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[SomethinNothing]

Naltair wrote...

Heh correct it is a "video" game but I think that does the medium a disservice since Super Mario Bros. is also just a video game but without deeply realized characters and motivations or any kind of cinematic presentation.  This is a deeply involved story and it makes the character much less believable as actual entities if every one of them is bisexual.

It's the integrity of the story, not the orientation that matters.

Just that orientation plays a large role in human/inter species relationships in the ME universe.

I fail to see how having simply the potential there affects the "integrity of the story". Again, unless you choose to pursue their individual romantic subplots they might as well not even be categorized as having any sort of sexual preference as their individual sexualities have absolute zilch to do with the game's storyline unless you personally take the steps to make it such by pursuing a romance in the first place.

They aren't any less believable just because the potential is there. Obviously if you don't want them to be homosexual you won't pursue that particular subplot and as such it will have no bearing on your individual playthrough.

[uberman409]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Christ, why do you people whine so much about people wanting to romance characters of the same gender.

If I walked into a Tali romance thread and said "OMG why do you want to romance another species!? NOT EVERYBODY IS INTO INTERSPECIES SEX!! GET OVER IT!!!" people would blow the hell up.

People like same-sex romances. Saying that they want a character to be bisexual is no different than wanting romance with another species.

YEA! I wanted to romance the dog from DA: O but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!

Wait, what?

edit: @SkywardDescent - Yes, you did. I think that I'm brilliant for exploiting that.

Modifié par uberman409, 01 février 2010 - 02:26 .

[Naltair]

I have nothing against it, just saying that right now that isn't the case. It's a conversation worth having if interesting.

[Radahldo]

You guys were being called aberrations just a few weeks ago, now you are shutting down the gay-romance train.



Dissapointed in you tali-lovers, very, very disappointed.

[Saskuatch]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Christ, why do you people whine so much about people wanting to romance characters of the same gender.

If I walked into a Tali romance thread and said "OMG why do you want to romance another species!? NOT EVERYBODY IS INTO INTERSPECIES SEX!! GET OVER IT!!!" people would blow the hell up.

People like same-sex romances. Saying that they want a character to be bisexual is no different than wanting romance with another species or wanting romance with the same species. It's all personal taste.

Stop whining.

this is exactly what I am referring to, I mean all of a sudden it is ok to have interspecies romance as long as they have boobs and hips and your character has a manly sculpted body and a deep voice. But if there is a same-sex romance written into the game
IT IS NOT IN HER CHARACTER OMG SICK

[Console Cowboy]

i must have missed the conversation where Tali declares her heterosexuality.

[uberman409]

Radahldo wrote...

You guys were being called aberrations just a few weeks ago, now you are shutting down the gay-romance train.

Dissapointed in you tali-lovers, very, very disappointed.

Yea. If I wanna see two male Kroga-OH GOD NO! EYE BLEACH! THE PLATES, THE PLATES!

[Naltair]

SomethinNothing wrote...

I fail to see how having simply the potential there affects the "integrity of the story". Again, unless you choose to pursue their individual romantic subplots they might as well not even be categorized as having any sort of sexual preference as their individual sexualities have absolute zilch to do with the game's storyline unless you personally take the steps to make it such by pursuing a romance in the first place.

They aren't any less believable just because the potential is there. Obviously if you don't want them to be homosexual you won't pursue that particular subplot and as such it will have no bearing on your individual playthrough.

Sadly I think the execution of this would be pretty bad,m because at some point you have to give the player obvious cues that a romance can happen and I think if that option comes up for every character no matter the gender it starts to just become less believable as a story.

I am not condemning or saying it will ruin story but story integrity is important, maybe not to you but obviously to BioWare.  If the setting feels less believable the story suffers.

[Saskuatch]

uberman409 wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

You guys were being called aberrations just a few weeks ago, now you are shutting down the gay-romance train.

Dissapointed in you tali-lovers, very, very disappointed.

Yea. If I wanna see two male Kroga-OH GOD NO! EYE BLEACH! THE PLATES, THE PLATES!

two male krogans probably do it all the time, I mean think about it, species lacking females, two manly men out in the battlefield together shedding blood sweat and tears together, you know what they said about Alexander the great

[Naltair]

Radahldo wrote...

You guys were being called aberrations just a few weeks ago, now you are shutting down the gay-romance train.

Dissapointed in you tali-lovers, very, very disappointed.

I hope you are not referring to me, I am not against it just saying that isn't the way the character is written as of now.  Once can be disappointed all they like but that is just how it is.

[uberman409]

Saskuatch wrote...

uberman409 wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

You guys were being called aberrations just a few weeks ago, now you are shutting down the gay-romance train.

Dissapointed in you tali-lovers, very, very disappointed.

Yea. If I wanna see two male Kroga-OH GOD NO! EYE BLEACH! THE PLATES, THE PLATES!

two male krogans probably do it all the time, I mean think about it, species lacking females, two manly men out in the battlefield together shedding blood sweat and tears together, you know what they said about Alexander the great

I'm gonna go AFK and open my veins now to escape that image. If the image follows me to wherever I go, I may ask the resident bossman of that place to destroy my soul simply so that I don't have that image. '_'

[Naltair]

Console Cowboy wrote...

i must have missed the conversation where Tali declares her heterosexuality.

Does anyone ever just declare the sexuality?  Do you make a declaration of your orientation?  I doubt most people do, it is an assumption till proven false.  Common sense people, let's not get all semantics here this is just normal interaction.  If she hits on male Shepard and not female Shepard then ergo at this point in time she likes the men folks.

The end.

Or at least male humans.

Modifié par Naltair, 01 février 2010 - 02:33 .

[grumpymooselion]

Naltair wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...
In all honesty, the very fact that you can talk to Tali in this way, and take it this far, as a Female Shepard . . . suggests that wether or not it will be possible in ME3 . . . they (Bioware) seem to have thought about it. Either they decided against it period, at some point and it got cut . . . or perhaps they're saving it. Who knows. Only Bioware I'd assume.

Considering she can die, I think the romance would be at least be consumated  before the suicide mission.  Also if you looked at other posts you will see that Quarians see linking suits as a sign of trust and intimacy between friends and lovers.  Tali's mother linked suits with the admiral from the trial when Tali was born so they could both spend time with the newborn Tali. 

"got cut"

You missed this. The suit linking thing is suggestive that they at one time considered it. That's all. Wether they decided against it, and cut it out or whether they're planning to use it later - only they know. I stated as much. There's nothing that says it won't, there's nothing that says it will.

Maybe there is some budding relationship but the fact it isn't pursued in this game says to me that she is at this time not a female romance option.

This seems to be stating the obvious . . . if she could have a relationship like that at this time, there wouldn't be a thread of this specific sort at all.

I am not sure how clearly I can say, maybe next game it can change but considering she may not even be alive, it seems a little awkward.  But who knows you may be correct.  But for the time being she is not considered a romance in the "conventional" achievement sense.

I don't follow. She isn't a romance option. There's an outright suggestion that at one time Bioware at least considered it. It's not there now. It bears discussion by those that are interested in the topic.

Now you can read into it all you want but the nuts and bolts of the argument is that she is not one now.  I will not indulge in speculation or interpretation because it is quite clear with the current game as is.

So? What are you doing here then? Go somewhere else. You apparently don't want to be here by your own choice of words.

Naltair wrote...

Console Cowboy wrote...

i must have missed the conversation where Tali declares her heterosexuality.

Does
anyone ever just declare the sexuality?  Do you make a declaration of
your orientation?  I doubt most people do, it is an assumption till
proven false.  Common sense people, let's not get all semantics here
this is just normal interaction.  If she hits on male Shepard and not
female Shepard then ergo at this point in time she likes the men folks.

The end.

Or at least male humans.

Really annoying people tend to wave their sexuality in everyone's faces. It's really annoying. Great you're . . . whatever . . . you didn't need to hold up a sign. It's one of my problems with Jack's character - mind you she doesn't do this with her sexuality, so I'm not refering to that - but she holds up a sign like that. It's an annoying trait in anyone when they're prone to blurting out stuff that not everyone may really want to know.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 01 février 2010 - 02:36 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Tali does hit on fems a little. She gets really embarrassed about admitting she wants to link suits.



It's not overt, but it can easily be read as a sign of interest.

[Kyero]

uberman409 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

SkywardDescent wrote...

Shala Raan linked suits with Tali's mother, doesn't necessarily mean they love each other.

Exactly.

Or, Tali's mother had a lesbian affair with Shala Raan.

LET THE SHIPPING AND SLASHFICS BEGIN!

she linked up her suit to help with the delevory idiots. nothing more...

I'm suprised this is still going on...

[SomethinNothing]

Naltair wrote...

Sadly I think the execution of this would be pretty bad,m because at some point you have to give the player obvious cues that a romance can happen and I think if that option comes up for every character no matter the gender it starts to just become less believable as a story.

I am not condemning or saying it will ruin story but story integrity is important, maybe not to you but obviously to BioWare.  If the setting feels less believable the story suffers.

Of course there will be obvious cues, but that doesn't mean you have to take them. All it has to be is a dialogue choice similar to what we have in ME2. An "I want you" or "I find you attractive" or "Sexy times nao plox?" or maybe pink colored text or some other signal that makes it apparent chosing an option will start up a romantic subplot. If you take that choice then it starts getting into the romantic stuff, if not then it avoids it completely.

If you're honestly saying that simply seeing that option on the dialogue wheel would destroy any sense of cohesion the story has then I'd say your priorities as far as what's important to the game's storyline are a bit off.

[uberman409]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Tali does hit on fems a little. She gets really embarrassed about admitting she wants to link suits.

It's not overt, but it can easily be read as a sign of interest.

At least in a Femshep/Tali relationship, there is much less of a chance of shooting a potentially toxic mixture into her.

edit: @Kyero - You can't take a joke so suck it and GTFO. This thread is far from srs bsnss.

Modifié par uberman409, 01 février 2010 - 02:37 .

[Naltair]

Why so combative, I am not attacking anyone just stating the facts as given.



I would like to see a reference to it being cut by the way assuming something was cut does not mean something was actually cut.



She is NOT a romance option for females, this is fact even if you decide to interpret her words differently the outcome is still pretty clear. That is all I am saying.



If she is then go for it, but for me it starts to cheapen the setting when every alien female becomes instantly bisexual.

[Naltair]

SomethinNothing wrote...
If you're honestly saying that simply seeing that option on the dialogue wheel would destroy any sense of cohesion the story has then I'd say your priorities as far as what's important to the game's storyline are a bit off.

So for sake of argument would Han Solo still be the same character if he all of sudden started making out or flirting with Luke?  The story in no way shape or form would change?

Modifié par Naltair, 01 février 2010 - 02:39 .

[grumpymooselion]

uberman409 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Tali does hit on fems a little. She gets really embarrassed about admitting she wants to link suits.

It's not overt, but it can easily be read as a sign of interest.

At least in a Femshep/Tali relationship, there is much less of a chance of shooting a potentially toxic mixture into her.

edit: @Kyero - You can't take a joke so suck it and GTFO. This thread is far from srs bsnss.

Ew.

I still think her reactions to the discussion with Female Shepard are cute. It's obvious a discussion she has feelings about, enough so that they come out physically - her shyness over the subject results in those adorable body movements and gestures that really just . . . well . . . humanize the character, I suppose.

[Kyero]

Naltair wrote...


If she is then go for it, but for me it starts to cheapen the setting when every alien female becomes instantly bisexual.

Agree'd me and Naltair wouldn't care if they made her bi In mass effect 2, but they didn't and changing that in DLC or mass effect 3 would be stupid.

[novanIV]

Console Cowboy wrote...

i must have missed the conversation where Tali declares her heterosexuality.

Actually, as much as my female shepard
would like to get it on with Tali, I wouldn't have minded this
conversation existing, I seem to recall someone mentioning they
actually got this with Jack with a fem Shepard, I didn't, but I
didn't try.

That said, between my hug with her, her saying
she'd link suits with me, and that my Shepard picking every dialogue
option which showed she'd do anything for Tali, I'm putting Tali in
my pile of "Lesbian conquests that were not actually programed
into the game." If Bioware wants to indulge me by putting it
into the game in ME3, I will enjoy it immensity. If they keep her
straight I'll continue along the BFF/sudo-lesbian route and enjoy the
male Shepard I made for the purpose of hooking up with her.

[Saskuatch]

Naltair wrote...

Why so combative, I am not attacking anyone just stating the facts as given.

I would like to see a reference to it being cut by the way assuming something was cut does not mean something was actually cut.

She is NOT a romance option for females, this is fact even if you decide to interpret her words differently the outcome is still pretty clear. That is all I am saying.

If she is then go for it, but for me it starts to cheapen the setting when every alien female becomes instantly bisexual.

but it isnt cheapened already by every alien being a xenophile and the crew supposed to be saving the galaxy has all slept with their commander? I mean you can sleep with liara, have a personal stripper, sleep with jack, sleep with miranda, in the same story line and that does not cheapen the setting for you? Really?

[uberman409]

Janan Pacha wrote...

uberman409 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Tali does hit on fems a little. She gets really embarrassed about admitting she wants to link suits.

It's not overt, but it can easily be read as a sign of interest.

At least in a Femshep/Tali relationship, there is much less of a chance of shooting a potentially toxic mixture into her.

edit: @Kyero - You can't take a joke so suck it and GTFO. This thread is far from srs bsnss.

Ew.

I still think her reactions to the discussion with Female Shepard are cute. It's obvious a discussion she has feelings about, enough so that they come out physically - her shyness over the subject results in those adorable body movements and gestures that really just . . . well . . . humanize the character, I suppose.

I have a point, though, do I not?

Also, I don't think that Tali should be humanized. She's a Quarian. '_'

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Naltair wrote...
If she is then go for it, but for me it starts to cheapen the setting when every alien female becomes instantly bisexual.

Or in this case, just the one.

That's my point here. One person said they wanted a Tali femshep romance and you automatically turned that into a campaign to get every single female bisexual.

Okay, from now on every time someone makes a topic about Tali, Garrus, or Thane romance I'm going to swoop in and yell at them for wanting to turn every romance into an alien romance regardless of what the original poster was trying to say.