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[EthanDirtch]

Hey all,

Don't know if this has been done (can't search ~shakes fist at Darkspawn, as it's always the Darkspawn...always!~), but I wanted to see which top 5 moments or character personalities that made you really mad!

I just want to point out that any time a story gets an emotional response from you of any sort--whether it be tears, or rage, or laughter--is a sign of good storytelling all around: writing, voice acting, virtual acting, music, atmosphere, etc. So kudos to BioWare, for giving us 5 reasons to really wanna punt a chihuahua!

Note: You can include any element from all released content thus far! That means even 'Return to Ostagar', so for those who have not played that yet, be warned!

Note #2: Just because something made you angry, doesn't mean it was bad, as I mentioned a few lines ago! This isn't a list of "things I don't want to see in DA:A and beyond", or a list of "mechanics, items, or bugs that made me mad". This is simply a list of story elements that elicited an emotional response! 





5. The Dwarven Caste system: First, let me add that the Caste system and the dwarven history are both brilliant. I haven't read too many books that go into Dwarven society too much, and I don't know of any Dwarven societies existing in real life, so to see a piece of media painting the Dwarves in this way is awesome. Gives depth to the world of  Thedas. With that said, the Caste system makes me angry! Such unfairness! Even if I was to roleplay as one of my characters, I doubt any of them would appreciate or approve of the Caste system, unless I made one that was downright evil and uncaring. What really riles me up too is that Harrowmont is the "good" candidate, but Bhelen is the one that actually effects some change to the Caste system. And Bhelen's a jerk! I could have also listed parts of what we know of the Qunari here, but since we don't really know them or interact with them aside from Sten (and a few unfortunate mercernaries), I'm not gunna list them.



4. Arl Rendon Howe: Man, even if you didn't play the Human Noble origin, he still royally pisses you off! Aside from Darkspawn in general, he's one of maybe three characters you *really* wanted to kill! His betrayal of the Couslands is also very reminiscent of an event in "A Song of Ice and Fire".



3. Zathrien of the Dalish Elves: His hypocrisy is quite epic. It's natural for the Dalish to be combative and confrontational with Humans, and what those humans did to his family is barbaric, but he pretty much did what they did and condemned humans (or werewolves) simply because they are what they are (or what they were made to be, in the werewolves' case). It made me wanna kill him...but I haven't, at least not yet >_> 



2. Loghain Mac Tir: The fact that he was so willing to sacrifice his nation because of his paranoia and pride...It's what makes it almost impossible for me to ever save him and let him be a Grey Warden. On top of that, he was selling Ferelden Elves, got Duncan and Cailan killed, tried to kill me on numerous occassions (and a couple of playthroughs! XD), and it's a small wonder that he's at all considered a hero.



1. The Desecration of Cailan: This only appears to those who played through "Return to Ostagar", but that scene with Cailan's body...really boiled my blood! And Cailan wasn't even a character I particularly loved either.

[David Gaider]

Zecele wrote...
2. Alistair at the Landsmeet. It's been said, but I hate his reaction to wanting to induct Loghain into the Grey Wardens. To correct a poster further upthread though you do not know at the landsmeet that a Grey Warden has to die to kill the archdemon. You find that out the night after the landsmeet (because Loghain has to be an option for Morrigan to sleep with).

Indeed. You also don't know at that point that when you face the Archdemon it will be just the Wardens at hand, before reinforcements will arrive. Loghain could conceivably die in battle, yes, but so could the player or anyone else -- you have no idea that a sacrifice is required.

Would it be more convenient to know? Sure. But you don't. If you were to say to Alistair that you intend for Loghain to die somehow I'm pretty sure that Alistair would say that Loghain should die right there, paying for his crimes. Dying honorably, fighting for his country, is not something Alistair thinks Loghain deserves. The idea that players get annoyed because they can't arrange matters to suit the out-of-game knowledge they have about the sacrifice is a bit baffling. There are reasons to think Loghain might be useful, as well as reasons to think that Alistair is being a big baby, but suggesting that Alistair should trust that Loghain should be allowed to redeem himself by dying as a Grey Warden performing an act you don't even know is necessary yet does not really hold water.

That said, it's fun to see people get so emotional about it.

[David Gaider]

Cuddlezarro wrote...
well Loghain doesnt need to be the hero that slays the archdemon in my eyes at least

all he needs to do is act as a distraction and "accidentally" get eaten by the archdemon during the fight

So if the point is just for him to die, why not kill him at the Landsmeet? Why give him the honor of becoming a Grey Warden in the hopes he might die heroically fighting the Archdemon -- a fight you're not even sure is about to happen yet, or how many might be involved in it? Honestly I think one could more traction arguing with Alistair that Loghain should live to repay what he's done, either in prison or performing some other ignominious task. Certainly not as a Grey Warden, and absolutely not to die heroically as one.

Not to distract from the purpose of the thread and turn it into an Alistair-fest, of course.

For me, my blood boils with Anora. Like with Loghain, it doesn't matter that she might be right. I still want to drop-kick her off Fort Drakon.

melkathi wrote...
By storming out, Alistair did turn his back on the fight at a crucial moment - at the moment you were finally able to act.
The only thing the Archdemon's appearance and sudden mobilization of it's hordes changes is that by the time Alistair had cooled off and would likely have returned to argue with you but do his bit fighting the good fight, he was no longer able to, as the darkspawn horde was between him and the army.

Indeed. I've said previously that if there's anything that Alistair does which could be considered truly objectionable it's abandoning the Grey Wardens to fight without him. At that point, however, he simply doesn't care -- it's an attitude he'll come to regret later. All I was referencing was people thinking that Alistair should swallow the idea that he should accept Loghain as a Grey Warden because of knowledge they don't even have in-character.

And while the Fereldan army had been roused to fight the darkspawn at the Landsmeet, that means they were about to start fighting them in earnest -- not that they were about to march out the next morning and fling themselves headlong at the horde. Ideally they would have fought a holding action until reinforcements could arrive, as the fight at Denerim that occurred would have gone very poorly were it not for the Archdemon's death. It was a desperate and unwise gamble, and a necessity that simply wasn't known about several days before at the Landsmeet.

Modifié par David Gaider, 01 février 2010 - 06:10 .