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[hawat333]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Never thought of it that way either. Makes sense, though
Along with what has been said about her being the most "real" LI in the trilogy so far, considering what you've been through

In my opinion, the most real LI in the trilogy is Ashley Williams / Kaidan Alenko. It was more detailed and they didn't just jump on me, like most of the LIs in the second game (with the exception of Thane maybe, but again, I never pusued cross-species romances as it breaks one principal of the sci-fi setting). On top of that, they weren't as easy. There were disagreements, and actually a very pissed-off romance interest in Horizon. Which made sense and felt real.

[Lord Atlia]

hawat333 wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Never thought of it that way either. Makes sense, though
Along with what has been said about her being the most "real" LI in the trilogy so far, considering what you've been through

In my opinion, the most real LI in the trilogy is Ashley Williams / Kaidan Alenko. It was more detailed and they didn't just jump on me, like most of the LIs in the second game (with the exception of Thane maybe, but again, I never pusued cross-species romances as it breaks one principal of the sci-fi setting). On top of that, they weren't as easy. There were disagreements, and actually a very pissed-off romance interest in Horizon. Which made sense and felt real.

Really, because Ashley Williams raped one of my Shepards because he asked about her family.

[xMister Vx]

When I'm faced with several women who range from "manface" to "mediocre", I'd rather take my chances with the mystery option. At least her manners and voice are sweet, and she doesn't give off any "weak little girl needs protection" vibes, seeing as she's all grown up now. Also, her personal quest.

Modifié par xMister Vx, 02 février 2010 - 11:10 .

[Fulgrim88]

hawat333 wrote...
In my opinion, the most real LI in the trilogy is Ashley Williams / Kaidan Alenko. It was more detailed and they didn't just jump on me, like most of the LIs in the second game (with the exception of Thane maybe, but again, I never pusued cross-species romances as it breaks one principal of the sci-fi setting). On top of that, they weren't as easy. There were disagreements, and actually a very pissed-off romance interest in Horizon. Which made sense and felt real.

Well, actually Tali is the only one who doesn't jump on you. It might seem that way in ME2 alone, with her "suddenly" being drawn to you, but you need to see the games as a whole.
She was already attracted to you in the prequel, but passed, for she didn't believe it to work out and wanted you to be happy in an easier way, with Ashley or Liara.
Both of whom basically raped you for just asking basic questions about their lives. Not actively pursuing any romance in ME1, i was actually surprised to find them waiting in my cabin

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 02 février 2010 - 11:19 .

[Novacain999]

hawat333 wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Never thought of it that way either. Makes sense, though
Along with what has been said about her being the most "real" LI in the trilogy so far, considering what you've been through

In my opinion, the most real LI in the trilogy is Ashley Williams / Kaidan Alenko. It was more detailed and they didn't just jump on me, like most of the LIs in the second game (with the exception of Thane maybe, but again, I never pusued cross-species romances as it breaks one principal of the sci-fi setting). On top of that, they weren't as easy. There were disagreements, and actually a very pissed-off romance interest in Horizon. Which made sense and felt real.

See, your arguing this as if Tali was just introduced in ME2, which is why I think your logic is flawed. Tali's relationship is built over the course of 2 games, and over 2 years. Also, there are fights in the relationship between Tali and Shepard if you play it right (disagreeing about how the Quarians handled the Geth evolution, namely).

And I guess the big fight is realistic, but it also maks both characters come across as extremely unlikable. If your supposed to care about someone so much, then why is it that every single other person you've come across on the ship has understood your reasoning when they can't? Chakwas and Joker signed onto the ship, Garrus and Tali both joined with little to no question, even in spite of Tali's dislike of Cerberus, Wrex greeted you like your his closest friend, etc. They are the only ones who refuse to even try to listen to were your coming from.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, yeah, they are realistic relationships. But they also are deeply flawed relationships that clearly suffers from trust issues, that has either of them acting like a complete idiot. If I wanted a relationship with 2 people bickering for the sake of bickering, I'd just date someone in real life.

On the other hand, there's sweet Tali who makes it clear that she understands if you don't want to pursue her, and I've even accidently ended our relationship a couple times, has undying loyalty to you for the things you've done for her before you showed any romantic interest in her, and stands by your side in spite of a complete distrust for basically everyone else on the Normandy.

I think what we might need to start doing is instead of saying this is the most realistic relationship, we should describe it as the most caring and heart felt.

Modifié par Novacain999, 02 février 2010 - 11:26 .

[masterp1975]

Novacain999 wrote...

 If I wanted a relationship with 2 people bickering for the same of bickering, I'd just date someone in real life.

It's really not that bad.

[Novacain999]

masterp1975 wrote...

Novacain999 wrote...

 If I wanted a relationship with 2 people bickering for the same of bickering, I'd just date someone in real life.

It's really not that bad.

haha, I knew I was leaving myself open for that. Probably should have changed my wording to "I'd just start dating any random girl just to have a "real realstionship"

What I'm trying to get at I guess is that you know your relstionship is on the rocks if you go out of your way to start a fight with someone, and don't try to listen to their explanation. And, honestly, if I'm playing a video game, I want something better then just common bickering. I got that with my last girlfriend, and I play video games like this to escape things like that.

[magnuskn]

<sigh> I think I must start another play-through of ME1. Not that it isn't fun, but it takes time, especially if I do all the side missions.



But I really cannot in good conscience put up with having a big drama in ME3 about having abandoned Liara for Tali. Liara was an impressively boring LI in ME1 and the only reason I went with her was because a.) Ashley was much, much worse and b.) I wasn't expecting Tali to be an option in ME2 and ME3.



Off I go... ^^

[KainrycKarr]

Just dropping by to say Tali pwns serious face, has better written dialogue and romance than both Liara AND Ashley, and has a combat drone that owns. Again.



Tali ftmfw.

[Fulgrim88]

magnuskn wrote...

I think I must start another play-through of ME1. Not that it isn't fun, but it takes time, especially if I do all the side missions.

But I really cannot in good conscience put up with having a big drama in ME3 about having abandoned Liara for Tali. Liara was an impressively boring LI in ME1 and the only reason I went with her was because a.) Ashley was much, much worse and b.) I wasn't expecting Tali to be an option in ME2 and ME3.

Off I go... ^^

Same here, although it would include another subsequent ME2 playthrough, which i'd like to save for other Chars.
I basically told Liara to bugger off, which i hope is sufficient.
And i doubt there'll be much drama anyway, considering how bluntly ME2 ended all previous engagements.

[Othium117]

magnuskn wrote...

I think I must start another play-through of ME1. Not that it isn't fun, but it takes time, especially if I do all the side missions.

But I really cannot in good conscience put up with having a big drama in ME3 about having abandoned Liara for Tali. Liara was an impressively boring LI in ME1 and the only reason I went with her was because a.) Ashley was much, much worse and b.) I wasn't expecting Tali to be an option in ME2 and ME3.

Off I go... ^^

I did the same. I had no clue Tali would be Captian Kirk'able. I can forsee a moment when Shepard gets into a SNAFU in ME3 and the only person who would be willing to go on a suicide mission to pull his ass out would be someone who truly really really loves Shepard. But guess what? You cheated on the last girl so she shows up just to watch you burn and the other girl u were with decides she doesn't wanna pursue a relationship with someone who cheats. That would suck. Shepard dies cuz he cant keep his hands off the ladies. I would rather have my loyal lady friend pull my Shep's ass outta the fire cuz he was the only faithful SOB in the galaxy. I know my Tali won't let me down!

[Verifying]

Because this comic is hilarious:
http://fc08.devianta..._2_by_yuoma.jpg

[Antbrawler]

Well i liked Ashley the most by FAR, and i stayed faithfull to her in ME2, but i can definately see why people like Tali, i liked her alot as a character aswell, she was the kind of character i just want to give a nice big hug now and then. But Ashley is definately the one for me..

[Unit-Alpha]

They don't. Mainstream gamers usually don't go to these forums. The average gamer likes Miranda and/or Liara. These fourms are just run by sometimes whiny Tali fans (I like Tali as a character so don't kill me).

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 05 février 2010 - 01:17 .

[Anthropophobic]

Everyone knows the sexiest squadmate is Garrus.

[darth_lopez]

tali is just nice like that

[77boy84]

I thought Tali was boring in ME1, but her character was redeemed by the fact she was the only way to learn about the flotilla.



In ME2 I thought Tali was boring, but I thought it would be cool to see the flotilla and to learn more about the quarians after hearing about them in ME1. Then I played the game and realized how much of a disappointment that was.

[KalosCast]

Tali's popularity: OMG NERD WIF BEWBS LOLOLOL

[SuperVaderMan]

For her personality. That and she's got a nice, exotic figure.



...What? You were expecting me to say something about her helmet?

[Peer of the Empire]

I don't like Tali and I sent her to the vents on the suicide mission.  Tali just has vocal fans.

The general danger of such things is for the developer to misjudge the impact of a few fans and ruin the next installment of the series, not that Tali is necessarily game breaking but something else may be

[Collider]

Unit, the internet is one of, if not the best way to gauge the fan's reaction to the game. I would say that Miranda is probably the most popularl love interest, with Tali coming in second. Liara had a reduced role in ME2 so she isn't really a factor.



I also felt that Tali's romance was more natural. She's watching Shepard save the galaxy in ME1 and has a crush on him, but is too afraid that Shepard won't feel the same way or that it just wouldn't work. It would have been better if there was a little subtle dialogue change if you played as male shepard in ME1, but Bioware didn't foresee so many fans liking Tali.



Ashley and Liara practically rape Shepard as long as you are nice to them. Kill the Rachni or not, they fall for you. Ashley locked you in just because you talked to her and didn't insult her every opportunity. Liara is obvious. 2 conversations in and she already wants to get boned.



For Tali, pretty sure you need to get her loyalty and then talk to her two more times for the romance subplot to begin. And the paragon option, if you talk to her before the suicide mission, is to dump her because it's too dangerous.



There's much more precedence than the other romance options (except Garrus who was also from ME1).

[HunterX6]

tali charm's is spreading like a super virus or......*gasp* is simply indoctrinating us through audio,controller vibration and vision while we play her main mission and loyalty mission.....jk she is just the best character in the game in my opinion,(and to apparently many) for many reason such as her personality and connection with shepard and also her mission, so its revelaed thats deep inside we love romance in video games, at least to most of us.

Modifié par HunterX6, 05 février 2010 - 02:03 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Tali's always been my favorite. She seems sincere, she's adaptive, nice, smart, cute, etc.. As for why it's an apparent majority? I dunno.

[Verifying]

Tali's a really cool person to begin with. Miranda's really hot, but doesn't seem like a girl I'd want for anything long-term. Jack's, well, Jack. I understand that she opens up in her romance, but I wouldn't try to make an advance on her in the first place, nor would I want her if she wanted me.
Tali is physically attractive and awesome. There's really nothing I can find /not/ to like about her. She's a cool friend and a sweet romantic interest. I wouldn't go as far as to call her nerdy because she's handy with technology and has a shy side, because she's also very strong and doesn't take any crap from anyone.
Plus, I'm a sucker for accents.

Modifié par Verifying, 05 février 2010 - 03:52 .