Given Harbinger's rants (can it be called a rant if it's the same 5 lines repeated ad nauseum?) about being the "Harbinger of your Ascension" and how they are your "salvation", I get the impression that to the mind of the Reapers (or at least Harbinger), they're actually doing us piddly little organics a favor: that of allowing an organic race to ascend to the god-like perfection of the Reapers. Sure, it wipes out the entire civilization that they're "ascending", but hey, what's a little genocide compared with the ability for your race to ascend to perfection?
So what is the reapers goal in wiping everything out every so often?
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#77
Posté 15 février 2010 - 07:57
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What I'd like to know is where this 50000 thousand year figure came from.
From what I can gather there is nothing in the game which states that the reapers come every 50000 years, the cycle before the Protheans could have 140000 thousand years ago, and the one before that a million.
Or am I wrong?
From what I can gather there is nothing in the game which states that the reapers come every 50000 years, the cycle before the Protheans could have 140000 thousand years ago, and the one before that a million.
Or am I wrong?
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 08:09
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It's in Mass Effect 1. 50,000 years is a simplification, but it's roughly true according to the experts in the ME universe.Lord_Metal666 wrote...
What I'd like to know is where this 50000 thousand year figure came from.
From what I can gather there is nothing in the game which states that the reapers come every 50000 years, the cycle before the Protheans could have 140000 thousand years ago, and the one before that a million.
Or am I wrong?
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 08:13
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Reapers don't want resources, that is a organic need. They were one of the first (if not the first) species in the galaxy who conquest the entire galaxy and eventually go out of resources, the galaxy is not infinite there are limitations and organics grow without any control consuming everything, in that process, they stop the evolution of other species. At the end, that first civilization made the reapers, because there were no other way to keep living. They made his ascension to a superior state of life.
They are protectors of the galaxy. Every 50.000 years they come and prepare the species who reach space for ascension because this is the only way to exist at certain point, maybe not every 50.000 years but at the end, this is the only way. Some species are choose, i don't know wy or what the requirements are, maybe those who fight to live, maybe those who at the end will understand the purpose of the reapers way of life, or just the compatibility with the reaper tech.
Being a reaper is the "pinacle" of evolution, eventually this time, one species will dominate over the rest (humans i guess) as always happened before. Reapers know about organics mistakes, about the "we only care about yourself" "oh, see there, that planets is excelent for colonization but there are space monkeys who will become a intelligent species in 150.000 years, who cares? Let's do our colony and frak off those stupid monkeys!", so the reapers help evolving us to preserve us as a species but becoming a Reaper, a "being" who doesn't need all the resources that a organic life need, and with that, comes the chance to other species to evolve, grow, and, later, get the chance to reach ascension through destruction.
I don't know if i make my point, i'm not good writing walls text in English, anyway if i have made mistakes just correct me i'll edit. Thank you ^^
They are protectors of the galaxy. Every 50.000 years they come and prepare the species who reach space for ascension because this is the only way to exist at certain point, maybe not every 50.000 years but at the end, this is the only way. Some species are choose, i don't know wy or what the requirements are, maybe those who fight to live, maybe those who at the end will understand the purpose of the reapers way of life, or just the compatibility with the reaper tech.
Being a reaper is the "pinacle" of evolution, eventually this time, one species will dominate over the rest (humans i guess) as always happened before. Reapers know about organics mistakes, about the "we only care about yourself" "oh, see there, that planets is excelent for colonization but there are space monkeys who will become a intelligent species in 150.000 years, who cares? Let's do our colony and frak off those stupid monkeys!", so the reapers help evolving us to preserve us as a species but becoming a Reaper, a "being" who doesn't need all the resources that a organic life need, and with that, comes the chance to other species to evolve, grow, and, later, get the chance to reach ascension through destruction.
I don't know if i make my point, i'm not good writing walls text in English, anyway if i have made mistakes just correct me i'll edit. Thank you ^^
#80
Posté 15 février 2010 - 08:14
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I think Sovereign is still alive, just look at his name it means "king" or "leader". He was probably the leader of the Reapers and when he died he just downloaded his consciousness back to a vessel in the reaper fleet.
Like legion said, the vessels are just "platforms" for the programs, all platforms share in the memories of other platforms, as long as there is a single construct to house these programs and memories
I think we'll see Sovereign again in ME3!
Like legion said, the vessels are just "platforms" for the programs, all platforms share in the memories of other platforms, as long as there is a single construct to house these programs and memories
I think we'll see Sovereign again in ME3!
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 08:15
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Reapers are part machine, but part organic. Kill its body and it dies.OfTheFaintSmile wrote...
I think Sovereign is still alive, just look at his name it means "king" or "leader". He was probably the leader of the Reapers and when he died he just downloaded his consciousness back to a vessel in the reaper fleet.
Like legion said, the vessels are just "platforms" for the programs, all platforms share in the memories of other platforms, as long as there is a single construct to house these programs and memories
I think we'll see Sovereign again in ME3!
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 08:19
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the munchies, they stay up way late past their bedtime for 50000 years and then they stumble down into the milky way kitchen and eat everything in the fridge
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 10:27
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scyphozoa wrote...
the munchies, they stay up way late past their bedtime for 50000 years and then they stumble down into the milky way kitchen and eat everything in the fridge
So they're space bogans.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 10:35
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Like all farmers, clear away the old growth to make room for the new.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 11:52
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OfTheFaintSmile wrote...
I think Sovereign is still alive, just look at his name it means "king" or "leader". He was probably the leader of the Reapers and when he died he just downloaded his consciousness back to a vessel in the reaper fleet.
from mass effect wiki
It is revealed by Legion that the name Sovereign was coined by Saren, while the name the Reaper used to identify itself originally was Nazara.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 12:07
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The idea that each race becomes its own Reaper interests me. It'd be interesting to see if each one takes on characteristics of the race it was made from. I want to see a salarian reaper that talks really fast in sentence fragments. "Yes, yes, vanguard of your doom, harvest you, kill you, make you into new machine, ascend, so on, back to work"
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 12:24
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I think this whole your destruction will be your salvation thing is all about the reduction of life to its' essential dna. For the Reapers, and indeed a lot of scientists, life is really all about the dna, not the 'pilot' ie you of any particular collection of genes. Thus, the Reapers want our dna, not us.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 12:25
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The inference was that only the most successful race from each reaping would be attempted made into a Reaper.Chief Savage Man wrote...
The idea that each race becomes its own Reaper interests me. It'd be interesting to see if each one takes on characteristics of the race it was made from. I want to see a salarian reaper that talks really fast in sentence fragments. "Yes, yes, vanguard of your doom, harvest you, kill you, make you into new machine, ascend, so on, back to work"
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 06:03
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I'm not sure I buy procreation as a motive. We procreate because, as Sovereign says, we wither and die, it's how organic life continues despite entropy. The Reapers, again in Sovereigns words, are eternal, with no beginning and no end. So thats just some of them? "Yep, I'm eternal, but little Kevin over there is only four million. Aren't you Kev?" They clearly don't need numbers to achieve their goals, so they're just procreating to procreate? If they're dumb enough to have not studied their own motives in the last few billion years, Shepard can probably defeat them with such tactics as "look behind you" or shouting "two plus two equals five" and watching their carapaces explode.
Then theres the fact that it's the collectors building the human reaper, clearly thats new. If the act of Reaping is turning up and turning every spacefaring sentient into construction epoxy, why are they building one beforehand? When they finally get there is the plan to kick back for a while, as they subbed the work out already? Maybe they'll hit the beach. Take in some waves. As it's this construction the theory is based upon, it has some weak legs. The theory that is. The Reaper didn't have any legs. (Though why they thought the collectors would come in handy at some point is a bit of a mystery, it's not like they were big on the whole Keeper thing.)
Of course, without the theory we're left with what else they'd be doing, beyond just being really nasty. They don't think much of the Geth, so imposing the order of the grave doesn't seem to be the key. Resources for something else seems odd, because thats an awfully complicated collection method. Strip mining would be more efficient and considerably quicker, and if organic matter are their bricks and mortar, straight up battery farming seems the way ahead.
Maybe it's more spiritual, the plain of existence far beyond our realm needs a cheap migrant worker force and the reapers are the guys with trucks and your passport.
Then theres the fact that it's the collectors building the human reaper, clearly thats new. If the act of Reaping is turning up and turning every spacefaring sentient into construction epoxy, why are they building one beforehand? When they finally get there is the plan to kick back for a while, as they subbed the work out already? Maybe they'll hit the beach. Take in some waves. As it's this construction the theory is based upon, it has some weak legs. The theory that is. The Reaper didn't have any legs. (Though why they thought the collectors would come in handy at some point is a bit of a mystery, it's not like they were big on the whole Keeper thing.)
Of course, without the theory we're left with what else they'd be doing, beyond just being really nasty. They don't think much of the Geth, so imposing the order of the grave doesn't seem to be the key. Resources for something else seems odd, because thats an awfully complicated collection method. Strip mining would be more efficient and considerably quicker, and if organic matter are their bricks and mortar, straight up battery farming seems the way ahead.
Maybe it's more spiritual, the plain of existence far beyond our realm needs a cheap migrant worker force and the reapers are the guys with trucks and your passport.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 06:34
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AlphaJarmel wrote...
Jigero wrote...
AlphaJarmel wrote...
Jigero wrote...
Who said the reapers are immortal? for all we know the machine side of them maybe immortal, but the organics might need replacing, they might even go bad after 50,000 years and need a fresh supply. Also Reapers aren't the squid ships, that's just a vessel of the reapers, the reapers are just a collection of minds with in the vessel.
They're pretty damn close to immortal. If you can last 50,000 years in hibernation in dark space then you're for all intents and purposes, immortal. Just because it hasn't been tested yet doesn't make it false.
immortal by human standard but to them 50,000 year may just be a weekend break, Albert Einstein said all time is relative. The Asari don't veiw them self as immortal, but they live alot longer then any other race.
Again I don't think duration is a problem for them. When you reach into the millions of years category, you've pretty much become immortal. All of their ships look pretty pristine and capable.
Being immortal doesnt equate to living a long time. So there is no "might as well be". You either are or you aren't. As Jigero stated, Albert Einstein explained that all time is relative. If a dog was far more intelligent, it would think a human's life is grand in comparison. To us, life is short. Relativity.
There is little evidence to believe a Reaper is "immortal". Just by their actions of reproduction alone lends itself more towards not. At least far more than I'd believe them to be immortal... Metals rust, organics decompose, only so much can be patched and maintained. This is no better realized than the Quarian's Flotilla.
