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[Naltair]

Saskuatch wrote...
where is it written in stone that she is heterosexual, please I would like to see this evidence.

She only tries to romance male characters.  Just like Miranda tries to romance male characters.  She only is interested in male Shepards.

I am not sure what other evidence you need.

Do you need evidence to prove that Kaidan or Ashley is heterosexual?

[Kyero]

Saskuatch wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I am not sure what you are arguing but everything you said is nothing that I even mentioned.

Your choices have 0 impact on mine, I am only debating the topic of why I think that arguing for a Tali same sex relationship is moot because it is written in stone that she is heterosexual.

The end.

where is it written in stone that she is heterosexual, please I would like to see this evidence.

I would like to see your Edvidence that she's Bisexual? Please let me see it, Oh wait .. there is none.

[SomethinNothing]

Tali is not "written in stone" as heterosexual, she was simply only a heterosexual romance in ME2.



Regardless, her sexuality is such a tiny factor of her character that I fail to see how her having simply the potential to be bi would be a negative "development".

[Naltair]

SomethinNothing wrote...

Tali is not "written in stone" as heterosexual, she was simply only a heterosexual romance in ME2.

Regardless, her sexuality is such a tiny factor of her character that I fail to see how her having simply the potential to be bi would be a negative "development".

It's not negative, but saying that is like saying that Kaidan is also bisexual or Ashley, or Miranda.. or hell why not have every romance be bisexual and call it a day.

That is realistic right?

Modifié par Naltair, 01 février 2010 - 02:06 .

[Kyero]

there are no bisexual humans so far nor gay turians, why would they make Quarians diffrent?



the only bi race are Asari and thats because their genderless

[Saskuatch]

yes that is my issue with all of this the reason it wasn't written in was because of negative backlash, like in this thread. Simply saying the she is bisexual or something else in someone elses game people would not think of her character the same way even though nothing had changed.

[SomethinNothing]

Naltair wrote...

It's not negative, but saying that is like saying that Kaidan is also bisexual or Ashley, or Miranda.. or hell why not have every romance be bisexual and call it a day.

That is realistic right?

It's a video game, the romances don't have to be realistic. If you choose not to pursue a romance with a particular character I fail to see how their sexuality matters at all.

[Saskuatch]

Kyero wrote...

there are no bisexual humans so far nor gay turians, why would they make Quarians diffrent?

the only bi race are Asari and thats because their genderless

how does that logically make sense, interspecies romance is considered normal and there is not a single homosexual relationship in the entire universe.

[skyferret]

Because a race with titles like 'matriarch,' 'matron,' and 'maiden,' as well as addressed as an 'all-female' race is completely genderless.



Just thought I'd go off-topic there.

[Kyero]

/sigh these "Pwease make everyone bi" threads are getting boring and repeatitive, no good evidence supporting it never shows up, just "its not fair everyones not gay/lesbian"



Complain and beg all you want, if she's not bi in ME2, she won't be in ME3.



Sorry that its unfair, I wanted some Garrus bromance but it doesnt happen, I've delt with it.. so should you.

[Naltair]

Saskuatch wrote...

yes that is my issue with all of this the reason it wasn't written in was because of negative backlash, like in this thread. Simply saying the she is bisexual or something else in someone elses game people would not think of her character the same way even though nothing had changed.

I think you are sending mixed signals though.

I can pretend all day that Captain Anderson is gay and wants my Shepard but there is no evidence in the game to support that idea, just my wishful thinking.  In fact one can make a safe assumption he is not homosexual at all, just based on his actions and overall character design.  I can pretend all I want but that does not change the role that character serves in the story.  This is not fan fiction, this is an interactive story where you control/direct the actions of the protagonist but other characters have set character trait parameters even if you decide to ignore them and imprint your own imagined personality traits upon them.

You can role play your ******- erotic adventure with Saren all day long but the game won;t support any dialog choices that won't lead to his death and there will be no love tryst no matter how you wish it to be so.  I respect your vision of the ME universe but that isn't the world as it is presented just your own interpretations to fit your world view and orientation.

Like the real world just because I am attracted to someone does not immediately make them beholden to be attracted back to me, even doubly so if they are the same gender and I am unaware of where their orientation lies.

[Saskuatch]

while we are talking about character, it is totally in character for shepherd to have sex with morinth and die, especially considering shepherd was resurrected to save the galaxy and has proven before to stop at nothing to complete the mission, oh yeh except when it comes to morinth, with morinth it just goes all out the window and shepherd can romance her and leave the galaxy to burn

[grumpymooselion]

Saskuatch wrote...

who here wants this to happen, I thought it was so lame this option wasn't available in this game, it seems like they almost included it because Tali does do some flirting with femshep  but doesnt go any further,

Well, the talk a female Shepard can have with Tali is very suggestive. She notes Shepard as the only one she has ever trusted enough to perform a very, very intimate action with. She mentions she loves Shepard, but as a female that's as far as it goes. The sort of love is never plainly described, and it's never mentioned just what suit linking represents - whether represents something like friendship/family or intimacy.

Naltair wrote...

It's not in her character, end of story.

We have no idea what's in her character. She talks with Female Shepard in a way that no other female crew members to FemShepard, it's very intimate. When you respond to what I talked about above, Tali acts very, very strange - she gets excited and starts jiggling in place and acting embarassed. It's a rather cute moment. We have no idea what that meant because it was never explained to us.

Naltair wrote...

Linking suits is fine, it is something
done with people that are close to you. She feels close to female
Shepard as a friend. It is a sign of intimacy.

But not romance.

You're reading into that a lot, it's never fully explained exactly what that represents. Tali has appeared to have "Friends" amongst Quarians, so if it is just a sign of a Friendship, she wouldn't tell you she's never trusted anyone enough to perform this action before.

Naltair wrote...

You are correct and they did not write that, so yes you proved my point.

What point? The point that Tali, unlike all the other female crewmembers (not counting the Asari and Kelly - Kelly I barely consider a true romance option)  doesn't turn you down. You'll note Jack and Miranda outright turn you down. Tali instead speaks very suggestively about her trust and love for you - and this is when playing a Female Shepard. Talking about Trust and Love can mean a great deal of things and require parameters - parameters we lack. We don't know the full extent of what Suit linking implies culturally. We don't know exactly why she acted so cute at the idea of doing so with a Female Shepard.

Until these things are explained we can not say she would not, anymore than we can say that she would.

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In all honesty, the very fact that you can talk to Tali in this way, and take it this far, as a Female Shepard . . . suggests that wether or not it will be possible in ME3 . . . they (Bioware) seem to have thought about it. Either they decided against it period, at some point and it got cut . . . or perhaps they're saving it. Who knows. Only Bioware I'd assume.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 01 février 2010 - 02:17 .

[Saskuatch]

Naltair wrote...

Saskuatch wrote...

yes that is my issue with all of this the reason it wasn't written in was because of negative backlash, like in this thread. Simply saying the she is bisexual or something else in someone elses game people would not think of her character the same way even though nothing had changed.

I think you are sending mixed signals though.

I can pretend all day that Captain Anderson is gay and wants my Shepard but there is no evidence in the game to support that idea, just my wishful thinking.  In fact one can make a safe assumption he is not homosexual at all, just based on his actions and overall character design.  I can pretend all I want but that does not change the role that character serves in the story.  This is not fan fiction, this is an interactive story where you control/direct the actions of the protagonist but other characters have set character trait parameters even if you decide to ignore them and imprint your own imagined personality traits upon them.

You can role play your ******- erotic adventure with Saren all day long but the game won;t support any dialog choices that won't lead to his death and there will be no love tryst no matter how you wish it to be so.  I respect your vision of the ME universe but that isn't the world as it is presented just your own interpretations to fit your world view and orientation.

Like the real world just because I am attracted to someone does not immediately make them beholden to be attracted back to me, even doubly so if they are the same gender and I am unaware of where their orientation lies.

so let me get this straight you can get it on with every single female on the crew including your assistant simply because the dialog option is available, I mean you can even do them all in order in a single campaign one after the other and be some sort of playa. And in real life when you are at a workplace every single female their is going to be seduced by you one after the other simply because you are hot ****?

[Kyero]

Saskuatch wrote...

while we are talking about character, it is totally in character for shepherd to have sex with morinth and die, especially considering shepherd was resurrected to save the galaxy and has proven before to stop at nothing to complete the mission, oh yeh except when it comes to morinth, with morinth it just goes all out the window and shepherd can romance her and leave the galaxy to burn

that was put in for kicks, it gives you game over and gives you laughs. And you gotta be dumb to pick her after hearing everything Samara says.

and once again, She's a Asari. which leads me to belive more that Asari will be the only race that femaleshems can Lesbo with.

[Naltair]

SomethinNothing wrote...
It's a video game, the romances don't have to be realistic. If you choose not to pursue a romance with a particular character I fail to see how their sexuality matters at all.

Heh correct it is a "video" game but I think that does the medium a disservice since Super Mario Bros. is also just a video game but without deeply realized characters and motivations or any kind of cinematic presentation.  This is a deeply involved story and it makes the character much less believable as actual entities if every one of them is bisexual.

It's the integrity of the story, not the orientation that matters.

Just that orientation plays a large role in human/inter species relationships in the ME universe.

[this isnt my name]

By most peoples logic my character should effect those around him/her, Tali cant be gay because its her character, if that can change then I want an Emily Wong romance, pretty much the same thing your asking for. (Dont realy want one using it as an example) not everyone can be romanced, so not everyone who can be romanced is bi, people have different tastes so its realistic to have some people who are not interested if you are a certain gender/species.

[Naltair]

Saskuatch wrote...
so let me get this straight you can get it on with every single female on the crew including your assistant simply because the dialog option is available, I mean you can even do them all in order in a single campaign one after the other and be some sort of playa. And in real life when you are at a workplace every single female their is going to be seduced by you one after the other simply because you are hot ****?

You totally missed my point so I have no real response.

[-Area51-Silent]

The story is written in the eyes of the author, the characters are as well. Those female characters that swing "both ways" are a bit more obvious I would think, however written into Tali's character I don't think you could argue that.



Bioware created the story to be experienced many different ways, and EVEN WENT AS FAR as to let gender decision dictate some of the responses and actions that could be taken. However there is typically 1-male only attracted character, 1-female only attracted character and 1-can be persued by both. This game was a bit broader than that (example of ME1), however one can consider this, it adds to the replay value!! so you can't rommance Tali and obviously you can't bromance Garrus (the two favorites). play the game multiple times and enjoy the romance with Tali as a male character or Garrus as a female.

[Kyero]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

The story is written in the eyes of the author, the characters are as well. Those female characters that swing "both ways" are a bit more obvious I would think, however written into Tali's character I don't think you could argue that.

Bioware created the story to be experienced many different ways, and EVEN WENT AS FAR as to let gender decision dictate some of the responses and actions that could be taken. However there is typically 1-male only attracted character, 1-female only attracted character and 1-can be persued by both. This game was a bit broader than that (example of ME1), however one can consider this, it adds to the replay value!! so you can't rommance Tali and obviously you can't bromance Garrus (the two favorites). play the game multiple times and enjoy the romance with Tali as a male character or Garrus as a female.

or just youtube the scenes like i did with Garrus and fem shep

[Naltair]

Janan Pacha wrote...
In all honesty, the very fact that you can talk to Tali in this way, and take it this far, as a Female Shepard . . . suggests that wether or not it will be possible in ME3 . . . they (Bioware) seem to have thought about it. Either they decided against it period, at some point and it got cut . . . or perhaps they're saving it. Who knows. Only Bioware I'd assume.

Considering she can die, I think the romance would be at least be consumated  before the suicide mission.  Also if you looked at other posts you will see that Quarians see linking suits as a sign of trust and intimacy between friends and lovers.  Tali's mother linked suits with the admiral from the trial when Tali was born so they could both spend time with the newborn Tali.  

Maybe there is some budding relationship but the fact it isn't pursued in this game says to me that she is at this time not a female romance option.

I am not sure how clearly I can say, maybe next game it can change but considering she may not even be alive, it seems a little awkward.  But who knows you may be correct.  But for the time being she is not considered a romance in the "conventional" achievement sense.

Now you can read into it all you want but the nuts and bolts of the argument is that she is not one now.  I will not indulge in speculation or interpretation because it is quite clear with the current game as is.

[uberman409]

Naltair wrote...

SkywardDescent wrote...

Shala Raan linked suits with Tali's mother, doesn't necessarily mean they love each other.

Exactly.

Or, Tali's mother had a lesbian affair with Shala Raan.

LET THE SHIPPING AND SLASHFICS BEGIN!

[Chimerical Man]

Naltair wrote...

It's not in her character, end of story.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Christ, why do you people whine so much about people wanting to romance characters of the same gender.

If I walked into a Tali romance thread and said "OMG why do you want to romance another species!? NOT EVERYBODY IS INTO INTERSPECIES SEX!! GET OVER IT!!!" people would blow the hell up.

People like same-sex romances. Saying that they want a character to be bisexual is no different than wanting romance with another species or wanting romance with the same species. It's all personal taste.

Stop whining.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 01 février 2010 - 02:26 .

[SkywardDescent]

uberman409 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

SkywardDescent wrote...

Shala Raan linked suits with Tali's mother, doesn't necessarily mean they love each other.

Exactly.

Or, Tali's mother had a lesbian affair with Shala Raan.

LET THE SHIPPING AND SLASHFICS BEGIN!

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