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[MaxQuartiroli]

So we all know the disadvantages of the corruption in our bloods after we joint the Grey Wardens. Nightmares.. Insane hanger.. etc.etc.

It's a pity that we know them several time after the joining !!

Well... I believe the worst thing is to know that you are condamned to die young because your body will be slowly destroyed by corruption which left you no more than 30 years to live...
Do you think in Awakening or in a future sequel they will give us the opportunity to "break" the joining and heal ourselves from corruption (for example with some ritual...) or do you think they will never renounce to this feature in the storyline? Grey Warden = Extreme Sacrifice however that may be??

If rumors will be confermed I know we also may have several sequel of Dragon Age... Well, I trust it's not likeable to play everytime with characters we can consider "Dead Man Walking". What do you think?

[Loerwyn]

Well, Dragon Age 2 is actually confirmed =\\



I don't think it'll be "curable" to be honest, or if it is, it'll have to be within a short time of the Joining. It's where the Grey Wardens get their power from, it's what sets them apart from others. After those 30yrs, they're not going to be much use anyways - For example, if your Warden joins the order at 25 they'll be ~55 when the taint finally gets to them, at which point they'll be getting weaker anyways due to their age.

[Althernai]

There is a decent chance that Awakening addresses this issue given that:

You are the Grey Warden Commander and have been entrusted with the duty of rebuilding the order of Grey Wardens and uncovering the secrets of the darkspawn and how they managed to remain.

How you choose to rebuild your order, how you resolve the conflict with "The Architect", and how you determine the fate of the darkspawn will be but some of the many complex choices that await and shape your journey

If you can figure out the truth behind the darkspawn (i.e. what's the deal with the hive mind and the taint), you will be better equipped to deal with the corruption.

EDIT: Spacing...

Modifié par Althernai, 01 février 2010 - 01:02 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Well, Dragon Age 2 is actually confirmed =\\\\

I don't think it'll be "curable" to be honest, or if it is, it'll have to be within a short time of the Joining. It's where the Grey Wardens get their power from, it's what sets them apart from others. After those 30yrs, they're not going to be much use anyways - For example, if your Warden joins the order at 25 they'll be ~55 when the taint finally gets to them, at which point they'll be getting weaker anyways due to their age.

First of all, I am not really sure you are 25 when you join Grey Wardens... I trust when you begin DAO your character is 16-18... This means that if you are very  lucky you will die near 45... sure not more than 50

Obviously I intended a short time (some years) after the joining... I trust that after you finished you heroic mission and you achieved your duty as Grey Warden (whatever they will be) they should also give you as reward the opportunity to choose to leave the Order and live a normal life... healing yourself from corruption.. This would be a nice ending for my tastes... Hope they will give me this opportunity in future....

[Rhinna]

According to the book "The Calling", *MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD* hide your eyes if you're not done reading them yet......



It hints at a cure. Fiona (a grey warden) returns to visit Maric, and she shows no sign at all of the taint after a trip to Weisshaupt. She really has no explanation as to how it happened, at least to Maric. She IS a mage, Weisshaupt is isolated up in Anderfels, where I'm sure old magic is still practiced...who knows? If Fiona does, she's not talking

[Loerwyn]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Well, Dragon Age 2 is actually confirmed =\\\\\\\\

I don't think it'll be "curable" to be honest, or if it is, it'll have to be within a short time of the Joining. It's where the Grey Wardens get their power from, it's what sets them apart from others. After those 30yrs, they're not going to be much use anyways - For example, if your Warden joins the order at 25 they'll be ~55 when the taint finally gets to them, at which point they'll be getting weaker anyways due to their age.

First of all, I am not really sure you are 25 when you join Grey Wardens... I trust when you begin DAO your character is 16-18... This means that if you are very  lucky you will die near 45... sure not more than 50

Obviously I intended a short time (some years) after the joining... I trust that after you finished you heroic mission and you achieved your duty as Grey Warden (whatever they will be) they should also give you as reward the opportunity to choose to leave the Order and live a normal life... healing yourself from corruption.. This would be a nice ending for my tastes... Hope they will give me this opportunity in future....

It was an example, not fact. Alastair says roughly 30yrs so most Grey Wardens would likely start to submit to the taint between 45-55.
But whether there's a "cure" or not, I don't think it would be adminstered often. The Wardens are needed in case there's a Blight, but when there isn't a Blight imminent, they have to still be around. The order has to be continued, especially due to the relatively short lives of its members. They're comprised of the best and most skilled warriors and I just really cannot see Grey Wardens being "cured". Considering the amount of damage done to places like Ostagar and the reclaiming of Soldier's Peak, more wardens are needed. After the initial Ostagar battle, there's only a maximum of four Wardens left in the whole of Fereldan (You, Alastair, the Orlais bloke in Denerim and Loghain), so any "cleansing" would require very, very, very extreme circumstances.
'tis just a thought.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Obviusly.. You can't free all Grey Wardens from the joining... But you are the main character.. you successfully bring to an end some epic quest.. Freedom from corruption in your case would be intended as a reward, maybe given by the fate, not by the order..

[blademaster7]

I would love to have the option to free my character from the taint... but I don't think that's ever gonna happen unfortunately.

DAO is hardly a game where you get to live happily ever after. Even if you ended up as king/queen you still have the taint in you. The darkspawn can sense you, so it's either a)you going after them or b)the darkspawn coming after you, before eventually submitting to the Calling.

If you haven't made the ultimate sacrifice in the end, chances are you're doing it in the future against some other threat.

Modifié par blademaster7, 01 février 2010 - 03:32 .

[Loerwyn]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

Obviusly.. You can't free all Grey Wardens from the joining... But you are the main character.. you successfully bring to an end some epic quest.. Freedom from corruption in your case would be intended as a reward, maybe given by the fate, not by the order..

It would be a fitting reward, I agree. But on the other hand, it's a bit... selfish.
Who else, other than the PC Warden and Alastair, is there to recruit for the Wardens? The guy from Orlais probably goes back or stays (*if* he is the guy in Awakening) to help rebuild, but if only he stays then he'll have to rebuild the order himself. Your PC (if they survive) could go back home or be busy ruling Fereldan with Alastair etc.
I think that the PC Warden would be a great, great person to recruit for the Wardens. A lot of people respected Duncan but still seemed to think the Wardens were a bit useless. Now that he's gone and the Blight has ended, your Warden is the perfect person to recruit. You've got the fact they (depending on how you played through ofc) have basically saved Fereldan and possibly everyone in it (if you saved Redcliffe, sided with the mages etc), so you're going to have all these younger people aspiring to fight with the legendary Wardens - much like Cailan.
I'd be stuck with my Dwarf Noble, though. On the one hand she would be the perfect person to recruit - She saved a lot of people (albeit left Redcliffe to be destroyed, but that was because I made a mistake), put Alastair and Anora on the throne and survived killing the Archdemon. But on the other hand she wants to be back in Orzammar with Gorim and live out her life there.
Ah, the joys of Dragon Age, eh?

[MaxQuartiroli]

blademaster7 wrote...

DAO is hardly a game where you get to live happily ever after.

More than this... I noticed that in DAO characters often accept  Death in a very peacefully way...with a really mystic vision of it... I remeber dialogues with:

- Wynnie, who says that if you have done enough in your life to be fully satisfied you will accept to die without any problems when is your moment to die....

- Alistair, revealing you of your prospective of life after the joining, says you that Duncand told him that "It's not important how will you die.. but how you will have lived until that moment..."

- Leliana before start singing her songs tell you something very peaceful and comfortable about Death....

Due to this "mystic" vision of Death which permeate the whole game, maybe that they will not introduce a treatment against taint, but they want you to accept your destiny, and accept peacefully that you are destinated to live a short live in order to fight against evil forces....

By the way, I hope it will not be so... at least for my character's nature.. I remeber when I was discussing with Loghain about killing the Archdemons that I told him "I don't wanna die!!"

[MaxQuartiroli]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

Obviusly.. You can't free all Grey Wardens from the joining... But you are the main character.. you successfully bring to an end some epic quest.. Freedom from corruption in your case would be intended as a reward, maybe given by the fate, not by the order..

It would be a fitting reward, I agree. But on the other hand, it's a bit... selfish.
Who else, other than the PC Warden and Alastair, is there to recruit for the Wardens? The guy from Orlais probably goes back or stays (*if* he is the guy in Awakening) to help rebuild, but if only he stays then he'll have to rebuild the order himself. Your PC (if they survive) could go back home or be busy ruling Fereldan with Alastair etc.
I think that the PC Warden would be a great, great person to recruit for the Wardens. A lot of people respected Duncan but still seemed to think the Wardens were a bit useless. Now that he's gone and the Blight has ended, your Warden is the perfect person to recruit. You've got the fact they (depending on how you played through ofc) have basically saved Fereldan and possibly everyone in it (if you saved Redcliffe, sided with the mages etc), so you're going to have all these younger people aspiring to fight with the legendary Wardens - much like Cailan.
I'd be stuck with my Dwarf Noble, though. On the one hand she would be the perfect person to recruit - She saved a lot of people (albeit left Redcliffe to be destroyed, but that was because I made a mistake), put Alastair and Anora on the throne and survived killing the Archdemon. But on the other hand she wants to be back in Orzammar with Gorim and live out her life there.
Ah, the joys of Dragon Age, eh?

It depends on your desires.. After my battle with the ArchDemon for example, I choose to leave anyone and anything and travel the world with my beloved (Leliana)... Because I felt that all my characters wanted was this...  
Due to this I am still mistrustful with xpac... Because I wonder how they persuaded me to come back...

[Sandtigress]

The thirty year after the Joining thing is an estimate - if you're in a romance with Alistair and don't become queen, in one of his dialog choices he reveals that Wardens rarely live past their 40s before going to the Calling.



In addition, if you spare Loghain and take the final blow yourself, the epilogue slide states that Loghain becomes chief recruiter until his "old body" can't take the taint anymore and he goes to Orzammar.



It seems that physical strength and age contribute to when the Calling takes you, so its more like 30 years or so max, with other things factoring in.

[errant_knight]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Well, Dragon Age 2 is actually confirmed =\\\\\\\\

I don't think it'll be "curable" to be honest, or if it is, it'll have to be within a short time of the Joining. It's where the Grey Wardens get their power from, it's what sets them apart from others. After those 30yrs, they're not going to be much use anyways - For example, if your Warden joins the order at 25 they'll be ~55 when the taint finally gets to them, at which point they'll be getting weaker anyways due to their age.

First of all, I am not really sure you are 25 when you join Grey Wardens... I trust when you begin DAO your character is 16-18... This means that if you are very  lucky you will die near 45... sure not more than 50

There's a lot of disagreement about the ages of the characters and not much concensus. Personally, I think the PC is twenty-something, and Alistair is in his late twenties or early thirties. Not that  those ages make the prospect of dying in thirty years any more palatable.

I have to admit, I don't like the idea of my PC and Alistair dying in the deep roads. eventually falling to the darkspawn, but the necessity of the sacrifice is important to the story. The only way I can see it changing is if they give the story a final ending, destroying the darkspawn entirely, and that somehow removes the taint. I've never heard of a gaming company definitively ending a franchise, though. I'm not sure the business people would let them.

[IronWolf1987]

I don't think killing off the darkspawn entirely would be the end of the Dragon Age Franchise, I mean they've got so much to work with considering stuff like demons, forbidden magic, politics, crazy cults and all that jazz.

[TUHD]

@ Errant_Knight. C&C's GDI&NOD story line is suppossed to be ending with C&C 4... although knowing EA, I doubt it is for good

@ IronWolf. The darkspawn are the problematic opponent... you'd need an unknown but big opponent then.



@ OP: would be a shame. IMHO, it would feel pretty cheap unless they tie the reason and the how of the curing into a very dramatic story

[maxernst]

Well, in a medieval society dying at 50 would not be viewed as a particularly premature death, unless magical healing significantly changes the equation. Many people (even nobles) died natural deaths before that, probably most were dead before 60 anyway. And if you're going to spending your life fighting the dark spawn, there's a good chance you wouldn't even make it that far.

[MaxQuartiroli]

maxernst wrote...

Well, in a medieval society dying at 50 would not be viewed as a particularly premature death, unless magical healing significantly changes the equation. Many people (even nobles) died natural deaths before that, probably most were dead before 60 anyway. And if you're going to spending your life fighting the dark spawn, there's a good chance you wouldn't even make it that far.

In a medieval world... Not in a Fantasy world... Did you read Lord of the RingS? Do you remember King Elrund at what age died?

[Carodej]

What about the WK DLC? The Grey Warden, Avernus, survived the taint for 200 years or so. Of course it could must be a mage thing, or even just a blood mage thing. But surely that could be used to allow Grey Wardens to live a more normal life span (however long a normal life span in DA:O is).

[TUHD]

@ Carodej... forgot about Avernus. However, like Avernus tells us, there's an limit you can bring your body to. And the experiments of Avernus are considered totally evil by the most people I guess... torturing, killing and abusing people to find a powerboost for the Wardens (making the boost for a limited group).

And the only reason Avernus managed it was because he used blood magic - he tells you that when you question him.



*wonders* I allowed him at one playthrough to continue his experiments, although I didn't finish that playthrough. Do you get something about it in the ending if you allowed him to experiment further?

[errant_knight]

TUHD wrote...

@ Carodej... forgot about Avernus. However, like Avernus tells us, there's an limit you can bring your body to. And the experiments of Avernus are considered totally evil by the most people I guess... torturing, killing and abusing people to find a powerboost for the Wardens (making the boost for a limited group).
And the only reason Avernus managed it was because he used blood magic - he tells you that when you question him.

*wonders* I allowed him at one playthrough to continue his experiments, although I didn't finish that playthrough. Do you get something about it in the ending if you allowed him to experiment further?

Not , he comes up with nothing, but I suppose it could be a triggered option in future DLC.expansions. Even if Avernus was trying to find a positive thing for the entire world, most people would still find his actions evil.   And yeah, Avernus practiced the most vile kind of blood magic. There's no way Alistair would make use of something that came from that, and my PC wouldn't either.

[Carodej]

@errant_knight, the darkspawn must be stopped...whatever it takes. However vile his actions may be in making his discoveries, the past is past. If you were a Cousland, would you not use Starfang just because it used to belong to Arl Howe who used it to kill your parents? If the process required the deaths of innocents, I might agree with your point of view. But if it had just become a recipe of casting certain spells and darkspawn blood?



@TUHD, I know Avernus used blood magic to do this. What I don't know is if it will only work on someone with the ability to do magic, or possibly is something that is part of a blood magic spell/ritual than can only be done on one's self, or if it's something that a blood mage could do for any Grey Warden.

[nubbers666]

cough* coward * i mean hi lol

[errant_knight]

Carodej wrote...

@errant_knight, the darkspawn must be stopped...whatever it takes. However vile his actions may be in making his discoveries, the past is past. If you were a Cousland, would you not use Starfang just because it used to belong to Arl Howe who used it to kill your parents? If the process required the deaths of innocents, I might agree with your point of view. But if it had just become a recipe of casting certain spells and darkspawn blood?

@TUHD, I know Avernus used blood magic to do this. What I don't know is if it will only work on someone with the ability to do magic, or possibly is something that is part of a blood magic spell/ritual than can only be done on one's self, or if it's something that a blood mage could do for any Grey Warden.

Well, you are certainly free to play being a grey warden as you wish. As am I. My belief is that Avernus went to far and has to die for his crimes in the same way that Loghain has to die. Luckily, Alistair agrees with me, so that wasn't a problem. Personally, I think there are limits to 'whatever it takes', or there's no appreciable difference between the wardens and the darkspawn. And no, I wouldn't use a blade that killed my parents, except to kill the bastard that did it. Then I'd throw it into the lava in the deep roads.

In any case, you say 'what if it had become'.... It doesn't matter what it becomes, it began with the torture and murder of the grey wardens who were trapped with him. That's unacceptable, to me.

[DJ0000]

My Warden doesn't want a cure, my human noble has no desire to return to Highever on a permanent basis, my mages don't want to return to the hell hole of a prison. My Warden's are Warden's til the end in my opinion so if they do something with a cure I would not want it to be compulsary.



As long as I'm posting I might as well also add that I have no problem with what Avernus did as long as I benefit. it was evil but tbh I just want more power, that's why I always let him live and experiment with charecter's who I plan on continuing with, just in case I can get new talents. I tend to play charecter's who like power.

[MaxQuartiroli]

DJ0000 wrote...

My Warden doesn't want a cure, my human noble has no desire to return to Highever on a permanent basis, my mages don't want to return to the hell hole of a prison. My Warden's are Warden's til the end in my opinion so if they do something with a cure I would not want it to be compulsary.

As long as I'm posting I might as well also add that I have no problem with what Avernus did as long as I benefit. it was evil but tbh I just want more power, that's why I always let him live and experiment with charecter's who I plan on continuing with, just in case I can get new talents. I tend to play charecter's who like power.

Right.. These are your tastes.. so I believe It's right that you think so..
For me is different... I usually tend to play characters who deserve to live a normal life with friends and beloved after all their journeys