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[AlphaJarmel]

Really that is why ME2 sucked in the story regards. We pretty much got nowhere in how to deal with the Reapers. The Reaper fleet is still much larger and much much much better than all the fleets put together. It took most of Humanity's fleet to take down Sovereign. Now imagine if there had been another Reaper there backing up Sovereign. Not one single ship would have made it out of there. What about three? They literally have enough ships that they could send two or three per system and obliterate everything there. Shepard has to find some sort of "Battlestar Galactica Cylon weakness". The reapers also have indoctrination and way advanced knowledge and tactics.

[ghost277]

Fates end wrote...

heh, my memory is foggy. Did TIM ever mention if the gun that disabled that reaper we board was a space-based weapon? or land-based? If it was aboard a ship, well...I doubt that thing even exists anymore. But if it was land-based, perhaps our galaxy could find it and copy the design. Something big enough to drive a canyon through a planet with a glancing blow and still have enough power to disable a reaper Can I haz?
 

If i remember correctly, I think this they used a Mass Acceleretor Cannon (MAC)....I think it's time to call the Halo universe into this .

But on a more serious note, with the extra help of the geth and rachni, I think there is more a chance that the reapers could be defeated, as long as all the space-fairing race work together to take down teh Reaper threat. I was just wondering though, it would be pretty cool if the Prothean scientist team that went on the Citadel to change the Keeper code somehow survived and somehow manage to repopulate. Then we would have kick-a** Prothean tech on our side.

It would be also be really weird if  the Reaper fleet was destroyed, there would be no one managing the long-lasted cycle. What if inorder for the universe to survive, there would have to be a limit on technology. Since the Reapers are dead, there are no longer any boundaries in technological upgrades. Eventually, there would probably be a war and weapons beyond our imigination could be activated causing the destruction of any life (down to an atom). What if destroying the Reapers was actually a bad idea? Think about it, the Reapers are there for a reason and they destroy any fairly sentient life for a reason every hundred thousand years. Maybe the Reapers are controlling this cycle for stability or the universe?  Total mind****

[AlphaJarmel]

ghost277 wrote...

Fates end wrote...

heh, my memory is foggy. Did TIM ever mention if the gun that disabled that reaper we board was a space-based weapon? or land-based? If it was aboard a ship, well...I doubt that thing even exists anymore. But if it was land-based, perhaps our galaxy could find it and copy the design. Something big enough to drive a canyon through a planet with a glancing blow and still have enough power to disable a reaper Can I haz?
 

If i remember correctly, I think this they used a Mass Acceleretor Cannon (MAC)....I think it's time to call the Halo universe into this .

But on a more serious note, with the extra help of the geth and rachni, I think there is more a chance that the reapers could be defeated, as long as all the space-fairing race work together to take down teh Reaper threat. I was just wondering though, it would be pretty cool if the Prothean scientist team that went on the Citadel to change the Keeper code somehow survived and somehow manage to repopulate. Then we would have kick-a** Prothean tech on our side.

It would be also be really weird if  the Reaper fleet was destroyed, there would be no one managing the long-lasted cycle. What if inorder for the universe to survive, there would have to be a limit on technology. Since the Reapers are dead, there are no longer any boundaries in technological upgrades. Eventually, there would probably be a war and weapons beyond our imigination could be activated causing the destruction of any life (down to an atom). What if destroying the Reapers was actually a bad idea? Think about it, the Reapers are there for a reason and they destroy any fairly sentient life for a reason every hundred thousand years. Maybe the Reapers are controlling this cycle for stability or the universe?  Total mind****

The rachni are mostly land-based and the Geth still aren't as advanced as a Reaper ship.  Really no ship in any fleet can go toe to toe with a Reaper and any landbased weapon would be godly expensive and very limited.  The cost of putting that on every planet would destroy any economy.  Again there is pretty much nothing we know of that can destroy a Reaper armada currently.

[Nimander]

People keep trying to push the Reapers as pseudo-good guys. I do not agree with this, at all.



As for how to beat the Reapers? I think people are greatly inflating their abilities.



Yes. It took multiple ships to fight Sovereign, but it was not hundreds of dreadnaughts. The Alliance fought through the Geth and blew up Sovereign. Yes, he was distracted, but I'm pretty sure that Fifth Fleet doesn't have hundreds of ships. Remember, we only have what, 6 dreadnaughts in ME1?



Basically, each Reaper is the equivalent of half a fleet more or less. It's their NUMBERS and TECH that make them so dangerous. One reaper verses lots of ships actually might lose.



As to how we'll defeat these ships, I think Shephard should pull a Sheridan. Lure the Reapers into a trap. Blow up a sun. Ignite a black hole weapon using Eezo. Something like that.

[ghost277]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

ghost277 wrote...

Fates end wrote...

heh, my memory is foggy. Did TIM ever mention if the gun that disabled that reaper we board was a space-based weapon? or land-based? If it was aboard a ship, well...I doubt that thing even exists anymore. But if it was land-based, perhaps our galaxy could find it and copy the design. Something big enough to drive a canyon through a planet with a glancing blow and still have enough power to disable a reaper Can I haz?
 

If i remember correctly, I think this they used a Mass Acceleretor Cannon (MAC)....I think it's time to call the Halo universe into this .

But on a more serious note, with the extra help of the geth and rachni, I think there is more a chance that the reapers could be defeated, as long as all the space-fairing race work together to take down teh Reaper threat. I was just wondering though, it would be pretty cool if the Prothean scientist team that went on the Citadel to change the Keeper code somehow survived and somehow manage to repopulate. Then we would have kick-a** Prothean tech on our side.

It would be also be really weird if  the Reaper fleet was destroyed, there would be no one managing the long-lasted cycle. What if inorder for the universe to survive, there would have to be a limit on technology. Since the Reapers are dead, there are no longer any boundaries in technological upgrades. Eventually, there would probably be a war and weapons beyond our imigination could be activated causing the destruction of any life (down to an atom). What if destroying the Reapers was actually a bad idea? Think about it, the Reapers are there for a reason and they destroy any fairly sentient life for a reason every hundred thousand years. Maybe the Reapers are controlling this cycle for stability or the universe?  Total mind****

The rachni are mostly land-based and the Geth still aren't as advanced as a Reaper ship.  Really no ship in any fleet can go toe to toe with a Reaper and any landbased weapon would be godly expensive and very limited.  The cost of putting that on every planet would destroy any economy.  Again there is pretty much nothing we know of that can destroy a Reaper armada currently.

Though the Rachni were hive-mind, they were a spacefaring species. Example; Saren found the Rachni Queen's eggs on a Rachni ship. Also if I remember correctly, on the news in ME2, you can hear reports of people seeing spaceships with Rachni designs.

Though the Geth aren't as advanced as the Reapers, they are more advance than other Citadel races. They also have a large number of units that are pretty effective in combat.

We (at least Ceberus) have proof of a weapon capable of destroying a Reaper; the derelict Reaper is an example of this. The weapon is now defunct, but I'm pretty sure if they can reverse-engineer the weapon and start mass producing them, we may have a chance.

Modifié par ghost277, 01 février 2010 - 10:35 .

[jimmyjoefro]

It's all about the beings of light on Klencory.

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 01 février 2010 - 10:41 .

[AlphaJarmel]

ghost277 wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

ghost277 wrote...

Fates end wrote...

heh, my memory is foggy. Did TIM ever mention if the gun that disabled that reaper we board was a space-based weapon? or land-based? If it was aboard a ship, well...I doubt that thing even exists anymore. But if it was land-based, perhaps our galaxy could find it and copy the design. Something big enough to drive a canyon through a planet with a glancing blow and still have enough power to disable a reaper Can I haz?
 

If i remember correctly, I think this they used a Mass Acceleretor Cannon (MAC)....I think it's time to call the Halo universe into this .

But on a more serious note, with the extra help of the geth and rachni, I think there is more a chance that the reapers could be defeated, as long as all the space-fairing race work together to take down teh Reaper threat. I was just wondering though, it would be pretty cool if the Prothean scientist team that went on the Citadel to change the Keeper code somehow survived and somehow manage to repopulate. Then we would have kick-a** Prothean tech on our side.

It would be also be really weird if  the Reaper fleet was destroyed, there would be no one managing the long-lasted cycle. What if inorder for the universe to survive, there would have to be a limit on technology. Since the Reapers are dead, there are no longer any boundaries in technological upgrades. Eventually, there would probably be a war and weapons beyond our imigination could be activated causing the destruction of any life (down to an atom). What if destroying the Reapers was actually a bad idea? Think about it, the Reapers are there for a reason and they destroy any fairly sentient life for a reason every hundred thousand years. Maybe the Reapers are controlling this cycle for stability or the universe?  Total mind****

The rachni are mostly land-based and the Geth still aren't as advanced as a Reaper ship.  Really no ship in any fleet can go toe to toe with a Reaper and any landbased weapon would be godly expensive and very limited.  The cost of putting that on every planet would destroy any economy.  Again there is pretty much nothing we know of that can destroy a Reaper armada currently.

Though the Rachni were hive-mind, they were a spacefaring species. Example; Saren found the Rachni Queen's eggs on a Rachni ship. Also if I remember correctly, on the news in ME2, you can hear reports of sighting spaceships with Rachni designs.

Though the Geth aren't as advanced as the Reapers, they are more advance than other Citadel races. They also have a large number of units that are pretty effective in combat.

We (at least Ceberus) have proof of a weapon capable of destroying a Reaper; the derelict Reaper is an example of this. The weapon is now defunct, but I'm pretty sure if they can reverse-engineer the weapon and start mass producing them, we may have a chance.

Ok again the Rachni WERE a space-faring civilization.  Them being wiped out has kinda reduced their numbers.  They again would have a very limited fleet at best and land forces are useless against it.

The Geth are more advanced but again Reapers are still leagues better as shown by talking with Legion and how the Heretics viewed them as gods.  The Reapers built the mass relays for god's sake.  Nobody has even been able to reverse engineer that!

If they did find the weapon that destroyed the Reaper, it would cost fortunes to mass produce those.  I mean you would literally have to build thousands of them to fight against the Reapers and no economy could produce those not to mention the resources as well.  That gun was essentially a one-shot deal from the Protheans as a final stand and if they could have mass produced it, I'm sure they would have.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 01 février 2010 - 10:39 .

[tsd16]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

I don't think it's going to be through combat of fleets. Probably some sort of super-weapon or virus that wipes out the Reapers collective.

There is absolutely NO WAY the entire universe could band together and destroy that fleet through normal battle. One reaper and a small Geth armada leveled the 3 council races armadas. Now imagine thousands of Reapers.

It's going to be some sort of infiltration and special weapon ending. I can almost guarantee it. Unless something universe changing is introduced in ME3.

Agreed, Obviously for the epicness of it, like ME1 this is how I think it will play out. 

Pretty sure the ending will involve all races united in space battling the reapers valiantly and hanging on by a thread until shep can do what he needs to do, to take out the reapers.

I cant help but think the events of ME2 were some sort of ruse.  As EDI said, countless amounts of Humans would have to get liquified to create that reaper, and again its one reaper, and basically one collector ship.  The Normandy itself took out the collector ship.  ME1 nullified the reapers ability to ME jump to citadel space from darkspace.   So they basically have to hoof it the old fashioned way.  So who knows how long it would have taken for that human reaper to be completed, and in my opinion, using Sovereign as an example, wouldnt really have been much of a threat.  The only threat sovereign posed, was his ability to get the other reapers a speed pass to citadel space.  Not his ability to conquer the civilizations of the universe, single handedly.  So in ME2 did Shep really manage to do anything outside saving a few million lives until the real threat gets here? (not to downplay it, but really, in ME1 the fate of all space faring beings in existence was at stake, in the swing of things, millions of humans isnt much).

I keep trying to look into it and find out how that bastard TIM is connected to the reapers, and how what we did in ME2 helped him.  I cant help but think, since the stakes werent as high as ME1, Shep was being used in a way he didnt forsee.  i mean I think everyone assumed TIM wanted to use shep for his own goals,  but I cant bump this feeling that his goals are far more nefarious than we had initially planned.

[atheelogos]

I'm thinking that ME3 will only be the beginning. This trilogy is only meant to introduce us to the ME universe and the Reapers. The games that come after are going to be about the actual war with the reapers. Or maybe I'm wrong in thinking that. Just a theory, so take it for what its worth.

[jimmyjoefro]

The trilogy seems to be the "Shepard Trilogy" more than anything. I would be very disappointed if the Reapers aren't defeated or severely delayed in ME3, though.

[Asano_Naganori]

I keep trying to look into it and find out how that bastard TIM is connected to the reapers, and how what we did in ME2 helped him.  I cant help but think, since the stakes werent as high as ME1, Shep was being used in a way he didnt forsee.  i mean I think everyone assumed TIM wanted to use shep for his own goals,  but I cant bump this feeling that his goals are far more nefarious than we had initially planned.

Yeah, I gave the Collector base over to TIM, but his smirk after Shepard went offscreen was unsettling. I think the the upcoming book (released july iirc) which is a prequel to ME2, TIM conducts experiments on a human using some Prothean tech, implants i think but dont quote me on that, ill double check and get back here. How would he get it if not via Collectors or some other equally sinister means?

There is a whole lot more here than meets the eye, even considering there is a lot of info that isnt in either ME1/2 or books.

I do hope it will be something Meta and not bathetic and confusing. 

On an off-topic, does anyone else think that the Collectors are (although they were Prothean in ME2) also part of the Reaper extermination cycle? Some of the ships were, on the other side of the Omega4 relay, ancient, so it suggests that attempts at looking into beyond that relay were made prior to extermination of protheans and they subsequent enslaving? Just something to mull over on downtime

[aeetos21]

Maybe it's more about keeping them on the ropes? They've had this cycle going on for a millenia and even reapers need to recharge their batteries but since they're stuck in dark space they're running out of time.

[DigitalBrute]

I think it depends on the choice to preserve the Collector ship or to destroy. If you preserve it, you'll have a better chance at surviving I'd think as humanity will obtain all that glourious reaper/collector tech. If you destroy it could mean a lessend chance of survival mostly likely... they win .

[kappukiino]

Primal Exile wrote...

Geth, United Krogan, Full Alliance, Drell, Hanar (I always knew they were up to trouble), Elcor, Rachni....

There is a massive army ready to fight the reapers. With Shepard leading the way the reapers have no chance! I actually feel sorry for them!

I can imagine Hanar kicking reaper ass..

"One is going to kick your ass."

[AlphaJarmel]

I think a better way they could have gone about this was to keep the Collector and taking humans part but state at the end that the Collector Base has tons of stuff on the Reapers like origins, creators, technology, etc. That way we gain something that adds to the trilogy. We can still have the option to keep or destroy the base as well.

[deusofnull]

Rankao wrote...

I have feeling they are going super Nova a star (hint suggested from the retrieve tali mission) that the reaper fleet is invading. Seeing the humanity completely rejected the idea of being evolved to the perfect form I wonder which star that going to have to be destroyed to save all life in the galaxy...

SOL

Nah probably some random one.  Has to be one that actually has some life and has some value to the galaxy though, otherwise the reapers will figure its a trap.

There likely will be the option to cure the geonphage at some point as well so the Krogan can fight the reapers.

Modifié par deusofnull, 01 février 2010 - 12:51 .

[Asano_Naganori]

Rankao wrote...

There likely will be the option to cure the geonphage at some point as well so the Krogan can fight the reapers.

Well, theres the data that you get on Tuchanka, and the creator of that genophage basically said that they were going about it the right way to cure it.

It is blatantly gonna be Conrad Verner who suicide bombs all the Reapers. 

[DigitalMaster37]

FredegarKadere wrote...

The Controlling Body of Council Space rejects the idea of the Reapers existence. The Geth are a rarity to most and all but the military and those in the 'know', even know what they look like. If you destroyed the Collector Base you have no proof that the Collectors were anything but a bogeyman. If you let the base remain there is no way Cerberus will be making it a publicly accessible area for all races to enjoy. Much like the Derelict Reaper, I imagine their will still be a passive danger to the base if left around.

While the idea of massive waves of a united galaxy holding off and stemming the tide of a enemy invasion sounds appealing.. I just don't see it happening.

Somehow and somewhere Dark Energy/Matter will come into play, be it for good or ill.

I'm starting to completely believe this ^

[NErWOnek]

an oversized version of the kain heavy weapon made into a space cannon might do the job

[demicraftgod]

Oh wow, someone even came up with the idea of Gundams...THAT is, HAHA...

I say develop singularity weapon like in the Star Trek movie, lol, and yeah, black hole rules.

[DarthRic]

MerrickShep wrote...

We need to use their tech against them. I don't believe it will be that hard we know what were facing and know they can be destroyed.

Who knows maybe the Mass Relays are more than just things to use to transport maybe they can be used as weapons.

Except the council STILL dousn't believe the reapers exist (if you saved them)

Asano_Naganori wrote...

Interesting question. The Reapers
are obviously devoid of their usual tactic, so they will have to
improvise. Its pretty clear that they wont risk a full-out assault
straight from the off without tactical assessment. Seeing how the
upgraded Normandy managed to rip apart the Collector vessel, the
Council Space technology is approaching the lowest levels of Reaper
tech. ME3 is going to be interesting

We don't know that the upgraded cannons are that effective against reapers, remember that if you don't upgrade the cannons you still take out the collector ship in close range so its debatable whether the cannon is hugely more effective than current weapons

Modifié par DarthRic, 01 février 2010 - 02:52 .

[Man785]

What if the Reapers aren't as unified as you think? Like all we have seen are Heretic Reapers, in Geth terms.

[DarthRic]

Man785 wrote...

What if the Reapers aren't as unified as you think? Like all we have seen are Heretic Reapers, in Geth terms.

Their power reserves may also be depleted by the time they reach the galaxy using FTL drives, since they ushally jump to the citadel and destroy opposition there, they would assumedly recharge after that

[jiggs101]

all you have to do is scan earth find chuck norris and throw him out there =D

[Redem0]

I was thinking of using the rapidly aging sun and make him go nova just next to the reapers