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[lovgreno]

Well Harbringer seems to be a total fanboy for humans and Shepard. His interest was maybe started by the fact that a human defeated Sovereign. So he wants to know more about humans and making a human reaper seems to be a good way of learning. It could also be a prototype for making human reapers in a larger scale in the future. Also, a reaper that knows humans would be a great threat indeed to the earthlings.

[BiancoAngelo7]

There's no real definitive purpose given so anything we say will be speculation.

There is however, a good level of certainty that this was done after the devs asked themselves "What's the single most ridiculous boss that will garner the most underwhelming and unsatisfying reaction from our fans?"

"hmmmm"

"I got it! An unfinished HUMAN reaper that for some reason the player can kill with the weapons they have ON them! GENIUS!!!"

Seriously, when in ME1 we had to fight Saren/Sovereign I felt like I do sometimes when Im watching a really intense movie that "on the edge of your seat" feeling. When I got to ...whatever the human larvae reaper thing is....all I could do was go

-.- ...wtf?

Horrible, HORRIBLE boss experience.

Unless they did it to keep our expectations low for ME3's boss experience, in that case it was genius.

Edit: Not to mention that in ME1 the Saren/Sovereign boss combo was an ever constant threat looming over your head with tangible sensations of foreboding doom and epic face off.

While in ME2 I never even caught on that the collector "general" was actually being controlled by a reaper called Harbinger. And I kinda wish that I never figured it out because when I did, it made me wish I hadnt killed Sovereign so I could have been confronted by a reaper that said something more than "ASSUMING CONTROL...THIS HURTS YOU"....ugh.

But the point is, that this confusionary and lackluster boss interaction provided no ground work for the introduction to the final boss, leaving you ultimately underwhelmed and unimpressed. It kinda felt like a curtain reveal...TADAAAA its a Human reaper! Cool huh?....no?...not even a little?

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 21 décembre 2010 - 07:20 .

[Gabey5]

like star treks borg



they wanted to absorb human biological and technolgical distinctiveness then wipe us out

[lawp79]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

There's no real definitive purpose given so anything we say will be speculation.

There is however, a good level of certainty that this was done after the devs asked themselves "What's the single most ridiculous boss that will garner the most underwhelming and unsatisfying reaction from our fans?"

"hmmmm"

"I got it! An unfinished HUMAN reaper that for some reason the player can kill with the weapons they have ON them! GENIUS!!!"

Seriously, when in ME1 we had to fight Saren/Sovereign I felt like I do sometimes when Im watching a really intense movie that "on the edge of your seat" feeling. When I got to ...whatever the human larvae reaper thing is....all I could do was go

-.- ...wtf?

Horrible, HORRIBLE boss experience.

Unless they did it to keep our expectations low for ME3's boss experience, in that case it was genius.

Edit: Not to mention that in ME1 the Saren/Sovereign boss combo was an ever constant threat looming over your head with tangible sensations of foreboding doom and epic face off.

While in ME2 I never even caught on that the collector "general" was actually being controlled by a reaper called Harbinger. And I kinda wish that I never figured it out because when I did, it made me wish I hadnt killed Sovereign so I could have been confronted by a reaper that said something more than "ASSUMING CONTROL...THIS HURTS YOU"....ugh.

But the point is, that this confusionary and lackluster boss interaction provided no ground work for the introduction to the final boss, leaving you ultimately underwhelmed and unimpressed. It kinda felt like a curtain reveal...TADAAAA its a Human reaper! Cool huh?....no?...not even a little?

I must say that I agree with this comment. At the very end of the when shep says something like "not any reaper, a human reaper" I must admit that i giggled alittle, it just fell abit flat.

I do agree with other posters about humans being a bit special as I remember the trinket that the consort gave to shep in ME1 and the little story about early man and the protheans at that pyramid thingy.

[franzos87]

I think the reaper need one of them to activate the citadel as the mass relay, sovereign was killed and so they had to build/breed one. For that they need lots of organic mass and because humanity colonize the worlds far away from council space they are a good target to harvest the people without drawing too much attention....and so there will be a human like reaper.

Modifié par franzos87, 21 décembre 2010 - 07:55 .

[Legbiter]

Try for the Citadel again would be my guess. That's really the Reapers ace in the hole. Open the Citadel, Reaper fleet flies in, kills eveything and shuts down the entire mass relay network. Plus, they decapitate the galactic races and gain access to all of the galaxy's accumulated census data.



And then they mop up and...feed.

[blackheat12321]

I read somewhere that the Reapers look like the alien's they were made from.

[Vaenier]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

There's no real definitive purpose given so anything we say will be speculation.

There is however, a good level of certainty that this was done after the devs asked themselves "What's the single most ridiculous boss that will garner the most underwhelming and unsatisfying reaction from our fans?"

"hmmmm"

"I got it! An unfinished HUMAN reaper that for some reason the player can kill with the weapons they have ON them! GENIUS!!!"

Seriously, when in ME1 we had to fight Saren/Sovereign I felt like I do sometimes when Im watching a really intense movie that "on the edge of your seat" feeling. When I got to ...whatever the human larvae reaper thing is....all I could do was go

-.- ...wtf?

Horrible, HORRIBLE boss experience.

Unless they did it to keep our expectations low for ME3's boss experience, in that case it was genius.

Edit: Not to mention that in ME1 the Saren/Sovereign boss combo was an ever constant threat looming over your head with tangible sensations of foreboding doom and epic face off.

While in ME2 I never even caught on that the collector "general" was actually being controlled by a reaper called Harbinger. And I kinda wish that I never figured it out because when I did, it made me wish I hadnt killed Sovereign so I could have been confronted by a reaper that said something more than "ASSUMING CONTROL...THIS HURTS YOU"....ugh.

But the point is, that this confusionary and lackluster boss interaction provided no ground work for the introduction to the final boss, leaving you ultimately underwhelmed and unimpressed. It kinda felt like a curtain reveal...TADAAAA its a Human reaper! Cool huh?....no?...not even a little?

This is basicaly how I feel. Only I wouldnt have put it so kindly.

I cant tell if Harbringer wanted to have sex with Shepard or wanted to kill her.
“We are Harbinger.” "Impressive Shepard." "Submit now." “Why do you resist us, Shepard?” “You cannot resist.”
Later on at his place... "I know you feel this." "This hurts you."

Modifié par Vaenier, 21 décembre 2010 - 10:08 .

[TheNexus]

Gambit One wrote...

 I must have missed something. Why were the reapers making a human reaper? It seemed kind of random.

To inspire youtube videos, like this one:

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par TheNexus, 21 décembre 2010 - 10:11 .

[BiancoAngelo7]

Vaenier wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

There's no real definitive purpose given so anything we say will be speculation.

There is however, a good level of certainty that this was done after the devs asked themselves "What's the single most ridiculous boss that will garner the most underwhelming and unsatisfying reaction from our fans?"

"hmmmm"

"I got it! An unfinished HUMAN reaper that for some reason the player can kill with the weapons they have ON them! GENIUS!!!"

Seriously, when in ME1 we had to fight Saren/Sovereign I felt like I do sometimes when Im watching a really intense movie that "on the edge of your seat" feeling. When I got to ...whatever the human larvae reaper thing is....all I could do was go

-.- ...wtf?

Horrible, HORRIBLE boss experience.

Unless they did it to keep our expectations low for ME3's boss experience, in that case it was genius.

Edit: Not to mention that in ME1 the Saren/Sovereign boss combo was an ever constant threat looming over your head with tangible sensations of foreboding doom and epic face off.

While in ME2 I never even caught on that the collector "general" was actually being controlled by a reaper called Harbinger. And I kinda wish that I never figured it out because when I did, it made me wish I hadnt killed Sovereign so I could have been confronted by a reaper that said something more than "ASSUMING CONTROL...THIS HURTS YOU"....ugh.

But the point is, that this confusionary and lackluster boss interaction provided no ground work for the introduction to the final boss, leaving you ultimately underwhelmed and unimpressed. It kinda felt like a curtain reveal...TADAAAA its a Human reaper! Cool huh?....no?...not even a little?

This is basicaly how I feel. Only I wouldnt have put it so kindly.

I cant tell if Harbringer wanted to have sex with Shepard or wanted to kill her.
“We are Harbinger.” "Impressive Shepard." "Submit now." “Why do you resist us, Shepard?” “You cannot resist.”
Later on at his place... "I know you feel this." "This hurts you."

Oh God lol, I didnt even think about that, I havent done a playthrough yet as a femshep, but when I do thats gonna make it preeeetty awkwaaard...

I use those lines on de ladies all the time...

"hey babe...SUBMIT NOW....THIS HURTS YOU...I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS..."

(of course Im not reporting here how many restraining orders I have against me though...)




Man Sovereign makes me miss Sovereign soooo much.

[didymos1120]

Shall we now consider the unfortunate implications of this line?



"PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY IF POSSIBLE."

[Dean_the_Young]

didymos1120 wrote...

Shall we now consider the unfortunate implications of this line?

"PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY IF POSSIBLE."

Shepard, Avatar of the Human Reaper?

You know, I've always had a personal suspicion that the Collectors/Reapers would have brought Shepard back via a Lazarus Project had they successfully recovered it from the Shadow Broker. They certainly would have the technology to do it, and cost wouldn't be a factor (especially when the people you'd owe credits to would be dead in five years regardless).

Of course, they'd just put the control chip/indoctrination in at creation.

[Sajuro]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Shall we now consider the unfortunate implications of this line?

"PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY IF POSSIBLE."

Shepard, Avatar of the Human Reaper?

You know, I've always had a personal suspicion that the Collectors/Reapers would have brought Shepard back via a Lazarus Project had they successfully recovered it from the Shadow Broker. They certainly would have the technology to do it, and cost wouldn't be a factor (especially when the people you'd owe credits to would be dead in five years regardless).

Of course, they'd just put the control chip/indoctrination in at creation.

I was under the impression that he would have been the Nazarus of the Human Reaper. The leader of that nation so to speak.

[MassEffect762]

www.youtube.com/watch

Oh wait wrong series. ha.

It  was a plot gimmick for shock effect basically imo.

[Dean_the_Young]

Do you mean Nazara?



I don't think Nazara was a singular individual: Legion identifies Sovereign always and consistently as a gestalt intelligence. Nazara as a self-identifier would most likely be a collective self-identification. Not a 'I am Nazara,', as there was no 'I', but 'We are Nazara.'



Given that each Reaper is a nation, and a species, in and of itself, it may have been in the same sense of



'We are Human.'

[Lumikki]

How human looking reaper walks in space? Does the human reaper move by farting?
Basicly sayed, reapers making human looking spaceship is idiotism beyond anything.

Modifié par Lumikki, 22 décembre 2010 - 01:23 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Lumikki wrote...

How human looking reaper walks in space? Does the human reaper move by farting?
Basicly sayed, reapers making human looking spaceship is idiotism beyond anything.

Its really no less sensible than squid/cuttlefish designs for space travel.

[Monochrome Wench]

It think the reason for it is just to ****** the fans off who have no imagination

[Lumikki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

How human looking reaper walks in space? Does the human reaper move by farting?
Basicly sayed, reapers making human looking spaceship is idiotism beyond anything.

Its really no less sensible than squid/cuttlefish designs for space travel.

In some ways yes. But as aerodynamic, the squid was alot better, if we talk spacecraft what will descend into the atmosphere. In space as in vacuum, the form also has meaning, because the mass balance of the thrust means something. In both cases human form is really bad, only thing where human form  is better, is walking in planet surface.

Modifié par Lumikki, 22 décembre 2010 - 09:16 .

[Rekkampum]

Gambit One wrote...

 I must have missed something. Why were the reapers making a human reaper? It seemed kind of random.

Well, they've been interested in humans for a while, see? Especially James Cameron.

[cutthecameras]

lawp79 wrote...

I do agree with other posters about humans being a bit special as I remember the trinket that the consort gave to shep in ME1 and the little story about early man and the protheans at that pyramid thingy.

Yeah, humanity had the attention of the Protheans from the very beginning. I'm thinking there's definitely something there waiting to be revealed...

Also, too many people keep saying "Oh, the Reapers obviously realized we are a formidable species and-" I feel like I need to interject right there and say "Wroooooooong". Dude, any time we've spoken to a Reaper they've said the same thing. Simply put, the Reapers just don't give a f***k. I don't think it's even in their "programming" to think of anything other than themselves as "formidable".

The human Reaper was for reproduction, purely. It was to destroy humanity's hope and uniqueness simultaneously. To ensure that they could read us like a book from the inside out. Dwindling our numbers and strengthening theirs, adding something of some use to their collective knowledge in an effort to keep the cycle going. To them this is all routine, mechanical, protocol. At least that's how I saw it. How they actually planned to use it is totally meaningless compared to what the human Reaper actually stands for in the story.

[Bluko]

I'm sure someone else has mentioned this, but I believe the main purpose behind the Human Reaper was to open the Citadel Relay. See right now because of the Protheans the Reapers do not control the Citadel thru the Keepers anymore. This makes things problematic for the Reapers. Firstly the Citadel is the heart of galactic society and contains a great deal of information that the Reapers probably would want to utlilize. Secondly the Citadel as we all know is capable of closing the Ward arms to make it essentially inpenetrable. Thirdly the Reapers cannot use the Mass Relay their to warp in. If the Reapers launch an invasion by coming to the galaxy by other means the Council will likely be able to seal off the station. Essentially the Reapers' keep is out of their control.

So after Sovereign screwed up, they went to plan B which was to use the Collectors.I believe the Reapers see humanity as the biggest threat to them, so by making a Reaper out of human colonists they would leave humanity that much more underpowered. Also they needed another Reaper more then anything to attempt to sneak in and take over the Citadel. I'm also guessing the Human Reaper probably would have been to indoctrinate humans easily and was probably going to indoctrinate parts of the Alliance fleet and launch a surprise attack on the Citadel with the Collectors and Geth Herectics.

[Dean_the_Young]

Lumikki wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

How human looking reaper walks in space? Does the human reaper move by farting?
Basicly sayed, reapers making human looking spaceship is idiotism beyond anything.

Its really no less sensible than squid/cuttlefish designs for space travel.

In some ways yes. But as aerodynamic, the squid was alot better, if we talk spacecraft what will descend into the atmosphere. In space as in vacuum, the form also has meaning, because the mass balance of the thrust means something. In both cases human form is really bad, only thing where human form  is better, is walking in planet surface.

There's no reason to 'compromise' to a squid form either, so 'better than a human form' is meaningless. If they cared/wanted maximum combat efficiency, they wouldn't be squids either, or any animal.

You're making an argument of 'a giant robot lion is better than a giant robot human', which, while true, rather misses the point that a giant robot lion is still pretty darn stupid. It misses the point as much as, say, a middle school teacher saying 'I always wear a condom in class': yes, strictly speaking better than the alternative, but missing a rather important distinction about what the problem actually is.

[Flamewielder]

The Reapers' squid-like form serves no apparent purpose, from the perspective of functionality, beyond Nazara's use of their appendages to secure themselves to the Citadel Tower in ME1.

Perhaps ME3 will actually show them what else the appendages can do and provide a funtional rationale for the squid-like design.

It could be the Reapers do not even know themselves: how much does a Reaper remember from it's prior existence as a species of individual sentients? Whatever reasons the creator species of the original Reaper may have had to choose such a design may be lost/irrelevant now.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 22 décembre 2010 - 01:52 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Maybe the terminator baby was suppose to be a very early greyson or at least a vague reference to him for those who read the book does this sound plausible? It's going to take BW alot of convincing and great evidence in 3 to convince me that terminator baby was a sound war strategy for the reapers.