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[repivemag]

So if you finised the game (which looking at the topics on the forums almost everyone has) you most likely did Legions loyalty mission so i have a question. did you or did you not rewrite the heretics. I personally blew them up because i felt that by rewriteing them i was no better than the heretics and thought that even if they were rewrite i didn't want to take the chance that they decide to kill the true geth. Wanted the community's thoughts.

[Thrakkesh]

I've done it both ways--and frankly, I'm a little shocked that Re-writing them is the Paragon option. I mean, seriously? Brainwashing hundreds of thousands of individuals is the Paragon thing to do? Legion points out that's a pretty nasty thing to do! Personally I don't think either option should have earned you anything, and they should have stuck with ramifications down the road. Nevermind that they're developing a Virus to do the exact same thing to the Geth--which you're there to stop--and have frigging sleeper agents.

[stillnotking]

You're not brainwashing them, you are de-brainwashing them.

[Stonetwister]

Well, if your options were to be brainwashed or blown up, I would go with brainwashing myself. Out of the 2 choices that is the most paragon choice, though I struggled with it myself.

[Marlina]

Legion also points out that Geth consciousness works differently than other sentient species, so it's not as unethical as you may believe.

I just blew them up so the "good" Geth wouldn't get any more reinforcements. They've proven to be liable to Reaper corruption, even without indoctrination. We can't trust them.

That being said, I don't trust anybody. And Legion is an alright chap, he's just liable to turn on you if it works with his (their collective, rather) sense of logic.

[Criz]

I would have preferred if what you tell Legion (paragon or renegade stuff) would tipp the scale of how he would vote... what was it, 573 vs 571?... so depending on what you tell him - with that new input - he would rethink things... and it's his action



thinking of it as de-brainwashing makes it a little better though I'm still a bit worried about the whole rewriting thing...

[Glassjavv]

I think the Paragon option should have been to destroy them rather than brainwash them. Like someone said in the game, it's too close to indoctrination. Honestly, now that I think about it.. neither choice should have been paragon or renegade for this one. There's no clear right or wrong.

Modifié par Glassjavv, 01 février 2010 - 07:50 .

[repivemag]

I think they give you renegade because they take it like you are destroying reinforcements for ME3.

[thepaladin1]

More geth to work side by side with the quarians in ME3

[p-o-d-b-o-d]

I went with Legion's choice to not kill them. It's his people and I mean geez, I'm Shepard, I saved the galaxy twice so far, so give me a break and let me let someone else make the decision

[Marlina]

Glassjavv wrote...

I think the Paragon option should have been to destroy them rather than brainwash them. Like someone said in the game, it's too close to indoctrination. Honestly, now that I think about it.. neither choice should have been paragon or renegade for this one. There's no clear right or wrong.

Paragon and Renegade != right or wrong.

[Thrakkesh]

Marlina wrote...

Legion also points out that Geth consciousness works differently than other sentient species, so it's not as unethical as you may believe.
I just blew them up so the "good" Geth wouldn't get any more reinforcements. They've proven to be liable to Reaper corruption, even without indoctrination. We can't trust them.
That being said, I don't trust anybody. And Legion is an alright chap, he's just liable to turn on you if it works with his (their collective, rather) sense of logic.

Actually Legion argues both sides of the issue, surprisingly.  If you talk up the brainwashing being the 'ethical' choice, he's quick to point out that the Heretics willingly chose to have no part in it.  Legion and the Geth itself seem so divided that they can't come to a consensus-hence leaving the choice up to you.

I still maintain that the choice is so grey on both sides that calling it Paragon or Renegade is misleading.  Both of choices carry the air of both around them... though when you get right down to it, I agree with you: Even if you 're-write' the Geth, what's to say they won't just come to the same conclusion inevitably, somewhere down the line?  They chosed to support the Reapers.  No sympathy for that..

[repivemag]

but legion didn't decide it was 571 to 573 or something thats too close too go off of.

[RakothX]

I believe Legion does point out that re-writing the heretics would bring them back into the fold - And bring with them all the experiences and view-points that the heretics had, for mass-consumption by the rest of the Geth race.



The Geth, bringing a whole new perspective to "walking a mile in another man's shoes."

[Polat995]

Well, if we can rewrite their minds, someone else can do it again to make them enemy to us again. I destroyed facility because I think like that.

[Cyberfrog81]

My first paragon character did choose the rewrite option. He's habitually getting the strangest of allies for ME3, why not a Geth army (one can hope)... Besides, Legion seemed pretty OK with it. But I admit I did pause to think about it.

[Polat995]

Legions state of pretty OK with destroying or rewriting made me suspicious so I destroyed.

[Sockwolf]

Legion has no emotions so he found it impossible to care about their fate. Their strategic usefulness cannot be predicted and there is a non-zero probability they won't just go back to the heretic way of thinking anyway.



The 2 Shepards I've completed the game with so far both went with blowing them up. My mostly Renegade Infiltrator sees it as removing a potential threat against galactic safety. My mostly Paragon Shepard is not ok with brainwashing regardless of if it's an organic or synthetic. All lifeforms should have free will. Even if that free will makes them choose to be his enemy.

[Polat995]

I have serious doubts about rewriting their mind.

Modifié par Polat995, 28 février 2010 - 09:23 .

[tropicalwave]

The Paragon choice usually is the one that does not involve killing or violence while the renegade one is aggressive violent and involves killing. It isn't really about right or wrong. As for the rewrite or the destroying my issues wasn't letting them back into the fold but was more giving the Geth the knowledge that the Heretics have. So you save the heretics and give the Geth all the information that they had, inside knowledge of Sovereign, Saren, etc. etc. That is what gave me pause.



Paragon: a model of excellence;

Renegade: a rebel.



Niether of those is good or bad. You can be excellent at being bad!!!

[Polat995]

I'm not sure even with your explanation Still,our decides affect other games so it's hard to foreseen.

[Peranor]

stillnotking wrote...

You're not brainwashing them, you are de-brainwashing them.

This.
I felt more like they where already brainwashed. And if you choose to re-write them, all you did was to restore them to normal. However im still not sure that re-writing them was the right choise looking at the grand scheme of things. Im not sure how it will affect the quarian/geth relations. (Can't wait for ME3!)

[Missouri Tigers]

I killed him.  Whenever possible, I kill Geth. That's just what I do.