Your Rage Moments: Top 5 Scenes/Characters that made you wanna headbutt a kitten
#226
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:55
4: Wynne leaving when defiling the Ashes, my last save before defiling it, killing Kolgrim, going back to camp and have Wynne leave the party was the beginning of the Gauntlet...
3: Branka: arghhh I hate her.... although her Golems are lovley... felt so gooooood when I told her to commit suicide!
2: Anora backstabbing me on the landsmeet, after double crossing me she double-double crosses me... biotch!
1. Morrigan... when with +100 friendly or in romace... it didn't make me mad... just so sad... I have never been sad for a video game, but when she left... and the speech:" Goodbye... my friend"...
#227
Posté 05 février 2010 - 06:07
Sabriana wrote...
The mage can choose to inform Irving, and he tells her to go ahead with Jowan's and Lily's plan. He's her boss, so to speak, and technically the enchanter has the last word on the mages. She did what she was told to do by the highest mage in Ferelden.
Of course and that means they won't punish the mage for it, but they still don't have to be happy about it.
#228
Posté 05 février 2010 - 06:21
DPSSOC wrote...
Sabriana wrote...
The mage can choose to inform Irving, and he tells her to go ahead with Jowan's and Lily's plan. He's her boss, so to speak, and technically the enchanter has the last word on the mages. She did what she was told to do by the highest mage in Ferelden.
Of course and that means they won't punish the mage for it, but they still don't have to be happy about it.
No, but the mage did nothing but what she was told by her boss to do. So the templar should leave her be and duke it out with Irving. That's the complaint from the poster, and it is valid. The mage was not to blame if she did what she was told to do by the highest mage in Ferelden.
#229
Posté 05 février 2010 - 09:21
David Gaider wrote...
Indeed. I've said previously that if there's anything that Alistair does which could be considered truly objectionable it's abandoning the Grey Wardens to fight without him. At that point, however, he simply doesn't care -- it's an attitude he'll come to regret later. All I was referencing was people thinking that Alistair should swallow the idea that he should accept Loghain as a Grey Warden because of knowledge they don't even have in-character.
On my last pass through the game, I opted to spare Loghain. Yes, I knew this would cost me Alistair, but from a "story point of view", I played it as though my PC knew only (i) it required a Grey Warden to defeat the arch-demon, (ii) there were precious few grey wardens around at that point (just me, Alistair, and Riordan), and so (iii) more grey wardens = better odds against the arch-demon. Of course, again, from a story point of view, my PC would not know that sparing L. meant losing A., so my "greater numbers against the Arch-Demon strategy" proved a wash.
What puzzles me about Riordan's suggestion, however, is why he doesn't recommend others for the Grey Wardens. Ser Perth, to name but one of many. Why not Oghren? Or Bann Teagan? Or Kylon? It just struck me as a bit odd that only L. is offered this chance, when better candidates were around and the need for more Grey Wardens was so acute.
That said, Mr. Gaider, I appreciate what you say here about Alistair (possibly) regretting his stomp-off later on down the road. I like to think, from a story perspective, that eventually Alistair will "come around" and maybe even be somehow "rehabilitated" in Awakenings for players who chose the "Loghain over Alistair" ending.
Alistair was, bar none, my absolute favorite character in the game. I really hated losing him on my human noble warrior playthrough, but I did want to experience this particular ending on at least one of my characters. The benefit was getting to know L. a bit better as a companion (he has some interesting things to say and there *is* some good in him, something of the "old Loghain", that players get to see if they head down this story path.
Modifié par tomas819, 05 février 2010 - 09:26 .
#230
Posté 05 février 2010 - 10:50
Sabriana wrote...
DPSSOC wrote...
Sabriana wrote...
The mage can choose to inform Irving, and he tells her to go ahead with Jowan's and Lily's plan. He's her boss, so to speak, and technically the enchanter has the last word on the mages. She did what she was told to do by the highest mage in Ferelden.
Of course and that means they won't punish the mage for it, but they still don't have to be happy about it.
No, but the mage did nothing but what she was told by her boss to do. So the templar should leave her be and duke it out with Irving. That's the complaint from the poster, and it is valid. The mage was not to blame if she did what she was told to do by the highest mage in Ferelden.
Agreed, which is why Greagoir turns from accusing you to blasting Irving. Like I said, I think Greagoir in this path is mad at Irving, rather than the PC. Mad for Jowan not being turned in immediately. Mad for Lily actually being duped into loving a blood mage. Mad that Irving outmaneuvered him into bringing this to light.
Seeing that Irving's steadfast response whenever Greagoir tries to turn this to the PC is, "He/she has served the Circle well." I find it hard to believe the First Enchanter means to sell out the PC. If anything, I think Irving sees giving the mage PC to the Grey Wardens a 'reward' for services rendered.
Now I agree, the Templars would be less than pleased with the mage PC. But with the Wardens, you're essentially untouchable.
#231
Posté 06 février 2010 - 01:15
1- City Elf female origin. Okay, Vaughn really made me mad, but on my first playthrough with this character she was calm, level headed very cool and collected. Then Vaughn little beyatch boy buddy sucker punches me in the face! I was foaming at the mouth with rage, cussing at the tv screen, jerking my controller around, here I as being nice and this douche hits me in the face. I knew then I was going to kill everyone. Then Vaughn tries to bribe me after revealing his plans to rape my cousin AGAIN. I literally felt pleasure when I got the decapitation animation on my first playthrough.
2- Zevran he had so many aww moments but the one that really made me feel so traumatized emotionally was when he explains that he was trained by the crows to have a certain openmindedness about sex. He was bought as a child and that brought rushing back to my mind all the stories of perverted old men buying young boys for sex slaves in the days of slavery and the idea that Zevran could have been used in such a manner by the crows or by marks of the crows so they could infiltrate their targets estates by peddling the flesh of young boys trained for sex. I just feel like Zev is one of the strongest and amazing characters in the whole story to be the kind of man he is after all the suffering he has been exposed to and forced to endure over the course of his life.
3- Alistair's betrayal at the landsmeet. My Elf mage female LOVED him and her only thought was putting Loghains steel between us and the archdemon. She put Anora on the throne because she wanted ALi all for herself and when he just walked out it devestated not just her but ME!! I SWEAR I never saw it coming. Al might get mad but he loved my mage. And just like that he left even when I begged him to stay he just walked out. I was not just angry I was broken hearted, he emotionally murdered my mage. I alternated crying real broken hearted tears and laughing insanemly because I was quite shocked that a game could produce this feeling of devastation. I seriously had to put the game down for 2 days to regain perspective because sad to say I felt as if I had been abandoned and heartbroken. It wasn't that he left my character, Alistair left ME. I cried I raged, I laughed at myself and I marveled in awe at the total awesomeness that a game could make me feel like this. After I got over the heartbreak Then I got mad and on my next playthrough when my city elf who hated AListair made him king and then spared Loghain I was enraged that I told him he couldn't just leave the grey wardens and he said Watch me.
In that moment I was enraged furious and very very maaaad that I could not pull a Duncan and run that little b$$ch through the way Duncan did ser Jory. That is an oversight that should be rectified. King or no he does not get to leave the Grey Wardens
4- In Lotherring the revered mother I need to be able to kill her I hate that AListair butts in and promises he won't allow it to happen. I would love to be able to kill her. The fact that I couldn't really made me want to headbut kittens.
5- I hate the chantry because they get templars addicted to lyrium and use them to keep mages prisoners in the tower for no crime but their birth. I know I lose Leilani bur I always defile the ashes when I am a mage. I myself personally would be unbalanced if I was always stuck inside I loathe the chantry and only have a slightly lesser loathing of the templars. I am totally with Morrigan when it comes to torturing priests and running around as a bunch of happy little apostates.
Modifié par frostajulie, 06 février 2010 - 01:26 .
#232
Posté 06 février 2010 - 01:29
frostajulie wrote...
2- Zevran he had so many aww moments but the one that really made me feel so traumatized emotionally was when he explains that he was trained by the crows to have a certain openmindedness about sex. He was bought as a child and that brought rushing back to my mind all the stories of perverted old men buying young boys for sex slaves in the days of slavery and the idea that Zevran could have been used in such a manner by the crows or by marks of the crows so they could infiltrate their targets estates by peddling the flesh of young boys trained for sex. I just feel like Zev is one of the strongest and amazing characters in the whole story to be the kind of man he is after all the suffering he has been exposed to and forced to endure over the course of his life.
And then they tell you how hard Alistair's childhood was,..
#233
Posté 06 février 2010 - 01:43
1) Morrigan: 'Ooh, why are we getting the villagers a discount from that merchant?' Er, because it gets us a discount as well, leafbrain. She spends far too much of the game as a Chaotic Stupid and it's rare you get to talk her out of it. Not to mention losing a perfectly good character unless you agree to turn Alistair's kid into Shuma-Gorath.
2) Bhelen's 'cunning' trap. Oh look, I'm red-handed over Trian's corpse. So why are my weapons covered with Darkspawn blood? If they've still got Dwarf blood on them from the Mercs, why are the two guys in my party who sold me out covered with Dwarf blood too? Why can't I split them up and compare their stories against each other? How did those Dwarf corpses get into Aeducan Hold? What the hell is Trian doing here anyway? Why can't I face my accusers in the Proving? How come I'm still a traitor if I win the second Proving- did the Ancestors just not notice?
3) Crowning either the throwback who'll doom the kingdom or the backstabbing sibling as a Dwarf Noble. Where's the 'Caridin wanted me to be King/Queen' option? Killing any deshyr who disagrees seems an expected form of Dwarf politics and Lady Hilda Aeducan was most skilled at it.
4) Riordan/Alistair/Loghain. Riordan, you festering Muppet, maybe you could have taken one of the three-hundred opportunities you had to tell us how to kill an Archdaemon before the Landsmeet? Assuming you'd actually bothered, I'd like to tell Alistair, pre-landsmeet: "We're going to make Loghain a Warden, use him to kill the Archdaemon, then tell everyone he tried to run away and the Archdaemon ate him. Ironic justice, eh?"
5) The human Mage origin. Hmm, let me see, am I a backstabbing, lying swine or a complete gullible idiot? Ooh, I'll just leave the whole daft situation alone. Ah, I see the Blight has been postponed 'till I agree to go ruin my own life like a good little plot-puppet.
6) (6? Oi!) Branka. Oh, I'm a Dwarf. I see, Lyrium doesn't heal me and I can't do magic. Except Branka, possiby the most Lyrium-impregnated Dwarf of all time, can make Dr Strange look like the Great Suprendo with only twenty metric tonnes of Lyrium and a big mace.
It's my PnP background, I know. I've always felt CRPGs do action well, and roleplaying poorly, and sadly the more 'realistic' they try to be and the more emotional depth they try to have, the worse they do at it. At least the hero of Diablo was tragic for a good reason.
#234
Posté 06 février 2010 - 02:58
Majere613 wrote...
For me, it was usually places where the role-playing stopped and the rail-roading began that steamed me up. In no particular order:
1) Morrigan: 'Ooh, why are we getting the villagers a discount from that merchant?' Er, because it gets us a discount as well, leafbrain. She spends far too much of the game as a Chaotic Stupid and it's rare you get to talk her out of it. Not to mention losing a perfectly good character unless you agree to turn Alistair's kid into Shuma-Gorath.
1. The guy actually doesn't give you a discount. Two: So? Its not just Alistair's kid alone. Its her's too. She just wants the power. Not so much a waste as in you should've seen it coming.
#235
Posté 06 février 2010 - 03:00
FierachEredasSoulchiou wrote...
Majere613 wrote...
For me, it was usually places where the role-playing stopped and the rail-roading began that steamed me up. In no particular order:
1) Morrigan: 'Ooh, why are we getting the villagers a discount from that merchant?' Er, because it gets us a discount as well, leafbrain. She spends far too much of the game as a Chaotic Stupid and it's rare you get to talk her out of it. Not to mention losing a perfectly good character unless you agree to turn Alistair's kid into Shuma-Gorath.
1. The guy actually doesn't give you a discount. Two: So? Its not just Alistair's kid alone. Its her's too. She just wants the power. Not so much a waste as in you should've seen it coming.
Actually, if you intimidate him, he does. At least, compared to the 'persuade' price.
#236
Posté 06 février 2010 - 03:08
5. lady Isolde
For her infamous line "TEAAAAAAAAAGEEENNNNNN"
4. Arnora
I was really pissed when she betrayed me.
3. Leliana
This is biased because I had to carry her along throughout the entire game, just to open locks when she was using bows, and with her annoying french accent pissed me off.
2. Caridan
I hated it how you can't reason with him. Doesn't he realize that the dwarves will be wiped out without the help of golems. The surface civilizations don't care unless your a dwarf noble and ask for a boon. As a dwarf noble that really pissed me off, although I wasn't a fan of Branka either.
1. The Chantry
The entire organization pissed me off. The chantry are a power hungry, sadistic, and extremest religous group. I've always thought that the maker in DA:O was either fictional or uncaring. What really pissed me off is what happened to the elves after THEY HELPED THEM BEAT THE IMPERIUM!!! Betraying your allies because they don't think like you deserves a reaper fleet to wipe you out. I hated how in the epilogue if you helped the dwarven priest, the chantry is thinking about an exalted march, against a people who've been fending off darkspawn during, and between blights. The thing that pisses me most off about the chantry is how the enslave all the mages, templars, and whoever they conquer. They enslave the templars through addiction to a deadly drug, and use that armor of drug addicted knights to oppress the mages. Then they even treat the elves like dirt and garbage.
Imo the chantry deserves to have the hanar have an exalted march on them so they worship the enkindlers.
#237
Posté 06 février 2010 - 03:49
4. Morrigan being overly evil. "Oh? You don't want a bunch of innocent people to die from a zombie invasion? Morrigan dissaproves -5. Fail. On another note, Morrigan's AI was insanely stupid.
Morrigan: "Hey look everybody, a dragon!"
Dragon: *eats Morrigan*
PC: .... "Wonderful. No mage DPS this fight."
(Btw, I DID set her to stand next to me but she never did, she likes poking very powerful monsters.)
3. Betrayal at Ostagar. First playthrough from that moment was to kill Loghain.
2. PC (or their chat options) making me look like some moron with no perceptive capabilities. Would have saved alot of time and dialogue if the PC was just a little bit smarter.
1. Dwarven caste system. Reminds me alot of the caste system in India (was probably what influenced it). I'm not a big fan of intolerance without sensible reason, so much of the Orzammar bit was frustrating.
#238
Posté 06 février 2010 - 09:37
Re. the extinction of the dwarfs. One can only hope that, given the experiences the PC had in Orzammar, some surface dwellers start realizing the important role the dwarfs play. Granted, it is highly unlikely that the surface could unite, and could muster an army capable, resilliant, and big enough to beat back the darkspawn for good, but it would be wise to help the dwarfs in any way possible. Even if it is individually done, country by country and not united.
#239
Posté 07 février 2010 - 12:59
Anora betraying you
#240
Posté 07 février 2010 - 11:25
"And we crush the heads of rude women when we feel like it. Just so you know."
#241
Posté 07 février 2010 - 11:50
Sabriana wrote...
Re. Mage origin. When my mage came back to the tower, Greagoir wasn't done sniping at her yet about the Jowan affair. He also kept verbally attacking her after they were discovered, Irving's interventions notwithstanding. I stand by this, I played it, I heard it, and I saw it. It annoyed me so much that I reloaded an earlier save and my PC didn't betray the love-birds. At least this time around, Greagoir had a reason to be such an a**hole.
Actually just went through this and he was surprising civil. I'd even go so far as to say he was pleasant. He made a slight remark how he hadn't forgotten my part in Jowan's escape but he only brought it up once, and other than that it was a friendly swap of how've you beens. I have to say I was disappointed I was hoping for some vein popping rage at my impudence for daring to return...ah well.
#242
Posté 08 février 2010 - 12:17
Dwarf noble PC: Of course I'll support you brother, Harrowmont will be a weak king.
several hours later
Behlen: So Warden tell us, who did ----- choose?
DNPC: He/She told me to choose whoever I wish to be king.
DNPC: I choose Harrowmont . . . . MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
*Beheads Behlen with glee*
#243
Posté 08 février 2010 - 12:19
#244
Posté 15 février 2010 - 12:04
This time round, as she tried to prevent me from entering the Landsmeet, I decided to ignore the persuade and intimidate options and see where normal talking would get to.
And the b!tch had the audacity to tell my elf that I was responsible for Loghain selling the elves into slavery, that I forced the poor man to do it.
My only regret is that I couldn't drag her bleeding corpse through the doors into the Landsmeet proper and toss her at Loghain's feet.
#245
Posté 15 février 2010 - 12:25
2. Loghain in every scene.
3. Loghain, being himself.
4. The name Loghain cropping up.
5. Did I mention Loghain yet?
#246
Posté 15 février 2010 - 12:39
In retrospect, I understand why she did it, but still. I don't think any other moment really caught me off-guard as much as that one.
Modifié par SirOccam, 15 février 2010 - 12:40 .
#247
Posté 15 février 2010 - 01:28





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