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[bjdbwea]

This could all be remedied in ME 3, IF the developers keep their promise of letting the ME 1 characters play an important role. I wouldn't hold my breath though, I always thought it was totally unnecessary to kick so many old companions out of the team for ME 2. I think they did it so that new players wouldn't have a disadvantage, and I fear they might do exactly the same for the next part. The encounters with the old companions felt more like a bone thrown to the fans of ME 1, with not much effort invested. It would still not have been necessary to make such drastic - and obscure - changes to Liara's character.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 01 février 2010 - 07:15 .

[Corti78]

bjdbwea wrote...

This could all be remedied in ME 3, IF the developers keep their promise of letting the ME 1 characters play an important role. I wouldn't hold my breath though, I always thought it was totally unnecessary to kick so many old companions out of the team for ME 2. I think they did it so that new players wouldn't have a disadvantage, and I fear they might to exactly the same for the next part. The encounters with the old companions felt more like a bone thrown to the fans of ME 1, with not much effort invested. It would still not have been necessary to make such drastic - and obscure - changes to Liara's character.

This is what worries me. Forsaking real fans for newcomers. Personally I think anyone coming in at the LAST part of the trilogy has no right to be catered to if they did not come in at 1 or 2, but thats my opinion. Hopefully they don't drop the ball and somehow manage to give everyone what they want in ME3, but I'm not holding my breath until I start hearing it from Bioware themselves.

[CrackerJackAttack]

I liked liara in MassEffect 1 and the crazy personality switch in Mass Effect 2.kinda makes you wonder how she got that way.Only guess I can make is that in that 2 year period she had your daughter and the shadow broker leaked the information to Cerberus as a secondary option to get John Shepard to do what Cerberus wants in the future.

[uberman409]

Corti78 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

This could all be remedied in ME 3, IF the developers keep their promise of letting the ME 1 characters play an important role. I wouldn't hold my breath though, I always thought it was totally unnecessary to kick so many old companions out of the team for ME 2. I think they did it so that new players wouldn't have a disadvantage, and I fear they might to exactly the same for the next part. The encounters with the old companions felt more like a bone thrown to the fans of ME 1, with not much effort invested. It would still not have been necessary to make such drastic - and obscure - changes to Liara's character.

This is what worries me. Forsaking real fans for newcomers. Personally I think anyone coming in at the LAST part of the trilogy has no right to be catered to if they did not come in at 1 or 2, but thats my opinion. Hopefully they don't drop the ball and somehow manage to give everyone what they want in ME3, but I'm not holding my breath until I start hearing it from Bioware themselves.

I detect a "NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!" argument. Thought I should make it obvious.

[Alixen]

She's still my first choice as a LI. =D



She's still the same old Liara. She just grew up a bit. And under that Mask she's putting up she's not THAT different.

[JawaJoey]

 I didn't care for Liara at all in the first game, to put it lightly. I was a little surprised, but not exactly torn torn up by her personality change.

[uberman409]

Alixen wrote...

She's still my first choice as a LI. =D

She's still the same old Liara. She just grew up a bit. And under that Mask she's putting up she's not THAT different.

QFT

[p-o-d-b-o-d]

I still like Liara the best out of the love interests, and is my favourite character although Garrus could arguably be aswell. In any case, I don't think it's fair to judge Liara for how she was in Mass Effect 2! I think Redemption will show us exactly what she had to go through to bring Shepard back, and I'm sure it was heart-breaking for her to have to give you up twice; once, as you tell her to get into the escape pod as the Normandy is destroyed at the start of Mass Effect 2, and a second time when she gives your body over to Cerberus. You would think that her rigidness/anger/change of character has to do with what she did involving Shepard's body

[Abirn]

So Here My Shepard is about to depart to somewhere that nobody has ever come back from, and the one romance he had can't even be bothered to at least say goodbye. You know what, I think I'm going to play though again so that he does cheat on her for my ME2 > ME3 file.

[Fuzrum77]

 I've never liked her. Her voice (or the way she speaks really) just annoys the hell out of me.

[Freestorm Skinn]

I guess nobody's reading the MASS EFFECT: REDEMPTION comic.
It tells you how and why Liara became the information broker/gangster she is now.
The story starts months after the Normandy got destroyed, and Liara sets out on her own to find out if Shepherd is alive or dead, and to recover the body.
The story is written by Mac Walters, the leader writer of the game.

Modifié par Freestorm Skinn, 01 février 2010 - 06:54 .

[screwoffreg]

My female Shepherd does, but its obvious Liara is letting vengeance cloud her judgement. She justifies it as "for her friend...and for you", though it seems that the "for you" part is really just "for me". I had heard rumors of a Liara DLC, and I wouldn't be surprised in the next year, halfway to ME 3, that we should see something that will bridge this game's interaction with Liara, and her role, with the next games.

[Mox Ruuga]

Maria Caliban wrote...

It's not serious character development. What happens with Tali, Garrus, and Wrex is character develop. Existing traits become more prominant as the character changes over time, but a great deal of what makes the character that character remains.

Garrus always wanted to be free from the rules and regulations of C-Sec, and to be harsher to criminals. His archangel persona is him doing just that. In ME 1, Tali's pilgrimage was to help the fleet and to proove herself an adult. When we encounter a mature Tali, it makes sense.

Liara was never ruthless. Never obsessed with hurting people. She never had the abilities and contacts nessary to become a major power broker and couldn't develop them in 2 years.

The Liara we see in ME 2 is nothing like the ME 1 Liara in personality or motivation. It's obvious that a new writer who didn't like the character from the first game got ahold of her.

I agree with the above.

I was already worried when I saw the beginnings of the "new" Liara in the first issue of the comic. What's in the game is much worse than what I'd imagined. There is the hard to find scene where she supposedly "becomes" the real Liara again, just for a moment. But it's so well hidden that most players never see it.

I wonder if they were futilely trying to please the people who never warmed up the character, by making her "harder"? If so, they've succeeded in alienating most of the character's original fans. Hopefully Mass Effect 3 can fix matters to whatever extent possible.

It is possible that they have some devious, brilliant plan on where they're taking her character, but for now I remain sceptical.

[bjdbwea]

Freestorm Skinn wrote...

I guess nobody's reading the MASS EFFECT: REDEMPTION comic.
It tells you how and why Liara became the information broker/gangster she is now.
The story starts months after the Normandy got destroyed, and Liara sets out on her own to find out if Shepherd is alive or dead, and to recover the body.
The story is written by Mac Walters, the leader writer of the game.

Now this is rich. Reading that makes me even angrier. If they have a better explanation for her behaviour, PUT IN IT THE GAME. You don't have to lay it out as detailed as it may be possible in a book or comic (which most people won't own), but damnit, it's not too much asked to PUT IT IN THE GAME. The game is the main event here still.

[Yootje]

I really wanted to figure out what happened to Liara, so I did every conversation option with her, but I'm still dissappointed. Not in the character development - I can see that happening - but, well, I'm a scientist and I loved Liara in ME1 and her passion for her research. It's part of what made her interesting for me. So... my Shep cheated on her She just wasn't the person my Shep cared for anymore.

[InvaderErl]

I thought her performance sounded kind of off in this one. It was just wrong. Although that line where she said she didn't have many friends anymore filled me with a sense of immense pity.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 01 février 2010 - 07:25 .

[Monglor]

I was indifferent to Liara in ME2 until I heard the two lines that made me want to load her up on the ship right then and there. Firstly the one after she rattles off all the intel on your two targets in the city and when asked about it just replies politely, "I'm a very good information broker" and the second where she refers to biotically mashing somebody up so that they fit into a coffee cup. That's my girl.

[Freestorm Skinn]

bjdbwea wrote...

Freestorm Skinn wrote...

I guess nobody's reading the MASS EFFECT: REDEMPTION comic.
It tells you how and why Liara became the information broker/gangster she is now.
The story starts months after the Normandy got destroyed, and Liara sets out on her own to find out if Shepherd is alive or dead, and to recover the body.
The story is written by Mac Walters, the leader writer of the game.

Now this is rich. Reading that makes me even angrier. If they have a better explanation for her behaviour, PUT IN IT THE GAME. You don't have to lay it out as detailed as it may be possible in a book or comic (which most people won't own), but damnit, it's not too much asked to PUT IT IN THE GAME. The game is the main event here still.

Except the main event of the game is not Liara's story.  It's Shepherd's.  

That's might be why they elected to do a comic to tell that side story when Dark Horse wanted to publish a licenced tie-in comic.  Shepherd doesn't appear in the comic at all, even though s/he is the main reason Liara sets out on her quest.

Modifié par Freestorm Skinn, 01 février 2010 - 07:28 .

[The_11thDoctor]

Liara died. She is not in ME2. I refuse to believe that's her.

[Hokochu]

Liara is a great character still imo. My main male Shep may have rebounded to Tali, partly because he wasn't sure if he was going to survive and Tali was there to comfort him and she was the only one (besides Garrus but he's my bro) who stayed by Shep's side even in the face of oblivion. As for my FemShep... she's staying true to her love.