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ToshiStation38 wrote...

BlackHopeZero wrote...

Myself, i chose not to romance Miranda (even if it was very hard to resist) but to be loyal for Ash. After Miranda resigned from Cerberus in the end, i felt that i made a wrong decision. :pinched:

Well, i was happy that i had Kelly at least! :wizard:


I think it may be possible to romance Miranda in ME 3. You can turn her down, claiming the mission to be too important. She says something akin to "let's be friends, and maybe we'll see what the future holds".


Oh yeah, forgot that line. Well, there's hope at least! ^_^

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BlackHopeZero wrote...

ToshiStation38 wrote...

BlackHopeZero wrote...

Myself, i chose not to romance Miranda (even if it was very hard to resist) but to be loyal for Ash. After Miranda resigned from Cerberus in the end, i felt that i made a wrong decision. :pinched:

Well, i was happy that i had Kelly at least! :wizard:


I think it may be possible to romance Miranda in ME 3. You can turn her down, claiming the mission to be too important. She says something akin to "let's be friends, and maybe we'll see what the future holds".


Oh yeah, forgot that line. Well, there's hope at least! ^_^


Yeah, I'm actually considering making a special gamesave just to see what that bit of dialog leads to.

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Honestly, the fact that there are all these options to consider in ME3 really makes me want to play over and over again. I want to have every option available to me in ME3, even if it means playing ME1 for the Liara aspect, which I never did.



But its more about what your Shep would want. Would he feel totally left in the cold by Ash after the encounter on Horizon? Would he love Ash regardless and stick with her? Its all up to you. For me, I have multiple Shepards and each has his own reasons for things. The Miranda option just seems like the way to go. Almost as if Bioware was pointing at Miranda and saying "Yeah, pick her. It will be totally worth it in ME3".

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Ashley is, without a doubt, the worst example of a friend and a lover. No matter what happens, even if you save her from certain death and give your life to save her from the Collectors, she will hate you with every fiber of her being because you decided to do a favour to the people who brought you back to life. Hell, LIARA did more for you than Ashley ever will.



But Miranda... she spent two years trying to bring you back to life, she has so much more depth and personality than Ashley, and she actually welcomes any race and species into the team with open arms, unlike the **** in white and pink.



Miranda wins, by a long shot.

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i chose to stick with ash, rather be loyal and see what ME3 holds. Bioware has been great with character development, and I think they will have a special treat for those who choose to stay loyal

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Miranda by a mile

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Arelyte wrote...

Miranda, hands down. Ashley was really happy to see me on Horizon...not.

lol i really was dissapointed in that apperance by ashley but i didnt expect much out of her anyways

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KainrycKarr wrote...

Tali.


This your two both suck

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If Miranda was tank born, why does she have a belly button o.O

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Miranda Lawson PERFECT BODY

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Sardonii wrote...

If Miranda was tank born, why does she have a belly button o.O

maybe she had surgery to get one she doesnt like how she isnt genetically engineered

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I guess I'm in a minority when I say Ash - don't get me wrong Miranda's voice is *way* hotter (but still nothing compared to Tali's) and, well, there's only one female human mesh so she's got basically the same body under there as Ash. First of all, I can't stand Miranda's hairstyle, but that's not a huge deal. I guess I liked Ash more because of her flaws - and my Shepard was a military-raised, alien-hating, god-fearin' human too, so it just makes sense that they'd fall in together. It doesn't help that the dialogue options seemed to be pushing me away from my previous LI in a clumsy manner.

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Between the two of them, I liked Ashley more. She has a better personality, seemed like there was more character development, and Ashley wears clothes (man, that eclipse asari merc said it best in Miranda's loyalty quest).



But I picked Liara and, turns out, she was the best because she saved my ***!

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ComTrav wrote...
...But seeing ice queen Miranda melt....well...

Doesn't help that Miranda is a very useful squadmate for almost any class, and was in my party a lot. I get more attached to the characters I use more.


Agree with this post completely. Not only is Miranda very useful as a squadmate, but her story progression culminating with her giving the metaphorical finger to TIM makes me like her much more than any of the other LI's.

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Ashley was unlikeable in 1. My reunion with her on Horizon made me dislike her even more.

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Markinator_123 wrote...

Ashley was unlikeable in 1. My reunion with her on Horizon made me dislike her even more.


I actually really liked her in ME1. I was so disgusted by the way she reacted in ME2 that I personally felt morally free to go after Miranda and teh b00beez without a second thought.

Feh. Self-righteous b****. Yeah, your loyalty is with the alliance. You go and sit back in your safe barracks while Shep and his *real* friends do the hard work (i.e. Garrus and Miranda, gotta love that team - it's like I've got my old gold-standard team from ME1 back, cos' Miranda works like Liara.... B) ). And Tali. 

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Terraneaux wrote...

I guess I'm in a minority when I say Ash - don't get me wrong Miranda's voice is *way* hotter (but still nothing compared to Tali's) and, well, there's only one female human mesh so she's got basically the same body under there as Ash. First of all, I can't stand Miranda's hairstyle, but that's not a huge deal. I guess I liked Ash more because of her flaws - and my Shepard was a military-raised, alien-hating, god-fearin' human too, so it just makes sense that they'd fall in together. It doesn't help that the dialogue options seemed to be pushing me away from my previous LI in a clumsy manner.

i really love Miranda's voice i think its because i live in australia so im used to our accent:P

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Miranda. She freaking rebuilt you. She sides with you at the end if you choose to destroy the Collector ship, proving she isn't simply a brainwashed Cerberus operative who follows boss' orders (which you helped her to shed through her loyalty mission and romance). I didn't like Ashley, killed her in ME1.

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Miranda

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Miranda, again. I had to post twice to reiterate that Ashley is a horrid choice in my eyes, the way she acts in ME1 and ME2 and her beliefs that you thought you changed in ME1... well they just pop back up in ME2.



Now Miranda... so much character progression, she starts at one extreme and you are able to bring her to your side... like the other guy said, when the ice queen melted...

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I, personally, stayed faithful to Ashley, and it paid off cause they gave her some personality in ME:2

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kaloonzu wrote...

I, personally, stayed faithful to Ashley, and it paid off cause they gave her some personality in ME:2


better yet, im gonna go play the game again and screw Ashley AND Miranda (one figuratively, the other....yeah). guess we'll find out which one works best next year. ME3 FTW in 2011!

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The thing I like about Ash is that if her role were played by a male character, xenophobic Marine, bit religious, happy to kill pretty much anything without too much thought, she'd be considered pretty much a cliche. As she is she's basically no more and no less really than one ought to expect from an enlisted soldier, but she's a woman, and she's quite well spoken too, so people tend to miss those faults.

Compared to Miranda, who is a Frankensteined super operative, Ash is salt of the earth. A jarhead and a fighter. She's not so smart to be free of superstitions and she's not educated or cultured enough to be open minded about aliens. She doesn't swear like a trooper perhaps ought to, but she's solid. I'd find her more convincing if she was rougher around the edges, but either way they are not especially similar characters.

The reason Ash drops you like a hot potato in ME2 is because, as mentioned above, she's not one for nuance, half-measures or tact. She's a soldier, she was your soldier, then you left and she's back to her family, the military. Miranda might leave Cerberus for you but I get the impression that wild horses wouldn't be able to drag Ash out of the Alliance military. For you to abandon it, for her, is a great betrayal, perhaps even greater than any personal betrayal.

All in all I actually like Ash more than Miranda because ultimately Ash is a pitbull. Ashley is Wrex without the biotics. A no-nonsense dealer of death who doesn't pretend to understand the universe, just stomps on the bits of it you ask her too. Miranda is not nearly so solid. I wouldn't trust her as far as I could through her, even taking into account how far she'd bounce on that ass.

Modifié par Monglor, 02 février 2010 - 11:42 .


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i will never cheat on ashley i hope you can romance her in the third one. but if not i still wont cheat on her

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Monglor wrote...

The thing I like about Ash is that if her role were played by a male character, xenophobic Marine, bit religious, happy to kill pretty much anything without too much thought, she'd be considered pretty much a cliche. As she is she's basically no more and no less really than one ought to expect from an enlisted soldier, but she's a woman, and she's quite well spoken too, so people tend to miss those faults.

Compared to Miranda, who is a Frankensteined super operative, Ash is salt of the earth. A jarhead and a fighter. She's not so smart to be free of superstitions and she's not educated or cultured enough to be open minded about aliens. She doesn't swear like a trooper perhaps ought to, but she's solid. I'd find her more convincing if she was rougher around the edges, but either way they are not especially similar characters.

The reason Ash drops you like a hot potato in ME2 is because, as mentioned above, she's not one for nuance, half-measures or tact. She's a soldier, she was your soldier, then you left and she's back to her family, the military. Miranda might leave Cerberus for you but I get the impression that wild horses wouldn't be able to drag Ash out of the Alliance military. For you to abandon it, for her, is a great betrayal, perhaps even greater than any personal betrayal.

All in all I actually like Ash more than Miranda because ultimately Ash is a pitbull. Ashley is Wrex without the biotics. A no-nonsense dealer of death who doesn't pretend to understand the universe, just stomps on the bits of it you ask her too. Miranda is not nearly so solid. I wouldn't trust her as far as I could through her, even taking into account how far she'd bounce on that ass.

I agree with most of what you said except the bit about ashley being uneducated and uncultured (she knows poetry which is kind of cultured) also she may have seen sheperds 'betrayal' of the alliance as a personal betrayal as well as betraying the alliance itself

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i will never cheat on ashley i hope you can romance her in the third one. but if not i still wont cheat on her

Me as well, Ashley williams forever!

Modifié par DarthRic, 02 février 2010 - 03:15 .