to figure out if getting this achievement is luck based, or if there is something im missing. Just finished my first playthrough and the only member that died was legion. So i did a google to find out if there was anything i could have done to save him.  

People seem to be under impression that if they are loyal or you pick the right person for right job they wont die, but this doesn't seem to be the case. Someone said they had used legion to go through the vents and that he survived, but that is exactly what i used him for and he then died in the closing door video after getting though the vents. He was loyal so its not that. The only people that weren't loyal were zaeed and jack. they both survived.

Not a big deal but just seems kinda weird.

[Matt125]

Who did you have leading the second squad? I had Legion do all the computer stuff, like you did, and I had Miranda lead the second squad. Nobody died.

Also, I don't know if it makes a difference but I got him his exclusive sniper rifle upgrade as well as the geth shields, and all the other upgrades that also apply to the rest of the squad.

Modifié par Matthias Silverblade, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:25 .

[GnusmasTHX]

You need all the ship upgrades except fuel, probes and med-bay. And you need ALL the loyalty missions completed.



Lastly you need to have all your people playing the proper roles.



Tali and Legion go into the vent.

Miranda as secondary leader, both times.

and Grunt or maybe Zaeed escorting the crew.

[cpolisch]

Was EVERYONE in your squad loyal? I think that has to do with it, and how fast you get the valves open.

[Naughty Bear]

Miranda as secondry leader? I made Garrus secondry leader for me both times with Jack doing that shield thing agaisnt the bugs.



Everyone survived for me.

[Veritasinpersonam]

I can confirm Legion in the vent, Miranda (for the first time) or Garrus (both times) as secondary leader, and Jacob escorting the crew.

[Sonris]

I used Jacob as my escort, works every time I did it, Miranda leads the second squad (considered Zaeed and grunt to, they both have some knowledge I would think)



Used Legion for tech.



We all lived.

[Empiro]

I'm sure you don't need everyone loyal to get it. Legion wasn't loyal in my game (crew was captured as I was going to his loyalty mission), and I used Tali to open the door.



A developer was talking about challenging yourself to see how few people you can have loyal to you and still come out with everyone alive.

[DevilHakoten]

I used Legion for Tech, Garrus for the first Fire Squad. Miranda for the second fire squad, Jacob to escort and Samara for the biotic shield.

First time I did it, I had Tali go through the vent, and she died. I was ticked off. I restarted, and chose Legion for the vent, and Garrus for the second team. Then I chose Grunt to be a distraction. I thought he'd be good at living through that, but he died. I went and completed the mission because I didn't feel like going back, and it was late. Beat it this morning and got the achievement.

Modifié par DevilHakoten, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:32 .

[Halabit]

I was lucky to select right selection first time , so everybody survived

Tali -> Vent ( you have to be quick to open doors ( valves for her )
Miranda -> Secondary team leader both times
Mordin -> Use him to escort the hostages
Thane and Grunt -> Squad with me

That's that , my whole team survived .

Modifié par Halabit, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:38 .

[cptlee]

I had Miranda lead and sent Tali through the vents.

The only person that wasn't loyal was Jack and she died.  Maybe she wouldn't have it she was in my party, but I don't know.

Modifié par cptlee, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:37 .

[Chillwill]

Grunt lead the support group of that phase but i doubt that matters. Legion died after we were all behind the door as he was helping me close the door so it doesnt make sense that other group set up should play a part. I just don't see how it can be anything but a %chance of him dying.



And yeah i had compelted all loyalty quests, Zaed just didnt give me his loyalty because i chose to save the place instead of letting him go on revenge mission sacrificing people. And Zaeed isnt part of core game anyway and doesnt count on achievement. Did jack's quest too but she got pissed i sided with miranda in there fight and they both survived.



I also had all upgrades.



But yeah im not asking for a guide on how to get it im asking if anyone else has seen this inconsistency ,where something that worked for others didn' work for them.

[InHarmsWay]

I had Tali do vents, Garrus first squad, grunt as escort miranda as second squad, and jack as sheild, yet mordin died and I don't know why.

Modifié par InHarmsWay, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:50 .

[Rip504]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You need all the ship upgrades except fuel, probes and med-bay. And you need ALL the loyalty missions completed.

Lastly you need to have all your people playing the proper roles.

Tali and Legion go into the vent.
Miranda as secondary leader, both times.
and Grunt or maybe Zaeed escorting the crew.

Not true scanning and med-bay play no role in endgame,

Garrus can also lead the second squad and have every1 live,and i sent grunt back with the crew..

They were all loyal,but you only need Sheilds,guns,and ship armor.
Ans just grab as many upgrades for your crew as you can,not as important as they made it out to be.
Scan a few rich planets,and your good.

PS:EDIT:My first playthrough,I had all missions done,Sent Legion into vents<Garrus lead both teams,Samara use biotic barrier,and Grunt led the crew back,Tali and Jack stayed in my crew.

Modifié par Rip504, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:40 .

[shinobi602]

Chillwill wrote...

Grunt lead the support group of that phase but i doubt that matters.

Yes, it does. Don't ever use Grunt as a leader. Miranda, Garrus, and Jacob are the only ones that work, since they're known for their leadership.

Grunt has no leadersip experience and is a mad dog on a leash basically. He just fights. If anything, you can use him as the escort.

[rines]

Chillwill wrote...

Grunt lead the support group of that phase but i doubt that matters. Legion died after we were all behind the door as he was helping me close the door so it doesnt make sense that other group set up should play a part. I just don't see how it can be anything but a %chance of him dying.

And yeah i had compelted all loyalty quests, Zaed just didnt give me his loyalty because i chose to save the place instead of letting him go on revenge mission sacrificing people. And Zaeed isnt part of core game anyway and doesnt count on achievement. Did jack's quest too but she got pissed i sided with miranda in there fight and they both survived.

I also had all upgrades.

But yeah im not asking for a guide on how to get it im asking if anyone else has seen this inconsistency ,where something that worked for others didn' work for them.

Well Grunt isnt a leader, so that can be why. They didnt draw enough fire or kill enough and too many came. Use an actual leader like Garrus or MIranda and Legion will live.

[Chillwill]

Why would that matter, the whole other team is with us behind the door, Legion dies while closing the door with us, after all parties had completed there part.



Really weird if that factors in.

[Rip504]

shinobi602 wrote...

Chillwill wrote...

Grunt lead the support group of that phase but i doubt that matters.

Yes, it does. Don't ever use Grunt as a leader. Miranda, Garrus, and Jacob are the only ones that work, since they're known for their leadership.

Grunt has no leadersip experience and is a mad dog on a leash basically. He just fights. If anything, you can use him as the escort.

I went through my 3rd playthrough last night with paragon Shep to see how many squadmates I could kill off as Paragon Shep,and Jacob died leading the sec team and/or returning the normandy's crew.
I killed every male off by mistake lol,but hey w.e...Entire Normandy crew Male Shep,Samara,Miranda,Jack,and Tali..The only ones left lol.

[Empiro]

Too bad there wasn't a portion that was like, "There's 50 collectors on the other side of that door, we need one person to go through and get to the control panel to seal it. It's a suicide run." Then, if you send anyone but Grunt, they die, but if you send Grunt, in the end you see him clawing his way out of a pile of dead Collectors  

[Chillwill]

Lol

[Naughty Bear]

Rip504 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You need all the ship upgrades except fuel, probes and med-bay. And you need ALL the loyalty missions completed.

Lastly you need to have all your people playing the proper roles.

Tali and Legion go into the vent.
Miranda as secondary leader, both times.
and Grunt or maybe Zaeed escorting the crew.

Not true scanning and med-bay play no role in endgame,

Garrus can also lead the second squad and have every1 live,and i sent grunt back with the crew..

They were all loyal,but you only need Sheilds,guns,and ship armor.
Ans just grab as many upgrades for your crew as you can,not as important as they made it out to be.
Scan a few rich planets,and your good.

PS:EDIT:My first playthrough,I had all missions done,Sent Legion into vents<Garrus lead both teams,Samara use biotic barrier,and Grunt led the crew back,Tali and Jack stayed in my crew.

I failed the Thane mission. I did his loyal quest but i did not stop his son. He stayed loyal but just sulked the rest of the journey.

[GnusmasTHX]

Rip504 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You need all the ship upgrades except fuel, probes and med-bay. And you need ALL the loyalty missions completed.

Lastly you need to have all your people playing the proper roles.

Tali and Legion go into the vent.
Miranda as secondary leader, both times.
and Grunt or maybe Zaeed escorting the crew.

Not true scanning and med-bay play no role in endgame,

.

Yeah. That's what I said.

[Chillwill]

And yeah only reason i picked grunt was cause i thought i was going to have to play the part of the people i assigned, and i wanted to play as him.

[Rip504]

GnusmasTHX
yea w.e my mistake

Modifié par Rip504, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:57 .

[Esoteric Lord]

Garrus or Miranda have to lead the other fire teams
Loyal Legion or Loyal Tali go through the tubes.
Loyal Legion/ Loyal Grunt I can confirm will get the survivors back

Mordin has a bad habit of dieing for no reason, suggest you take him with you in the final battle.

I took unloyal Zaheed with me to the final battle and he died
Had loyal Samara lead the first fire team, with Loyal Legion in the pipes, Legion died. Repeated and had Loyal Garrus lead and Loyal Legion through the pipes, Legion lives.
Also had unloyal Zaheed try and escort survivors back, he died
Had my Loyal Mordin die randomly at the end of my first playthrough. He was with the distraction team.

First attempt, Legion/Zaheed/Mordin died for me
Second attempt, only person who died was Zaheed, and I had him in my party at the end. This DOES count against the achivement. He was the only one that died on my 2nd try and I still didnt get it. Will try different combos later.

Reccomendations: Loyal Garrus or Loyal Miranda lead both fire teams.
Loyal Tali or Loyal Legion through pipes
Loyal Samara or Loyal Jack for barrier.
Bring Mordin with you to final fight.
All in all Zaheed has been a pain in the ass. Can only get his loyalty if you do renegade choice, has no role he can fill in the final battle, and is a crappy character anyways. I regret recruiting him. Easily the worse DLC Bioware has ever put out. Would reccommend not downloading him if you havent already.

Hope this helps someone.

Modifié par Esoteric Lord, 01 février 2010 - 12:00 .