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[GregorLightbringer]

With one of my other runthroughs, I did try to convince her to let me be King, but after she suggested that I "might get Alistar to bend over for me" I wanted to smack her upside the HEAD! She could rule with a BLACK EYE, da hoe!!!! Plus she made me think by some of her comments she was a lesbian for some reason. Just my oppinion.

[errant_knight]

Airyle wrote...

It seems to me that there are an aweful lot of female players for Dragonage. It also seems to me that bioware employees are very active in these forums. DA:O I think was a good start to being aware of the sort of things that female players would enjoy:

-A happy ending
-Not sharing our men
-The hope for children (or the option to never ever ever have kids)
Good looking light armor that doesn't look like my female rogue is cold all the time (ok I put that one in for myself since I like being a rogue so much)
-A chance to pull all of Morrigan's hair out (come on! the guys want a girl fight too!)

I have a lot of faith that future installments will probably have more girl friendly options/endings.

Well, not all women want that.... (although I dislike the female rogue armor, too. Beyond silly to have the chest exposed like that). I like it that virtually all the choices in the game aren't simple, including the ending. If it was simple, there'd be no difficulty in making the choice, it would just be a given. There'd be no consequences, or potential ramifications to add to the story in future expansions/games. Complex choices are more interesting that straight forward ones in terms of storytelling. And, after all the dark choices you have to make in the game, it would seem odd if suddenly you were handed a simple happy ending. I don't see the ending as unfriendly to women, I see it as good writing for people.

Modifié par errant_knight, 01 février 2010 - 05:40 .

[odiedragon]

ejoslin wrote...
In truth, I would have been disappointed had the choices at the end been easy and if there weren't tradeoffs. I can't be the only woman gamer who prefers it this way. There are a couple of options for fairy tale romance endings here, but even they have their shades of darkness. 

This.

But, as I stated above, what really irks me is that you probably won't even get a chance to try and solve the problems you've created/are dealing with.  I could be wrong on that, of course, but it's my gut feeling about the situation.

[Riona45]

ejoslin wrote...


In truth, I would have been disappointed had the choices at the end been easy and if there weren't tradeoffs. I can't be the only woman gamer who prefers it this way. There are a couple of options for fairy tale romance endings here, but even they have their shades of darkness. 

I'm a female gamer and I feel much as you do--given the tone of the game it seems fitting to me that the "happy" endings wouldn't be perfect.

[blademaster7]

Well, in my HN playthrough I haven't even considered marrying Anora. I hardened Alistair and let him rule on his own. I have enough infuence on the king already, he still owes me my boon by the way No need to get power hungry.

With that being said, my character is going to be the father of a bastard child he'll probably never see. So, instead
of a nice opening cut-scene where you're king and have your wife by your side, I'll get an alternative cut-scene where my character is in a tavern drinking to death.

Modifié par blademaster7, 01 février 2010 - 05:56 .

[SurelyForth]

ejoslin wrote...

I actually LIKE the Morrigan choice. I also like the fact that even the happy endings are a bit shaded. I love that the flavor of the game is different depending on whether you're playing a male or female PC. I like that you can play this game as a horrible tragedy or one of hope.

In truth, I would have been disappointed had the choices at the end been easy and if there weren't tradeoffs. I can't be the only woman gamer who prefers it this way. There are a couple of options for fairy tale romance endings here, but even they have their shades of darkness.

To me, Morrigan's ritual is not about sharing one's man as it is about creating . . . something . . . You can have your white knight even if you can't marry him (unless HNF or if you don't make him king), but it comes at a cost.

This.  I think being able to marry Alistair AND have a happy little family would be too...pat. It would also be the sort of plot development that would inevitably bring heartbreak- all happiness in DAO has to come with a side of woe after all  My guess is that if the PC could have Bryce Duncan Theirin, she would die in childbirth or Alistair would choke on some cheese a few days later. 

My favorite character, an HN warrior, did not make herself queen, but chose to be Alistair's Chancellor.  She feels like she can be just as effective in that position and not have to sweat the decorum. Win-win!

[errant_knight]

SurelyForth wrote...
I think being able to marry Alistair AND have a happy little family would be too...pat. It would also be the sort of plot development that would inevitably bring heartbreak- all happiness in DAO has to come with a side of woe after all  My guess is that if the PC could have Bryce Duncan Theirin, she would die in childbirth or Alistair would choke on some cheese a few days later. 

My favorite character, an HN warrior, did not make herself queen, but chose to be Alistair's Chancellor.  She feels like she can be just as effective in that position and not have to sweat the decorum. Win-win!

Lol! Yes. Exactly, especially the cheese.. The greatest possibility for happiness for Alistair and the PC is if they have a big problem looming over their heads. Anything else means certain death.

One of my PC's was going to go the chancellor route, but I had to back out. She was so upset about getting dumped that she almost got the whole party killed at Redcliff. She just didn't have her head in the game. I'll probably go back and finish that choice to the end now that there's some distance from the event, but at the time, it was just too depressing.

[GregorLightbringer]

Somebody should write on the choices they made as whatever origin. Call it "Memoirs of a Grey Warden." or somesuch.

[Barbarossa2010]

I just don't see any trade off with the Dark Ritual. My PC personally gained nothing, but a crushing kick in the Ba!!s. If that's great story telling, then I need to move on. There is plenty of complexity in the decision-making throughout this game. The Dark Ritual was not part of that. It was a heavy handed plot bridge to a sequel. What will really suck, is if DA2 jumps past the lifetime of my current Warden and we only get to see the consequence associated with the Dark Ritual.

That's a deal breaker for me. I don't game to get kicked in the crotch, especially after achieving 62 in strength, Shield Mastery, Coercion/Intimidation of 4, Survival of 4, cutting a swath through Darkspawn, Bandits, Mages, Demons, High Dragons and Archdemons only to be neutralized and handed contrived choices completely out of character for my PC at the Dark Ritual, all for the sake of a plot bridge.

It wasn't complexity or even good story telling. Making my PC care about Morrigan was good story-telling. The Dark Ritual was a plot device, a plot device with massive consequences, but a plot device nonetheless. My PC could have cared less about the consequences. Love is selfish as Wynne told him. He slept with her to have more time to find out what was going on and convince her to stay or come clean. Him being made a chump, having all in-character options removed suddenly, after all he accomplished for the good of Ferelden was not complexity, but a poor ending. His counterpart Warden will be sacrificing himself on the current playthrough. It's much more noble than playing patsy as Morrigan is allowed to remain vague, condescending and in-character.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 01 février 2010 - 10:39 .

[RangerSG]

GregorLightbringer wrote...

Somebody should write on the choices they made as whatever origin. Call it "Memoirs of a Grey Warden." or somesuch.

I like this idea. Maybe next playthrough I should do this on my blog. Except that the next playthrough was going to be a rather dark PC, people may not like the choices that one makes. But yeah, this would be fun sometime. I used to write AARs for Europa Universalis II. It was a blast.

[TheBlackBaron]

blademaster7 wrote...

Well, in my HN playthrough I haven't even considered marrying Anora. I hardened Alistair and let him rule on his own. I have enough infuence on the king already, he still owes me my boon by the way No need to get power hungry.

With that being said, my character is going to be the father of a bastard child he'll probably never see. So, instead
of a nice opening cut-scene where you're king and have your wife by your side, I'll get an alternative cut-scene where my character is in a tavern drinking to death.

*laughs*

So we basically get Alistair's super-crappy ending happen to us then. Great.

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Still, this means I can write that musical based on Awakening and use a bunch of instrumental grunge and alt-metal instead of showtunes.

[blademaster7]

TheBlackBaron wrote...



So we basically get Alistair's super-crappy ending happen to us then. Great.

That's the only ending I could imagine for someone who did the "Morrigan romance playthrough".

Your previous post is pretty much a summary about what I feel(and every other player out there who went this route) about my character.

I would absolutely hate to load up the next installment of DA and see my character reduced to a codex entry, a footnote somewhere. Unless they plan on continuing with the same "Grey Wardens fighting darkspawn" storyline(it will get stale eventually).

[TheBlackBaron]

I think that's how everybody feels, no matter what their choices were and no matter what their ending was. It just has a particular significance to people who romanced Morrigan since there's no closure on that front from DA:O.

Still, as long as it gets resolved, I look upon this as an interesting chapter in my personal narrative of my character.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 02 février 2010 - 12:18 .

[SusanStoHelit]

Well, I have 3 human noble characters.

The male playthrough is finished, and he married Anora and is Prince-Consort (not Regent btw, that's an entirely different thing).

The two female playthroughs are not yet complete. In one of them I am romancing Alistair and plan to make myself loving Princess-Consort. In the other, I will be romancing Zevran and become Alistair's best friend and fellow warden - but I will make a political marriage with Alistair. Zevran will be my lover on the side, and potentially the father of my kids. (No way is Anora getting the throne in either case.) Or that's the plan, anyway, lol.

Edit: Oh, and my male Cousland romanced Morrigan. I thought that romance was really well done, and I liked the ending. Morrigan was consistent with her stated beliefs about love from start to finish. I don't know why all the guys are so shocked. Before you even kiss her she tells you that love is meaningless; she doesn't say it's not real, that it doesn't exist, but she says right up front that is isn't important, that survival and power are important. My male Cousland went in with both eyes open, knowing her beliefs, and when she wanted to end it said the equivalent of "l'm sad you feel that's necessary, but it's your choice." Oh - and he did the ritual. Partly for old time's sake. Partly to spare his friend Alistair who would've been scared to death. And partly because he thinks she's trying to save Urthemiel. Down with the Chantry! All hail the new god!

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 02 février 2010 - 12:45 .

[TheBlackBaron]

See, I'd read that the title you get form marrying Anora is Regent. Didn't make much sense to me, but having never gone down that route...well, yeah, you get the picture. Prince-Consort is much more in line with the other endings involving your PC marrying into the royals.

[SusanStoHelit]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

See, I'd read that the title you get form marrying Anora is Regent. Didn't make much sense to me, but having never gone down that route...well, yeah, you get the picture. Prince-Consort is much more in line with the other endings involving your PC marrying into the royals.

It's just that *shamefaced confession* I'm a pedant. :innocent:

A regent is someone who rules in place of a royal personage who is unfit or unable to rule by reason of age or illness or something like that. Someone who was a regent for Anora would be ruling instead of her because she was unfit to rule for some reason - actually, I kinda like that idea, lol.

A Prince-Consort, Queen-Consort, or whatever is simply someone married to a ruler - and they generally have no right to rule themselves. If they did, they would be King or Queen, plain and simple. In fact, Anora was only ever Cailan's Queen-Consort, insofar as I've been able to find out. She was never Queen in her own right. 'Queen' is just a simple short form, but I'm not surprised people get confused.

[RangerSG]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

Well, I have 3 human noble characters.

The male playthrough is finished, and he married Anora and is Prince-Consort (not Regent btw, that's an entirely different thing).

The two female playthroughs are not yet complete. In one of them I am romancing Alistair and plan to make myself loving Princess-Consort. In the other, I will be romancing Zevran and become Alistair's best friend and fellow warden - but I will make a political marriage with Alistair. Zevran will be my lover on the side, and potentially the father of my kids. (No way is Anora getting the throne in either case.) Or that's the plan, anyway, lol.

Edit: Oh, and my male Cousland romanced Morrigan. I thought that romance was really well done, and I liked the ending. Morrigan was consistent with her stated beliefs about love from start to finish. I don't know why all the guys are so shocked. Before you even kiss her she tells you that love is meaningless; she doesn't say it's not real, that it doesn't exist, but she says right up front that is isn't important, that survival and power are important. My male Cousland went in with both eyes open, knowing her beliefs, and when she wanted to end it said the equivalent of "l'm sad you feel that's necessary, but it's your choice." Oh - and he did the ritual. Partly for old time's sake. Partly to spare his friend Alistair who would've been scared to death. And partly because he thinks she's trying to save Urthemiel. Down with the Chantry! All hail the new god!

My HMN was romancing Lel, and went through with the 'proposal.' But when I talked to Lel, I was so gutted. She just gave me those puppy dog eyes and said,  "Do you love her?" And I had to say, "No, but this is best for Ferelden."  And she didn't even scream, she just said, "Then it's best if you let me go."

I reloaded right there. Couldn't do that to her. So it's going to be solo-Anora for that one. And I'll have to do the Morrigan romance for the Prince-Consort.

[SusanStoHelit]

RangerSG wrote...

My HMN was romancing Lel, and went through with the 'proposal.' But when I talked to Lel, I was so gutted. She just gave me those puppy dog eyes and said,  "Do you love her?" And I had to say, "No, but this is best for Ferelden."  And she didn't even scream, she just said, "Then it's best if you let me go."

I reloaded right there. Couldn't do that to her. So it's going to be solo-Anora for that one. And I'll have to do the Morrigan romance for the Prince-Consort. 

Yah, that's why I said that for the two females I have a 'plan'. It wouldn't be the first time if I found I couldn't go through with it, lol. The male one is finished - although I had to do the ending 4 times. Because the stupid game kept killing Alistair. Not saying he was dead, you understand, actually killing him off even though I left him alive after the battle at the gates. I ended up having to take him with me - even though we were both tanks.

[Thor Rand Al]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

Well, I have 3 human noble characters.

The male playthrough is finished, and he married Anora and is Prince-Consort (not Regent btw, that's an entirely different thing).

The two female playthroughs are not yet complete. In one of them I am romancing Alistair and plan to make myself loving Princess-Consort. In the other, I will be romancing Zevran and become Alistair's best friend and fellow warden - but I will make a political marriage with Alistair. Zevran will be my lover on the side, and potentially the father of my kids. (No way is Anora getting the throne in either case.) Or that's the plan, anyway, lol.

Edit: Oh, and my male Cousland romanced Morrigan. I thought that romance was really well done, and I liked the ending. Morrigan was consistent with her stated beliefs about love from start to finish. I don't know why all the guys are so shocked. Before you even kiss her she tells you that love is meaningless; she doesn't say it's not real, that it doesn't exist, but she says right up front that is isn't important, that survival and power are important. My male Cousland went in with both eyes open, knowing her beliefs, and when she wanted to end it said the equivalent of "l'm sad you feel that's necessary, but it's your choice." Oh - and he did the ritual. Partly for old time's sake. Partly to spare his friend Alistair who would've been scared to death. And partly because he thinks she's trying to save Urthemiel. Down with the Chantry! All hail the new god!

I think I've gone overboard on mine... Right now I've just been working on the human noble origins n I've got a game save for each ending, just for the human male there are about 4 or 5 different endings lol