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[Little Paw]

No Godak...everyone male over 16 has an XBox or PlayStation.

Every Dad I know plays these consoles.

Now tell people you are playing on your PC, and these console players will then say, why would you want to play on a PC when you can play on a console?

We keep saying it, but we are not admitting it's impact: casual gamers are the reason why gamers are not considered geeks any longer, BUT casual gamers require games that Non-geeks can play.

It is kind of like growing up in the 80's as a metal head. Now, heavy music is so widely accepted people forget how harshly metal heads were treated back then. I know, I was one.

[Ferelden Templar]

5 years ago, the Xbox 360 was top of the line. The PC just caught up and exceeded it in specs.

I just like the convenience of compartmentalizing my gaming to the XBox. I quit WoW because I couldn't get anything done on my PC.

To tell you honestly, I'm planning to upgrade and play DAO for the PC now. It has become cheap enough to do that - plus the Old Republic beckons.

On metalheads: We had a different experience here in Manila. Metalheads and the hip-hoppers frequently clashed in gang wars here. I appreciated both, but I was more of a rocker meself. Rock was more accepted overall - Metallica, Guns and Roses etc. But we knew about Megadeath, ACDC et al.I think the Indonesians appreciate that music a lot as well.

[Mordaedil]

Akimb0 wrote...

Simple answer: Yes.

Just look at DA:O and ME2 as examples of how console development (or rather lack of) is ruining the PC gaming market. Simple games, on an old game engine = easy money.

I don't see how DA:O fits in there. It was a PC game until one year ago (one and a half development time) when they started preparing the game to be ported over to the consoles.

Though I'm just happy for every game I can run on max settings on my very updated computer.

Are consoles holding PC games behind? Yes, but mostly because developers stopped thinking about developing for them. However, this has happened before. It's a thing that goes in waves in this industry.

PC gaming isn't dead.

[Layn]

Little Paw wrote...

No Godak...everyone male over 16 has an XBox or PlayStation.
Every Dad I know plays these consoles.
Now tell people you are playing on your PC, and these console players will then say, why would you want to play on a PC when you can play on a console?

most of the people i know have no consoles. They only play on PCs (except when they are at my house or i brought my wii to whereever). they say why waste money on a console if you have a PC anyways. I don't know any parents that plays more than Solitaire

[Borschtbeet]

Yes, consoles are holding back PC games. It's not the fault of consoles though.



What many gamers forget to realize is that we're talking about a business here, not a charity.



PC gamers need to stop thinking they're entitled to games for free and give up their addiction to piracy if they hope for developers to put more of an investment in the PC gaming market.



Piracy happens across all platforms but the PC market is smaller overall and thus piracy has a bigger impact.

[Livemmo]

Borschtbeet wrote...

Yes, consoles are holding back PC games. It's not the fault of consoles though.

What many gamers forget to realize is that we're talking about a business here, not a charity.

PC gamers need to stop thinking they're entitled to games for free and give up their addiction to piracy if they hope for developers to put more of an investment in the PC gaming market.

Piracy happens across all platforms but the PC market is smaller overall and thus piracy has a bigger impact.

This simply isnt true. The percentage of pc users that pirate video games are just a step up from the xbox 360 users that do that same. Piracy isnt killing pc gaming, the developers are killing pc gaming. If piracy was that bad I wouldnt have both a DA:o and ME2 logo next to my name.

[Godak]

Little Paw wrote...

No Godak...everyone male over 16 has an XBox or PlayStation.
Every Dad I know plays these consoles.
Now tell people you are playing on your PC, and these console players will then say, why would you want to play on a PC when you can play on a console?

Heh, you just made me think of this time when I was talking to my friend about "Strategy games on the computer" and this older (late 30s, early 40s) women asked "Strategy games? Like Peggle?! I love Peggle!"

I was very emotionally distraught after that...

[bzombo]

my fear is that soon pc gaming will be thought of as playing whatever is on facebook. man, i hate facebook.

[Little Paw]

Crrash wrote...

Little Paw wrote...

No Godak...everyone male over 16 has an XBox or PlayStation.
Every Dad I know plays these consoles.
Now tell people you are playing on your PC, and these console players will then say, why would you want to play on a PC when you can play on a console?

most of the people i know have no consoles. They only play on PCs (except when they are at my house or i brought my wii to whereever). they say why waste money on a console if you have a PC anyways. I don't know any parents that plays more than Solitaire

Where do you live?
In New Jersey there is practically no household with children that does not have a console.
Almost every guy I know, and I am 40, has been gaming since PONG.

[Little Paw]

Godak wrote...

Little Paw wrote...

No Godak...everyone male over 16 has an XBox or PlayStation.
Every Dad I know plays these consoles.
Now tell people you are playing on your PC, and these console players will then say, why would you want to play on a PC when you can play on a console?

Heh, you just made me think of this time when I was talking to my friend about "Strategy games on the computer" and this older (late 30s, early 40s) women asked "Strategy games? Like Peggle?! I love Peggle!"

I was very emotionally distraught after that...

Haha, that's hilarious!!!

[bzombo]

you know how sometimes people like to argue over what is or isn't a sport? same should be done for games. peggle is not a game! neither is anything on facebook/myspace. nor is anything else i deem unworthy. :-)

[Little Paw]

The glass half full is that gaming is no longer the taboo, mind numbing child killer that the special interest mouth breathers thought it was a few decades ago.

Many educators, the military (who knew this for years), and parents see that some gaming increases brain activity and hand eye coordination.

I am not talking about content, or ratings, just the fact that there are actually healthy benefits to gaming.

[Mordaedil]

bzombo wrote...

you know how sometimes people like to argue over what is or isn't a sport? same should be done for games. peggle is not a game! neither is anything on facebook/myspace. nor is anything else i deem unworthy. :-)

Nor are console games?

Geez, such a thing can see so much abuse.

[fluffyamoeba]

Is console darts a sports game?

[Freebeers]

too lazy to read the thread but I've been discussing this with a game writer friend. because of the stagnating economy or whatever, the console generation life has been extended forcing games companies to optimize and be creative in using that 5 year old technology. The result I think is good. Games are still getting better, and they still run on my old ass PC. ME2 is simply a masterpiece of computer coding and graphics optimization - and this is something that makes me proud to pay for software licenses.

[bzombo]

i love pc games! i could play minesweeper all day! :-P

[Nasarak]

Short answer to OPs question is: Yes. I like playing on both PC and consoles but it's kind of sad to see that my PC isn't getting the games it should because most developers don't think it's worth their time/money when they can make lesser games across platforms. Not to say that there aren't great console games, I just know we could be experiencing much more innovative gameplay than we have right now.

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

elmephd1 wrote...
Far easier and cheaper to stick with the same console for 5 years.

+ slightly more expensive games
+ 1 TV set
+ 1 PC because there are some things that your console just cannot do.

I'm not convinced consoles really are cheaper.
But who am I to judge, I was biased from the beginning.

- You can't add a TV to the price of a console, because who doesn't already own a TV?

- Similarly you can't add a PC to the price because I've never needed one to do anything with a console. I will grant you that I've heard people sometimes need a PC to configure a modem for them to play online... but the two guys I know who needed to do that borrowed a laptop for the job.

Consoles are less expensive to own for the performance you're getting period. They're even more cost effective to develop for. And that's exactly the problem. If it was easier/less expensive for most people to own a PC we would have tons of outrageously good games and there would be no reason to make this thread.

Modifié par Nasarak, 05 février 2010 - 08:57 .

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Nasarak wrote...
- You can't add a TV to the price of a console, because who doesn't already own a TV?

I don't.

- Similarly you can't add a PC to the price because I've never needed one to do anything with a console. I will grant you that I've heard people sometimes need a PC to configure a modem for them to play online... but the two guys I know who needed to do that borrowed a laptop for the job.

I'm talking about stuff like surfing or working. You cannot write your term paper on a PS2 for example.

[Nasarak]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

I don't.

I'll rephrase: ~90% of people who buy consoles own a television previous to the purchase. I imagine it's exceedingly rare for anyone in the market to buy a console to not already own a television so adding the price of a television to the price of a console isn't reasonable.

I'm talking about stuff like surfing or working. You cannot write your term paper on a PS2 for example.

Then we were debating entirely different issues. The PC is a much more versatile platform than any console could ever be and can be used for many different tasks and I was arguing against that point you'd clearly be right. But that's not the issue on the table right now. The discussion was, I thought, purely about gaming.

Since people don't buy consoles to surf the web or write papers I don't see your point. If a person buys a console for the purpose of playing games (as most people do) then adding the price of a PC to that purchase because the console can't do other things makes no sense. It would be like adding the price of a refrigerator because the console cannot also keep your food fresh.

[Little Paw]

Freebeers wrote...

too lazy to read the thread but I've been discussing this with a game writer friend. because of the stagnating economy or whatever, the console generation life has been extended forcing games companies to optimize and be creative in using that 5 year old technology. The result I think is good. Games are still getting better, and they still run on my old ass PC. ME2 is simply a masterpiece of computer coding and graphics optimization - and this is something that makes me proud to pay for software licenses.

Great point which has not been brought up.
The economy slows down larger purchases, leaving us with older consoles, and new games get better for these consoles.
And yes - my PC runs them too and it is almost 3 years old.
Good stuff Freebeers.
(I am thirsty now for some reason)

[boomgosthedino]

Consoles are not really that much cheaper.. Example you pay what $200 something now for a 360 yet in a few years you already have to drop another 200+ for a new console ever few years, not to mentions when they brake like most do you spend more and more money.. Also example you have that 120GB hard drive, what do you do when that runs out? your forced to delete stuff or again blow more money on a new hard drive..



But you can build a good PC 600 and up, that will last way longer then any console would with out having to do any major expensive upgrades... It's not about always buying the newest upgrade out you don't need that $600 GPU that just come out you don't have to buy a sixcore CPU when it comes out.. My PC is 5 year sold only thing I've upgraded was RAM and my GPU which is a I can still run every game out today maxed out. I'm planing to build a PC soon for around $300+ that's just for the mobo,cpu, and ram the other parts I'll just use from my old PC witch anyone could do. that PC will last me many more years.. PCs are cheap and really not that hard to build it's all about getting parts that are compatible with one another and that's easy to figure out. plus it's a great hobbie.



Anyway consoles hold developers, wont explain why cause now I'm just to lazy to do more explaining XD but it should be pretty obvious why they are limited on what they can do on a console. Consoles can only handle so much.

[Statulos]

Really? I haven´t seen any single hard-core strategy game in a console; ever. And I mean stuff like Europa Universalis or Forge of Freedom.



Depends on genre, I guess, but we, strategy players, are well served.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Nasarak wrote...
Then we were debating entirely different issues. The PC is a much more versatile platform than any console could ever be and can be used for many different tasks and I was arguing against that point you'd clearly be right. But that's not the issue on the table right now. The discussion was, I thought, purely about gaming.

Since people don't buy consoles to surf the web or write papers I don't see your point. If a person buys a console for the purpose of playing games (as most people do) then adding the price of a PC to that purchase because the console can't do other things makes no sense. It would be like adding the price of a refrigerator because the console cannot also keep your food fresh.

If a PC could perform this vital task, then of course I would substract the cost of a refrigerator from the price of the PC.
Both a PC and a refrigerator are things that most households need nowadays. The job of the TV on the other hand can easily be taken over by the PC (that is why I don't have a TV set).
Even if the discussion is purely about playing, before making the shopping list, we must ascertain what is already there. And if a PC is already standing around, then you do not need to buy one to play games. If on the other hand there isn't one, then even if you decide to play games on the console, sooner or later you will have to spend the money on a PC too. Not necessarily a top-notch model, but nowadays even cheap computers can support most games.

[Little Paw]

The present consoles have been around quite a while.

A really good gaming PC is more expensive than a console.

Also, when new consoles come out, many PC gamers have to buy new PCs.

You can't sell me that PC gaming is cheaper except for the games are often $10 less.

This economy will probably keep these consoles around a few more years too...so you can expect games to get more expensive to make up for it.

[Faust1979]

I don't have my own computer anymore because well it stopped working but it was about 10 years old. But why would I play a game on a computer when I can play the same game on a console and not have to worry about specs or whether or not my computer would meet the system requirements. Some games play much better on a computer like strategy and sim games But really there isn't any reason to buy expensive upgrades for a computer when you can buy a console and not have to worry about upgrading it every so often so it doesn't get outdated.