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[LeviathanZero]

Hey all.
I'm currently trying to do Grunt's Rite of Passage, but every option that I do so far has given me a tonne of Renegade points, and I'm trying to play through as (mostly anyway) Paragon.

I go through all the waves, kill the Thresher, and go through the conversations with Whatsisname (the other Krogan who didn't want Grunt taking the rite, can't remember his name).

First time, when we get the "Are you a pure Krogan" part, I have the following options:

1) "He's the ultimate Krogan"
2) "Why hesitate now"
3) "Are you here to Fight"

Then this leads to the "Join my Clan" bit, where I get the followin options:

a) "You just want him as a trophy" (this loops back to the initial four options)

1) "Your call Grunt"
2) "I think Grunt says No"
3) "He can't join your clan"

I've tried all three options from choice one, and options 1 & 3 from choice two. In every combo I'm getting 15-20 points each for Paragon and Renegade.

What am I missing here? Is it just not possible to do this without a Renegade option? I had read that it was possible to talk the other guy down, but I have no luck with that one either.

For reference my Paragon status is 3 1/2 bars, and Renegade is about 1/3 of a bar.

[Monglor]

You're in a situation where you're going to shoot a respected Krogan clan leader in the face until he be dead. Feathers will get ruffled and renegade points will accrue.

[LeviathanZero]

So the rumoured "Talk him down" option doesn't exist?

[Shady314]

? Geez people. Try and play Shep as a real person and not as a colored bar. You can easily, VERY easily fill your paragon bar while gaining a good number of renegade points along the way.

Oh and as far as I know you can't talk that guy down. He wants you dead if he can't have Grunt and he can never have Grunt so.... It's really a good thing to kill him anyways. He's undermining Wrex and TRYING TO KILL YOU.

Modifié par Shady314, 01 février 2010 - 08:32 .

[ScorpSt]

LeviathanZero wrote...

So the rumoured "Talk him down" option doesn't exist?

It exists. I don't remember how I did it but I did. Was Wrex alive in your playthrough?

[AtreiyaN7]

Interesting if there is an option to talk him down, but let's face it: Gatatog Uvenk is a hardcore traditionalist. I'm not sure he can be convinced to stand down. If anyone has done it, I'd be interested. Anyway, I wouldn't worry about the Renegade points. Just pick the responses truest to yourself - you'll safely max out Paragon in time (I did - have one bar of Renegade though but it doesn't bother me at all as there's room to be harder-edged sometimes).

Edit: poster above says she did it - doh. Well, if you remember do post it - I'd like to know.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 01 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[LeviathanZero]

ScorpSt wrote...

LeviathanZero wrote...

So the rumoured "Talk him down" option doesn't exist?

It exists. I don't remember how I did it but I did. Was Wrex alive in your playthrough?

Wrex is indeed alive.
Is that perhaps the key? If Wrex is alive the guy is too pissed and too pushy to get Grunt on his side that there's no way to make him back down?

Or was telling him he's an arse when he was ****ing to the Shaman maybe what triggered it. Hmm.

[ScorpSt]

LeviathanZero wrote...

ScorpSt wrote...

LeviathanZero wrote...

So the rumoured "Talk him down" option doesn't exist?

It exists. I don't remember how I did it but I did. Was Wrex alive in your playthrough?

Wrex is indeed alive.
Is that perhaps the key? If Wrex is alive the guy is too pissed and too pushy to get Grunt on his side that there's no way to make him back down?

Or was telling him he's an arse when he was ****ing to the Shaman maybe what triggered it. Hmm.

No, Wrex was alive in my playthrough too. Maybe it had something to do with me headbutting the guy when he was talking to the Shaman. I was doing a Paragon playthrough, but I figured on Tuchanka, you shouldn't show any weakness.

[DirkD13]

Hmm, I seem to recall i got paragon points for that. Ended up killing the guy too.

[LeviathanZero]

ScorpSt wrote...

No, Wrex was alive in my playthrough too. Maybe it had something to do with me headbutting the guy when he was talking to the Shaman. I was doing a Paragon playthrough, but I figured on Tuchanka, you shouldn't show any weakness.

Hrm.. that bit I didn't do, though I did just about everything else (ie, all the other options I used in that conversation were the "screw off bothering us" options)

[ScorpSt]

LeviathanZero wrote...

ScorpSt wrote...

No, Wrex was alive in my playthrough too. Maybe it had something to do with me headbutting the guy when he was talking to the Shaman. I was doing a Paragon playthrough, but I figured on Tuchanka, you shouldn't show any weakness.

Hrm.. that bit I didn't do, though I did just about everything else (ie, all the other options I used in that conversation were the "screw off bothering us" options)

Maybe that's it. Headbutt the guy and he veiws you as a Krogan.

I don't think he was the only one either. EDI said we got 9 mating requests for Grunt, and one for my Shepard.

[AdrynBliss]

I chose 1) "Your call Grunt" and got only paragon points *shrugs* i have noticed i sometimes get a few renagade points even when i specifically chose only paragon options.
I think its biowares way of allowing you the option of using renagade options if you decide to.

To clarify, If you've only ever go paragon but then decide you want to choose a renagade option in a paticular situation you wouldn't be able to, you'd be locked out of doing so and so it's no longer really your choice.

So when you get a chunk of paragon points you get a small handful of renagade points as well, not because you did something renagade but as a sort of reward or unlock allowing you more scope in your decisions instead of being trapped on one path.

Modifié par AdrynBliss, 01 février 2010 - 09:00 .

[LeviathanZero]

Well, just went back, loaded an old save and nutted the guy back when chatting to the Shaman. No luck, exactly the same choices.



AdrynBliss, did you end up fighting him or talking him down? And what conversation options did you choose before stating that it was Grunt's choice?

[Gill Kaiser]

You're dealing with the Krogan. Being a Renegade is what they respect. My Shepard tailors his demeanour to the specifics of his situation, and on Tuchanka he saw that he needed to headbutt people.

[LeviathanZero]

Well yes, local customs etc, but personally I'd prefer not to be shooting Wrex's allies, however much they're trying to backstab him. Enemy you know and all that.

[KainrycKarr]

LeviathanZero wrote...

Well yes, local customs etc, but personally I'd prefer not to be shooting Wrex's allies, however much they're trying to backstab him. Enemy you know and all that.

I didn't in any way see Gatatog as an ally of anyone, tbh.

[LucidStrike]

"He's the ultimate Krogan" was kind of Ubermensch-like. I hated that.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 01 février 2010 - 10:18 .

[Jigero]

Actually I think it's a glitch, there have been other situations where I chose all paragon and still got  some renegade for no real reason what so ever. Just go with it, it doesn't really affect anything

Modifié par Jigero, 01 février 2010 - 10:20 .

[Jadenyah]

So, I tried letting the time limit run out without killing the Thresher Maw and my renegade points were reduced (15 to 5). This was actually harder to do lol... since with all my upgrades, my party members could kill it without my help. I just put them behind some stairs and waited. Anyway, it was just a test... it's more fun to just blast it to pieces :]

[Daeion]

Shady314 wrote...

? Geez people. Try and play Shep as a real person and not as a colored bar. You can easily, VERY easily fill your paragon bar while gaining a good number of renegade points along the way.

Oh and as far as I know you can't talk that guy down. He wants you dead if he can't have Grunt and he can never have Grunt so.... It's really a good thing to kill him anyways. He's undermining Wrex and TRYING TO KILL YOU.

I'm not playing a game to play real life, some ofus want our chars to be the pinnicale of morality or lack there of.

[Daeion]

AdrynBliss wrote...

I chose 1) "Your call Grunt" and got only paragon points *shrugs* i have noticed i sometimes get a few renagade points even when i specifically chose only paragon options.
I think its biowares way of allowing you the option of using renagade options if you decide to.

To clarify, If you've only ever go paragon but then decide you want to choose a renagade option in a paticular situation you wouldn't be able to, you'd be locked out of doing so and so it's no longer really your choice.

So when you get a chunk of paragon points you get a small handful of renagade points as well, not because you did something renagade but as a sort of reward or unlock allowing you more scope in your decisions instead of being trapped on one path.

I choose your call which was the top option and got renegade points, so I reloaded the trial and wen with the middle option, my guess is he says no, and still got renegade points...

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

Daeion wrote...

Shady314 wrote...

? Geez people. Try and play Shep as a real person and not as a colored bar. You can easily, VERY easily fill your paragon bar while gaining a good number of renegade points along the way.

Oh and as far as I know you can't talk that guy down. He wants you dead if he can't have Grunt and he can never have Grunt so.... It's really a good thing to kill him anyways. He's undermining Wrex and TRYING TO KILL YOU.

I'm not playing a game to play real life, some ofus want our chars to be the pinnicale of morality or lack there of.

ME2 isn't designed that way though.  Some renegade points are unavoidable....  just like real life. 

BioWare was very very sneaky in that regard and I think they did it partially to annoy all those people who'll reload over and over just to get rid of Renegade points.  They're sneaky how they award them at times too, so you might have to redo an entire mission sequence (like an entire loyalty mission) again, only to still pick up renegade points anyway.  Some points are awarded WHILE you're doing a transition and you get no indication of it happening.  No matter how fast your computer is.

It bugged me a bit too at first, but to be honest, Shepard's reactions throughout the first game along the Paragon path tie directly into that.  No matter how good you try to make yourself, he/she still had some rather bordlerline comments.  The way Shepard talks to the Council initially and then at the end underscore my point.

I won't even get into the plethora of threats and so on that Shepard does doing "paragon" options to get his/her way in ME1 either.  Those options and the ensuing dialog are something someone who's the "pinnacle of morality" would cinge at.  Face it, your idea of how you want your character to be, and the limit BioWare decided to impose on how Shepard is aren't necessarily going to coincide.  Shepard might be a good person, but Shepard is also someone who'll get the job done no matter what.  Sometimes you have to break a few eggs because it's completely out of your control.

[SWAGLE NUTS]

. . . . .I didnt want to accumulate any renegade either, cuz i noticed my scars coming back, and that stupid medbay thing is expensive.


. . . . .i tried, i really did to not kill that thresher maw. . . . . . .But Cains call was too great. . . . . .I couldn't help it. . .

Modifié par SWAGLE NUTS, 01 février 2010 - 05:24 .

[ScorpSt]

SWAGLE NUTS wrote...

. . . . .I didnt want to accumulate any renegade either, cuz i noticed my scars coming back, and that stupid medbay thing is expensive.


. . . . .i tried, i really did to not kill that thresher maw. . . . . . .But Cains call was too great. . . . . .I couldn't help it. . .

You nuked the Thresher Maw? Was it a one shot kill? How awesome was it?

I only got to use the nuke gun on a pair of YIMR Mechs and a pair of Scions (did nothing to the Husks that hadn't crawled up yet).

[aceofspades1217]

Ok so I had tried this a couple of times and when I did the "So he can't join the clan one" I got 15 renegade AND paragon points...SCORE.

So just choose the bottom one...just like any other time the bottom one is always paragon. 

Yea and I didn't even have to use my nuke....my viper sniper with Garrus's Armor Piercing squad ammo sliced the maw like swiss cheese. :happy:

Modifié par aceofspades1217, 07 février 2010 - 09:23 .