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[Empiro]

You can get Zaheed loyal even if you do the paragon choice if you have enough paragon points to persuade him.

[ZaDonKilluminati]

Nobody died in my team, i didn't allow it.



Everybody was loyal, i got every upgrade for the normandy and every upgrade for me and my squad.



Sent Tali through the vent (of course you have to open the vents in the time limit or she dies right there), chose Miranda as leader both times, had Samara do the Biotic Bubble and had Grunt escort the injured crew to the normandy.



So when you got everyones loyalty, every upgrade and choose the right person for the jobs, nobody will die.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Empiro wrote...

Too bad there wasn't a portion that was like, "There's 50 collectors on the other side of that door, we need one person to go through and get to the control panel to seal it. It's a suicide run." Then, if you send anyone but Grunt, they die, but if you send Grunt, in the end you see him clawing his way out of a pile of dead Collectors  

Nooo... Jack...

You send her in, she gets the switch sorted... then door opens and jack is standing around all collector corpses and says "No power in the 'verse can stop me!"

Someone mentioned earlier about a dev comment, the comment was that the minimum loyal members is 4 if you want the whole crew and whilst apparently it hasn't been tested in theory you could get away with just 3 but at expense of the crew.

So that leaves me to believe the obvious loyal ones would be the Vent Runner, someone being Leader for the alternate squads and the Biotic (with the crew you also need the Escort). I reckon the way to get it is that when it comes to the final battle, you go in with the Biotic and the Vent Runner, leaving the non-loyal members with the Loyal Leader and they will ensure everyone survives at their end. All the final cut scenes I have seen where Shep lives revolve around the people he went into the final battle surviving as they are the last to make it to the ship. I've read reports that non-loyal members will die if you take them to the final battle.

[Shell_Kracker]

Does it matter if you wait a while before going into the relay?

Some people are saying that if you do any N7 missions after the crew are kidnapped, it won't work.

I got Dr Chakwas out, but other crew, like Kelly, died - is this normal?

Did any of you get the achievement with Kelly dying?

EDIT: Also, does it matter if you defeat the Collector Fighter in the Cargo Bay first time? 

It always flees before I can finish it.

Modifié par Shell_Kracker, 01 février 2010 - 12:37 .

[huntrrz]

I have tried twice, and the person I sent through the vents (Thane, Tali) died both times. I assume I did not get all the vents open quickly enough, so if I pick up the pace and survive the damage I take running through enemies they will live.

My concern is that I also lose the crew. The first time I lost them all because I thought I had time to buff my research before going through the relay. The second time I only took the time to do Legion's loyalty message and apply the bonus talent and retrain researches. I still lost my hacker at the door, and I "only" lost half the crew.

I want to save them ALL. My question is, will picking up the pace with the valves be enough to save both my hacker and the rest of the crew, or am I missing something else (like IMMEDIATELY jump through the relay when Legion's loyalty mission is finished - do not talk to anyone, do not visit another deck, do not pass go...)?

P.S. I assigned Samara as team leader, based on 400 years of Justicar experience.  I see now that may not make sense as she is a lone samurai, not a leader - but will THAT make the difference in saving either the hacker or the crew?

Modifié par huntrrz, 01 février 2010 - 12:37 .

[john william]

All I know is, there is no magic formula based on loyalty, upgrades, and specialist and leader choices that make sure everyone survives. The only possible thread I've picked up on from reading about ten of these threads is time. It seems the time spent between your crew abduction and your journey through omega 4 has an effect and the time it actually takes you to play through the last segment. Overall time played in the game may also be a factor.



But I have no solid ideas. Bioware did clever work onthis one.

[Shell_Kracker]

huntrrz wrote...

I have tried twice, and the person I sent through the vents (Thane, Tali) died both times. I assume I did not get all the vents open quickly enough, so if I pick up the pace and survive the damage I take running through enemies they will live.

My concern is that I also lose the crew. The first time I lost them all because I thought I had time to buff my research before going through the relay. The second time I only took the time to do Legion's loyalty message and apply the bonus talent and retrain researches. I still lost my hacker at the door, and I "only" lost half the crew.

I really want the answer to this too!

- Does picking up the pace when opening the vents save the crew member?

(They didn't take much damage from what I saw).

- Does entering the Relay late make you lose the achievement as some crew die?

[Shell_Kracker]

If this achievement is really this touchy, then its a bit too hard.



Because it can ruin an entire 30+ hour playthrough, making you start again, with no idea what you did wrong.

[allytoll]

I just got it. First try. And all my everyone survived.
Legion for vent.
Garrus leader both times.
Samara for barrier.
Mordin as escort (because he apparently dies while holding the door a lot)
Last boss I used Tali and Legion to make sure they survive (same reason as Mordin)
Make sure everyone is loyal and that you have all the important upgrades.

Modifié par allytoll, 01 février 2010 - 12:45 .

[Shell_Kracker]

allytoll wrote...

I just got it. First try. And all my crew survived.
Legion for vent.
Garrus leader both times.
Samara for barrier.
Mordin as escort (because he apparently dies while holding the door a lot)
Last boss I used Tali and Legion to make sure they survive (same reason as Mordin)
Make sure everyone is loyal and that you have all the important upgrades.

And did you do any missions after the crew were kidnapped?

Or did you go straight to the Omega Relay?

[Sereaph502]

Squad specific upgrades don't affect it. Legion didn't have his sniper rifle, and he lived for me.



You just need the ship upgrades, everyone loyal to you, and pick the correct people.

[Shell_Kracker]

Sereaph502 wrote...

Squad specific upgrades don't affect it. Legion didn't have his sniper rifle, and he lived for me.

You just need the ship upgrades, everyone loyal to you, and pick the correct people.

And what about the time you enter the Relay?

Does that matter?

Do you have to do it as soon as the crew are kidnapped?

[Loop Stricken]

All 11 members loyal.

Thane in the vent (he crawls through vents a lot, okay...), died.

Garrus leading first team, survived.

Zaeed leading 2nd team, died. Jack escorting crew, survived.

Samara shielding, survived.

Tali and Mordin at final battle, survived.

[TudorWolf]

To save all the crew you have to go after them straight away I'm sure.



As for getting everyone else through just assign people to the obvious roles really, eg my squad, with all surviving was:



Garrus as the 2nd team leader both times

Tali in the vents

Zaeed escorted the crew back

Samara was the biotic

I had the squad hold back the collectors coming from behind

And I took Legion and Jack for the final battle



Everyone was loyal

[dadadoom]

Everyone was loyal and I bought all upgrades. I sent Thane through the vents. Miranda led the secondary team both times. Jack protected me against the swarms, and Zaeed escorted the rest of the team to the Normandy. I had Samara and Grunt in the final battle. Thane died, and for some reason Mordin was shown dead in a cut scene near the end. I still don't understand why that happened, as I never chose him to lead anything. I might go through again later and send Tali through the vents and bring Mordin with me.

[Shell_Kracker]

TudorWolf wrote...

To save all the crew you have to go after them straight away I'm sure.

What happened exactly when you rescued them?

Who survived?

[Lathuc]

i just finished the game earlier and none of my team died everyone was loyal



jacob lead both times

tali went through the vent

mordin was escort

samara was the barrier

and my team was jack and garrus

although only the doctor was not liquified didnt even know you could save them all (i did all the quests before the rescue since i didnt know you could keep playing)

[Akiada]

I had everyone live except for Zaeed, myself. I figured the founder of a merc company would have leadership experience but I guess I was wrong. Felt kinda bad about it - I liked him, and I kinda-sorta let Vido get away to save the workers (but made Zaeed loyal through my PARAGON POWAH).



All things considered, a pretty good run for my first time.

[TudorWolf]

Shell_Kracker wrote...

TudorWolf wrote...

To save all the crew you have to go after them straight away I'm sure.

What happened exactly when you rescued them?

Who survived?

Everyone did. You see Lilith (the colonist from Horizon) getting dissolved and then they rescue the crew (Chakwas, Kelly and all the others). Then Zaeed got them back without any trouble

[firecleaner]

To save the whole crew you have to go to the omega 4 relay right after they get kidnapped I mean right after. I didnt even turn Legion on. I used a loyal Tali in the vents, Garrus leading the squad both times, and Jack as the biotic shield. I used Mordin as crew escort because he seems to die in if you don't bring him with you for the final fight or send him to the Normandy early. All my teammates were loyal including Zaheed even though I saved the workers and Vido got away.

[Shell_Kracker]

Lathuc wrote...

i just finished the game earlier and none of my team died everyone was loyal

jacob lead both times
tali went through the vent
mordin was escort
samara was the barrier
and my team was jack and garrus
although only the doctor was not liquified didnt even know you could save them all (i did all the quests before the rescue since i didnt know you could keep playing)

Did you get the achievement???

[StaR_JeS]

All of the crew survived 100% on my first runthrough - squadmates and miscellaneous crew.



I had all the Normandy upgrades, and as many weapons, tech, shielding, and protoype upgrades as I could afford. I maxed out my paragon bar and talked to all of the squad until they didn't want to talk anymore. Loyalty was 100% from all. Did all sidequests prior to going through the relay. Didn't wait after the Collectors abducted the crew.



That was my formula and it worked (oh, and as to assigning jobs: Miranda as leader for both fire teams, Samara as the barrier, Tali in the vents, Jacob as the escort, and Thane and Garrus with me at the end. Mordin, who seems to have been a problem for some people, survived for me.)

[Magnum_666]

Too bad there wasn't a portion that was like, "There's 50 collectors on
the other side of that door, we need one person to go through and get
to the control panel to seal it. It's a suicide run." Then, if you send
anyone but Grunt, they die, but if you send Grunt, in the end you see
him clawing his way out of a pile of dead Collectors ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png

Enchantments!

[BigEd420]

I got it first playthrough  'Cause I'm kewl like that. Well Kelly died.... but thats it

[ZaDonKilluminati]

It really depends on how fast you go after your crew after they have been kidnapped.



I already had all the loyalties and upgrades when it happened so i went right after my crew and everybody survived, especially the cute and lovely Kelly.