Terra_Ex wrote...
Patriciachr34 wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
Indeed. You also don't know at that point that when you face the Archdemon it will be just the Wardens at hand, before reinforcements will arrive. Loghain could conceivably die in battle, yes, but so could the player or anyone else -- you have no idea that a sacrifice is required.Zecele wrote...
2. Alistair at the Landsmeet. It's been said, but I hate his reaction to wanting to induct Loghain into the Grey Wardens. To correct a poster further upthread though you do not know at the landsmeet that a Grey Warden has to die to kill the archdemon. You find that out the night after the landsmeet (because Loghain has to be an option for Morrigan to sleep with).
Would it be more convenient to know? Sure. But you don't. If you were to say to Alistair that you intend for Loghain to die somehow I'm pretty sure that Alistair would say that Loghain should die right there, paying for his crimes. Dying honorably, fighting for his country, is not something Alistair thinks Loghain deserves. The idea that players get annoyed because they can't arrange matters to suit the out-of-game knowledge they have about the sacrifice is a bit baffling. There are reasons to think Loghain might be useful, as well as reasons to think that Alistair is being a big baby, but suggesting that Alistair should trust that Loghain should be allowed to redeem himself by dying as a Grey Warden performing an act you don't even know is necessary yet does not really hold water.
That said, it's fun to see people get so emotional about it.
I have to agree with Mr. Gaider on this one. Personally, I have never been able to let Loghain live. One thing prevents me, regicide. If duty and honor are truly the mainstay of Ferelden society then Loghain has abandoned both when he allows Cailan to die in battle. He is lying both to the nobles at the Landsmeet and to himself when he proclaims that he has done what he has done for the Ferelden's benefit. Loghain himself recognizes the truth of the matter when you proclaim he must die. At this point he knows he really has gone too far.
But surely it depends on the kind of PC you are RPing. My PC naturally did not know at the time of the method of killing the Archdemon, yet being the cunning individual that he was, had sufficient foresight to see that a war veteran & master tactician such as Loghain would be more valuable alive in the battle to come. My PC's initial plan at this moment was to use him, then, after felling the archdemon, administer justice leaving his body amidst the darkspawn as he did with Cailan (Loghain's recent activities with elven slaves had pretty much sealed the deal on that). There would be no honour in such a death, at least in my eyes and is a perfectly viable double cross option that could've been in the game.
I do suppose the decision will be based on your definition of honor. Consider all of the atrocities that he has committed though, a swift, public beheading seems to be the prudent option. The only character I am playing that may let Loghain live is my Dalish Elf. She is sooo completely bitter at having to leave her beloved clan and serve with the most hated humans that she might let him live so she can use him to kill the archdemon. After all, why should she die to save some human city?
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And it burns! ROFL!
