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[Gill Kaiser]

Zaeed has no discipline, and is not a good leader. His own mercenary company shot him in the head, and he's spent most of the last few decades bounty hunting alone. He isn't able to exercise restraint for the good of the mission, as you see when you do his quest and he decides to blow up the refinery that he's meant to be liberating.

The first time I tried the final mission, I sent Tali through the vent and had Samara as the fire team leader, figuring that Samara had the experience to handle it. Unfortunately I forgot that Justicars work alone, and Tali died. I ragequit and tried again, and the second time I made it through the whole thing without a casualty.

Think: who has experience leading teams? I can think of two, for sure - Garrus and Miranda.

[Naltair]

Man785 wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Haha, what happens if you have Thane, Miranda or Jacob make the biotic field? How badly do they fail?

Miranda and Jacob aren't ideal because they are Humans. Humans, even the best ones, are still weak compared to the rest of the races. Not sure if Jack works since she is a freak of nature. LOL

Thane, like Garrus, is more Combat oriented than Biotic. (Tech in Garrus' case.)

Jack is capable of doing the biotic portion.  She does it in the trailer lol.

[Warden4423]

Naltair wrote...

Zaeed is a solo guy, he gets the job done and does not care if others die.  He is a  survivor but not a leader.

Yes, I figured that out after he died. I have to say, though, having Thane and Zaeed die makes sense. Thanes toast any way and Zaeed is older than dust.

[Looy]

I had Garrus as my Second Team leader and he was fine.

[Man785]

Naltair wrote...

Warden4423 wrote...

I had Thane do the techie part and he caught the missile to the face. Zaeed led my 2nd fire time and died with a bullet in the gut and Mordain ate it while holding the door, which I can only assume happens if you lose someone before that point. I had everyone loyal and all the upgrades as well. Kinda confused me at first but reading these forums answered a lot of my questions.

Though you would think Zaeed would be able to lead the 2nd fire team after all the merc training and stuff.

Zaeed is a solo guy, he gets the job done and does not care if others die.  He is a  survivor but not a leader.

I had Zaeed lead my first Fire Team and everyone lived.

Edit: Oh second fire team I switched to Miranda.

Modifié par Man785, 01 février 2010 - 03:19 .

[Naltair]

Not saying it is impossible just saying he isn't the best choice, I also think there is a time element in how fast you clear the areas that helps with survival.

[Naltair]

I am sure someone will come on here and say they had Jack lead a fire team and they lived just fine, so yeah...



That was facetious by the way.

[Comguard2]

Had all characters (incl. Zaeed) loyal.



Sent Tali through the vents

Garrus led the first squad

Jack for biotic barrier

Grunt escorts the Crew

Miranda leads second squad

and I ordered my party to hold the door.

For the boss battle: Tamara and Garrus.



Everyone survived except Mordin. Don't know why. Maybe it really depends on who you are taking to the boss battle - Tamara and Garrus can both use assault rifles, maybe this is a point?



Concerning the "closing door scene": First I thought Miranda died when she was hit, but it was just a minor injury. Was basically the dead animation, but with a happy ending.

[Urazz]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Zaeed has no discipline, and is not a good leader. His own mercenary company shot him in the head, and he's spent most of the last few decades bounty hunting alone. He isn't able to exercise restraint for the good of the mission, as you see when you do his quest and he decides to blow up the refinery that he's meant to be liberating.
The first time I tried the final mission, I sent Tali through the vent and had Samara as the fire team leader, figuring that Samara had the experience to handle it. Unfortunately I forgot that Justicars work alone, and Tali died. I ragequit and tried again, and the second time I made it through the whole thing without a casualty.
Think: who has experience leading teams? I can think of two, for sure - Garrus and Miranda.

Yeah, though Jacob did well too in my first run through as the first fire team leader and everyone came out alive on that part.

Garrus and Miranda tend to do the best I think as I used Miranda as the second fire team leader (2nd fire team leader always gets a shot to the gut at the end of that part of the mission.  It's a matter of timing I think and how good of a leader they are if they enough of their shields up to survive the shot.).

I used Garrus as the Fire Team leader both times in my second playthrough and things were fine

For the biotic shield, despite what Miranda says about any biotic being able to do it in theory, Jack and Samara are the only viable ones capable of doing it with the best outcome since they have the power and juice to be able to handle it and do the shockwave at the end of that part to knock the swarms back.

But yeah, I think there is a definate time element to party members survival.  I got the achievement on normal difficulty.  It's probably really hard to get on harder difficulties due to fights lasting longer.

Modifié par Urazz, 01 février 2010 - 03:40 .

[TyDurden13]

Anybody know what the difference is between holding the door and telling them to break for it?



Also: if Miranda is not loyal, will she side with the Illusive Man if you go against him? How does that play out?

[Wugger]

I hear a lot of people losing Mordin, I sent him back with the crew so he lived for me.



If it helps, just before the final battle, where you split your team into two, one to go kill human-reaper and one to hold off the collectors, if you say 'we better hurry' (or something to that effect) as opposed to the other option, the longer you take the more people die. The other option I think nobody can die (though don't quote me on that).

[sznyrak3]

I had Thane do the techie part and he caught the missile to the face.
Zaeed led my 2nd fire time and died with a bullet in the gut and
Mordain ate it while holding the door, which I can only assume happens
if you lose someone before that point. I had everyone loyal and all the
upgrades as well. Kinda confused me at first but reading these forums
answered a lot of my questions.

Why on earth did you send Thane to the vents? Well, I know, he can sneak like anybody else, but he doesn't seem very 'techy' does he?

In my play (all loyal + most upgrades) all went just fine. Tali did the 'vent' job, Garrus led the 2nd team, then Jacob led the civils to the ship. Samara did the great job with the biotic field, and... well, me (soldier), Thane and Miranda dealt with the Collectors.

Everyone survived smoothly.

[ScorpSt]

From what I can tell, the leader of your distraction team will always get shot. For some reason though, it seems only a loyal Miranda, Jacob or Garrus can survive it. I honestly thought Zaeed could handle it. Thankfully, he's the only one I lost and I'm not too broken up about it.



I'm wondering if actually having romanced someone may cause people to die, or at least be more likely to. It could be seen as your or your LI might not fully give your attention to the Mission. You might try sending your LI back as the escort or taking them with you to the final fight. It might save the rest of your crew.

[JMKnave]

As someone posted, you need the right person for the right job. You know your crew and who does what best by now.

Tali and Legion are by far the best techs. Sure there are other options but they are not as good. Tali has been a tech specialist all her life. Legion even moreso since he's actually a machine.

Miranda and Garrus are the best leaders. Miranda has led many missions for Cerberus and also spent two years leading the Lazarus project to revive you. Garrus has also led in military actions and has served for C-Sec for many years.

As for the escort mission. Zaeed is a merc and has performed a countless number of missions by himself. He is well suited to solo escort people to safety. Mordin can also do this since he's had previous training in spec tacs military operations before.

Samara and Jack are the strongest biotics. I went with Samara since she has hundreds of years of experience on Jack and as stated in her info, has power close to that of a matriarch.

There's two options for each position to ensure the best chance of survival. But again... maybe anything can happen.

[ScorpSt]

JMKnave wrote...

As someone posted, you need the right person for the right job. You know your crew and who does what best by now.

Tali and Legion are by far the best techs. Sure there are other options but they are not as good. Tali has been a tech specialist all her life. Legion even moreso since he's actually a machine.

Miranda and Garrus are the best leaders. Miranda has led many missions for Cerberus and also spent two years leading the Lazarus project to revive you. Garrus has also led in military actions and has served for C-Sec for many years.

As for the escort mission. Zaeed is a merc and has performed a countless number of missions by himself. He is well suited to solo escort people to safety. Mordin can also do this since he's had previous training in spec tacs military operations before.

Samara and Jack are the strongest biotics. I went with Samara since she has hundreds of years of experience on Jack and as stated in her info, has power close to that of a matriarch.

There's two options for each position to ensure the best chance of survival. But again... maybe anything can happen.

Actually, from what I've heard, Jacob can also lead the other team. And anyone can escort the crew back as long as they're loyal.

[inversevideo]

I went with Jack, and her biotics kept the swarm at bay. Miranda led the other team and she died. No really a loss, we had a falling out earlier, over Jack, and she went from loyal to 'normal' and would not speak to my femshep again. Kept muttering ' go speak to your new friend Jack if you want small talk'. Very irritating. Everyone else made it through though.

[Nygaard87]

I think it's awesome the way they've made it not just matter on skill, but also character, the way that garrus will survive the second fire team because he had his own team and lost them, so he wont lose another team, while zaeed will fail because he's a lone wolf merc.

[jlb524]

I kept Mordin with the party that held the door and took Jack and Miranda with me for the final boss fight. He survived. I guess Grunt looked out for him!



Samara's definitely the best choice for the biotic barrier. Jack can do it too, but I think you need to have her L5x biotic-amp upgrage. It's easy to get...just ask Jack about it.

[ODST 3]

I don't know why Mordin dies for some. I kept him with the group holding the door and he made it.

[AlphaJarmel]

Naltair wrote...

For the love of the Maker don't make Miranda or Jacob do the biotic field... just don't do it.

Lol I would love to see Jacob try.  He gets it up for a second and then says "Sorry Guys" and the shield drops....

[syn silent ops]

I only lost jack but that was on the ship, and that happened i think because i didnt buy the upgraded shield( which i thought i had bought). I used garrus for the fire teams both times, i used tali for the tech, and samara the biotics, then i told the survivors we found to fend for themselves. and never lost anyone else.

[ODST 3]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Naltair wrote...

For the love of the Maker don't make Miranda or Jacob do the biotic field... just don't do it.

Lol I would love to see Jacob try.  He gets it up for a second and then says "Sorry Guys" and the shield drops....

That's what she said... sort of.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Has anyone tried the following yet.



Have virtually everyone loyal apart from 2 people. Don't give them 2 anything important until the final battle, then pick them as your squad mates.



From a video I saw of someone who got no one loyal, the two squad mates in the final battle ended up dead and so did Shep because there was no one at the Normandy apart from Joker to save him.



So am wondering if despite the fact the others might make it out alive, if the only possible people to grab him at the end are one of his squad mates, he be dead, right? Or does one of the loyal squad mates suddenly appear next to Joker to save him?

[Fulgrim88]

Hm, i feel it's quite doable if you pick the right person for the right Job. (Given everyone is loyal, of course)

Used Legion for the Techjob (just didn't know how the Fight/Hack ratio of that part would be, so i didn't want to send in Tali), Garrus as Leader of both Fireteams, Samara as obviously strongest biotic for the field, Grunt as a tank for the Crew and Tali & Garrus (for old times sake) in the final fight.
Zaeed ended up commanding the door defense (at least he was the one reporting to me via com)

No casualties. I really don't know about the Mordin thing though, he seems to die even for people with reasonable choices

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 01 février 2010 - 07:10 .

[Annora]

Garrus was my squad 2 leader, because there's no one else I would trust to do it. Tali was my tech specialist. Mordin escorted the crew back to the Normandy. Samara was my biotic shield. Miranda and Thane were with me. I lost no one.