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[jimmyjoefro]

Too bad they didn't capture a Collector and attempt to reverse engineer it back into a Prothean. If that's even possible.

[Lukertin]

Jonny_Evil wrote...

I'd imagine EDI fished that info out of the collectors networks while you were fighting them, after all if they've got no physical defences against ships or intruders they're not going to have a very secure network either.

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This theory actually makes sense.

[hawat333]

For a brief moment, yes.

[catgirl789]

The Collector just looked kind of empty and drained when Harbinger released control. He/She/It just looked so tired when he/she/it was finally consumed by the flames. I just find it so amazing that Bioware was able to convey that through such an alien form.

Modifié par catgirl789, 01 février 2010 - 01:15 .

[Biochimera]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that found the demise of the collector general sad. I don't see any real evidence of him sending info through to the Normandy though, it's more that Harbinger released him, and without Harbinger in him he was finally allowed to die. Strangest part is though, sometimes it looks like it's relieved it's dying yet sad at the fate of it's race, other times it's more like the tortured thing has just had the life sucked out of it and it's finally allowed to die. Guess we'll see in ME3.

[Toxik King]

I thought it looked abandoned =(

[LetheAlethe]

I thought it looked abandoned too, reaching out to the hologram of the reaper, lost without it, maybe somewhere deep down still aware enough to realise they had just been tools to them.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

i felt sad.



but btw he didnt send the schematics. theres nothing to suggest that.

[Sailfindragon]

I did feel a little sad too. But I also thought felt glad that they were finally free of reaper control.

[atheelogos]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Too bad they didn't capture a Collector and attempt to reverse engineer it back into a Prothean. If that's even possible.

Reverse engineer them back? What makes you think we have the tech for that? But yeah I felt kinda sad for them. But they're dead now and I think they would prefer death instead of being a slave to the Reapers.

[kraidy1117]

I got sad when he raised his claw and Harbinger left him to die. Also about him sending the data. He did not, remember EDI mined data from the collector ship, there was alot of data in there and most likely it had data on Harbinger and the Reapers, but still I do feel sorry for the CG.

[Flamewielder]

I do feel sad for them, as a race.



As for the Collector General, the Proteans that were not on Illos got exterminated or endoctrinated. The endoctrinated, abandonned when the Reapers left, died of starvation as they couldn't even remember to eat without some Reaper sub-rooutine reminding them (review Vigil's explanations in ME1). I doubt there was any personality left in the General once Harbinger let go of him, if there ever was. He was probably vat-grown anyway, like Grunt.



Harbinger may have left the Collectors behind as a kind of failsafe should something go wrong with Sovereign and/or the Keepers. The Collectors were probably relatively few in numbers, so as not to attract too much attention. The Human Reaper was a plan B to replace Sovereign as the vanguard of the Reaper Fleet. The activation of several, if not all of the remaining Reapers suggests that there are not enough Collectors left in the Milky Way to try and build another one, forcing them to actually fly back instead of using a mass relay to return.



Which raises the question of why we don't see a mass relay among the Reaper fleet. Was it simply overlooked by the game designers? You'd expect the Reapers to remain relatively close to it while dormant...



Could it be that while Shepard was cleverly distracted by this hunt for this monstruous HuReap, the REAL Reaper agent was preparing another route for the Reapers to use?



Guess we'll have to buy ME3 to find out, eh?

[Reptilian Rob]

I did feel some sorrow for him. Being Prothean at one point, who knows how long he was being controlled by Harbinger. I interpreted the end scene with him as a sigh of relief on his part, sort of a "finally free" statement.

[Skilled Seeker]

I wanted to bone the Collecter General.

[Asheer_Khan]

If you noticed during that cut scene Collector general did pushed some panels in his way to central holo station.

Maybe he start to fell that Harbinger's control is weakening and that's give him opportunity to prepared quick data package whit all necessary infos and when Harbinger finally left he pushed "send" button located on the bottom of that holo station.
If you watch very close just before he died one of his legs placed inside that holo station made move like he did pushing something there.

By the way for the first time i noticed something weird during conversation between EDI and Shepard concerning babyReaper.

EDI pointed very clear that Reapers are more or less cybernetic organisms which required let say "bio stuff" to "eat" in order to function... since WHEN EDI poses such crucial information about true nature of the reapers if not even proteans (according to Vigil) were unable to determine such thing???

There are two possible explanations of this.
1. That info was in previous blocked by Timmy part of EDIs memory, but that would indicated that very possible EDI poses bigger knowledge about reapers as even Timmy suspected (maybe that Sovieregin's data bank retrived by Cerberus poses bigger " Reaper tech library" as anybody in Cerberus even dare to presumed).

2. Maybe General was more clever that Harbinger suspect and when he takeover control over Collector soldiers during fight whit Shepard General was able to play by brief moments double agent by connecting Normandy whit station data bank and help EDI to data mined as many info as possible?
And when puny Harbinger disappear watching on incoming fire general realized hat after all Proteans and all races once murdered by reapers will be avenged and maybe not everything is lost...

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 01 mars 2010 - 05:48 .

[Vanaer]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

If you noticed during that cut scene Collector general did pushed some panels in his way to central holo station.

Maybe he start to fell that Harbinger's control is weakening and that's give him opportunity to prepared quick data package whit all necessary infos and when Harbinger finally left he pushed "send" button located on the bottom of that holo station.
If you watch very close just before he died one of his legs placed inside that holo station made move like he did pushing something there.

By the way for the first time i noticed something weird during conversation between EDI and Shepard concerning babyReaper.
EDI pointed very clear that Reapers are more or less cybernetic organisms which required let say "bio stuff" to "eat" in order to function... since WHEN EDI poses such crucial information about true nature of the reapers if not even proteans (according to Vigil) were unable to determine such thing???

As EDI says before you head onto the Collector Base, they never expected someone to reach the base. Also, she was probaly in their network as she also had acces to their schematics (at the beginning of the mission, during the briefing). She could've picked it up from the Collector network or she has data mined it of the Collector Ship. 

There are two possible explanations of this.
1. That info was in previous blocked by Timmy part of EDIs memory, but that would indicated that very possible EDI poses bigger knowledge about reapers as even Timmy suspected (maybe that Sovieregin's data bank retrived by Cerberus poses bigger " Reaper tech library" as anybody in Cerberus even dare to presumed).

Seems a viable possibility. Perhaps her data was incomplete. 

2. Maybe General was more clever that Harbinger suspect and when he takeover control over Collector soldiers during fight whit Shepard General was able to play by brief moments double agent by connecting Normandy whit station data bank and help EDI to data mined as many info as possible?
And when puny Harbinger disappear watching on incoming fire general realized hat after all Proteans and all races once murdered by reapers will be avenged and maybe not everything is lost...

Maybe, but it seems to me he is more disappointed that he failed the Reapers. Next to that, he's far from a Prothean, he's far more bug like, while the Protheans on Ilos appeared as humans with Draenei faces. However, perhaps he did have his final hour of glory (as Saren did).

[Wild Still]

I like the way Bioware unfolded the story of what wretched creatures the Collectors were. I can't say as though I would feel sorry for one of them as much as I would pity all of them.