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[wikkedjoker]

So Brink in the Mass Effect world.

[Timex1]

AudioJane wrote...


I agree Mass Effect is a breath of fresh air in the SCI Fi universe Star Wars is so overdone and just long in the tooth now.

I 2nd that. I will always be a Star Wars fan but it is nice to get away from it. And I agree it is been to way overdone.

[Eledhan]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

Eledhan wrote...

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

Screw that crap. MMOs cannot be story driven games. It is not in their nature.

I believe Bioware intends to show the world that this concept is absolutely false.

Story can be more than personal relations with squad mates...

Besides, stories in MMO's are more about how you write your own story with your friends...at least that's how I view it...that's why it's called an MMO...

Sorry, but the only time I want to be around other people playing games is at the Pen and Paper table.

Then I guess this game is not for you...nor is any other mmo...

But we know of at least 11 million who like it...not to mention the other untold millions playing the 4 or 5 other semi-successful MMO's out there.

Or all of the CoD MW2 and Halo 3 players out there either...

We're talking about an ENORMOUS market for this kind of game, and just because you don't enjoy the concept doesn't mean it couldn't work and that story wouldn't have any meaning.

[Walker White]

Triple A MMO titles take at least 5 years to develop and cost 100 million+ to make. For every WoW, there are many, many Tabula Rasa. It is very, very high risk, high reward.



BioWare is already spending this much money on SW:TOR, and it is still unclear whether that gamble is going to pay off. Sure it will make money. But enough to recoup the costs?



Let them make that money back first.

[Timex1]

Giantevilhead wrote...



As for Mass Effect's universe being better than Star Wars. Really? It's interesting and fun but it takes tons of ideas from Star Wars, as well as Star Trek, Farscape, Warhammer 40K, Babylon 5, and a bunch of other sci-fi.

Ya ya, everything comes from something and is a copy of something else. Once something comes along first everything that follows is going to mimic it in some way and everybody is going to say it does.

Everything is a repeat of something else just slightly altered.

[Sidac]

Everything is a repeat of something else just slightly altered.

This and for those idiotic WoW fanbois out there who say that everything is a remake of wow, thats because WoW remade it off of something else.

ME MMO would ruin the good name that bioware made for mass effect.

[Timex1]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...


Sorry, but the only time I want to be around other people playing games is at the Pen and Paper table.

I am starting to go back to PnP now, since mmos have become so cliche and boring now a days.
Some of my best memories are around a table with a few friends, some dice and paper.

[Timex1]

Double post....

Modifié par Timex1, 01 février 2010 - 07:44 .

[Timex1]

Sidac wrote...

Everything is a repeat of something else just slightly altered.

This and for those idiotic WoW fanbois out there who say that everything is a remake of wow, thats because WoW remade it off of something else.

ME MMO would ruin the good name that bioware made for mass effect.

Excatly, I like where your head is at.

It would if done wrong but even than than it would not come out for a very long time from now if ever.

Modifié par Timex1, 01 février 2010 - 07:44 .

[Eledhan]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Eledhan wrote...

Now, imagine doing this with two human players instead of two AI players...powers are on a little longer cooldown, and you have 3 or 4 of these bad boy targets to kill...and that is how it would be different from WoW.  In WoW, you would only be able to do the Engineer version...just different abilities would be used based on your class...in my conceptual MMO, you could do either, based on which you prefer.

I suppose you've never done high-level PvP in WoW?

No, I haven't.  But I have a friend who has been in the top 1,000 or so and he and I have talked plenty of strategy...the game is still about what button to push and when...no aiming required.  This concept of not aiming at all is all fine and dandy if that's your thing, but I'm more into the hybrid found in ME2 of not having to do too much aiming of powers but having to aim your gun properly.

But again, as I have said about 20 times now...

THIS GAME WOULD BE FOR CONSOLE GAMERS!!!  Unless they have a way to make the PC and console versions commmunicate properly, this would be a console-only game.  Either way, there would be a limited number of actions that would be possible, so the game could be played on a keyboard & mouse or a controller, but there would be little benefit to doing so.

[phimseto]

The setting is certainly built for it, but I perrsonally hate MMOs and would prefer them to try other things: SRPGs, adventure games, co-op games, etc.



And most ideally of all: more single-player ME games!

[Eledhan]

Walker White wrote...

Triple A MMO titles take at least 5 years to develop and cost 100 million+ to make. For every WoW, there are many, many Tabula Rasa. It is very, very high risk, high reward.

BioWare is already spending this much money on SW:TOR, and it is still unclear whether that gamble is going to pay off. Sure it will make money. But enough to recoup the costs?

Let them make that money back first.

They'll have the time...

This game would not even start production until after ME3...which could be as far away as 2 years from release.

[Timex1]

@Eledhan



I am getting off here man. But I sent yea a message, so hit me up sometime bro.

[Eledhan]

phimseto wrote...

The setting is certainly built for it, but I perrsonally hate MMOs and would prefer them to try other things: SRPGs, adventure games, co-op games, etc.

And most ideally of all: more single-player ME games!

The beauty of my original concept is that this "perfect" game would be all of those rolled into one...you just pick which one you play.

For example..

Say the Soldier class uses FPS controls.  The Engineer uses 3rd person attacks/healing, and the Adept uses 3rd person The Force Unleashed-inspired combat for blasting foes...and all of this is set in a consistent and player-filled universe...

Mind = Blown

[Joshd21]

I read your warning if your not interested don't reply..yet the tempting too is just too Great. The reason Mass Effect won't work with a MMO, because one. It's designed to be a story telling game of your PC, the storyline directly impacts him and affects him

In a way the entire galaxy move around him. You are the one who gets to play the role of him, now for it to be a MMO, you need alot of space, and you need to be able to support it for MMO, create instances or things that would make the play to keep login

Star Wars MMO has been in design for a very long time and it still has not come out. There are alot of thing's that come with creating a MMO. This idea is similar to the sims online. In theory, it sound's like an alright idea. However they're is not enough material to make it work

I think it's great you want to network and talk to other people. Just very seriously doubt that Mass Effect will turn into a MMO, like Dragon Age won't be a MMO. Though the star wars will be an mmo, to be released in early 2011 or so I hear..so there's that

[Eledhan]

Joshd21 wrote...

I read your warning if your not interested don't reply..yet the tempting too is just too Great. The reason Mass Effect won't work with a MMO, because one. It's designed to be a story telling game of your PC, the storyline directly impacts him and affects him

In a way the entire galaxy move around him. You are the one who gets to play the role of him, now for it to be a MMO, you need alot of space, and you need to be able to support it for MMO, create instances or things that would make the play to keep login

Star Wars MMO has been in design for a very long time and it still has not come out. There are alot of thing's that come with creating a MMO. This idea is similar to the sims online. In theory, it sound's like an alright idea. However they're is not enough material to make it work

I think it's great you want to network and talk to other people. Just very seriously doubt that Mass Effect will turn into a MMO, like Dragon Age won't be a MMO. Though the star wars will be an mmo, to be released in early 2011 or so I hear..so there's that

So, Mass Effect is only about telling the story of Commander Shepard?  And what happens after the trilogy is over?  That's my whole point...Mass Effect may have initially been intended to be a story-telling game, but if that's all it was intended to be, then I'll go read a book for story, and play Halo for gameplay.

ME3 will be the end of the Mass Effect game play as we know it, unless they decide to do another one.  There is plenty of material to make an MMO.  I don't understand what you mean that there's not enough to make an MMO.

I never said that ME will become an MMO, I wanted to see what people thought about the idea.  You seem to be okay with a Star Wars MMO, which I think is fine, but Mass Effect just seems much more geared toward a sci-fi MMO than Star Wars does...in my opinion, of course...

And as for the warning...that was intended for people who didn't want to waste time reading...not for people who disagree...I welcome the criticism!  It helps to improve the idea.

[Suron]

Eledhan wrote...

llinsane1ll wrote...

Star Wars: The Old Republic - By BioWare

Yes, I am aware of this...I'm talking about further down the road...after ME3, which could put the release date of the ME MMO as far away as 4 or 5 years after TOR is released...

The 360 and the PS3 may not even be able to handle a game with this kind of concept.

sorry but MMO's on a console/pc are not a good mix...either the pc is dumbed down too much to cater to lack of controls for the console..or you end up with an absolutely idiotic menu system like FFXI's.

I own all 3 consoles so I'm any BUT a console hater...but I do prefer my PC games kept seperate..it's bad enough what's been done to PC games because of console retardation downgrades...

if they make it the same for PC/console WITHOUT retarding it down it would REQUIRE a keyboard/mouse..or at LEAST a keyboard.....typically that's not good (guitar hero is an exception not a basis for games that require extra hardware)

Now that said..I'd like to see an MMO based on ME universe....ONLY after ME3..since they've planned a trilogy..and honestly....I'd rather see an ME4+ before an MMO...but if they're gonna ditch ME after 3..then I'd love an MMO...this of course is years down the line way after SW:TOR

[Eledhan]

Suron wrote...

sorry but MMO's on a console/pc are not a good mix...either the pc is dumbed down too much to cater to lack of controls for the console..or you end up with an absolutely idiotic menu system like FFXI's.

I agree that they haven't mixed in the past...but with hardware becoming more and more streamlined to function with other hardware, I don't see this as a problem.  Just as a basic example...I can take my xbox 360 controller, plug it into my windows PC, and I can start playing a shooting game as if I were playing on my xbox.  Also, it's possible to take a keyboard and hook it up to a PS3...and play like you're playing on a PC...I'm not certain if there are any games that make use of this yet, but I do know it's possible. (I don't actually own a PS3 yet...not enough games I'm interested in)

I own all 3 consoles so I'm any BUT a console hater...but I do prefer my PC games kept seperate..it's bad enough what's been done to PC games because of console retardation downgrades...

I wouldn't care if this game was on PC or not...as a matter of fact, I would prefer if it wasn't, but even if it were, I wouldn't have issues with it because it would be designed with whatever controller would be used in mind.  If there's only 4 mappable powers, then a PC player would only be able to map 4 powers...I don't think a keyboard is designed well enough to handle the kind of action found in ME2 easily without pausing all the time...just a personal preference.  I'm not a console hater either...had a 360, PC, and Wii all at one time until I got tired of the Wii's lack of power and triple A games.

I don't think that PC has been downgraded because of consoles...I think consoles have been upgraded because of PC's...they are slowly but surely catching up to PC capabilities.  As a matter of fact, I believe the next generation of gaming consoles will truly be nothing more than a gaming PC with restrictions.  I mean, the 360 and PS3 are already just modified PC's...the main difference is they don't have what we are used to in terms of Operating Systems or software, but they have everything else.

if they make it the same for PC/console WITHOUT retarding it down it would REQUIRE a keyboard/mouse..or at LEAST a keyboard.....typically that's not good (guitar hero is an exception not a basis for games that require extra hardware)

I agree...it would be "retarded down" in the sense it wouldn't be like all the other MMO's out there...but that's just it...this game would be completely different from all the other MMO's out there.  It's a shooter, not a point and clicker.  The current 360 controller could handle about 9 abilities using the ME2 concept, which would be more than needed for most situations.  This doesn't even count the Power and Weapon Wheel concepts, which would work just fine in a game where you can hide behind cover.  Here's what I mean...LB, RB, LS, RS, Y, Up, Down, Left, & Right.  Back = Map, Start = Menu, X = Reload & change weapons, B = Melee, and A = Interact, Cover, and Rush.  That's more than you need for an MMO.

Now that said..I'd like to see an MMO based on ME universe....ONLY after ME3..since they've planned a trilogy

Agree 110%

..and honestly....I'd rather see an ME4+ before an MMO

I don't know how I feel about that...what's the story gonna be like?  I mean, I would imagine that the Reaper threat would be annihilated at the end of 3, otherwise it won't really be a finished story.   So, there's really not an epic story to tell after 3, unless you go to a different Reaper invasion time period...

...but if they're gonna ditch ME after 3..then I'd love an MMO...this of course is years down the line way after SW:TOR

They won't ditch ME after 3...I just don't think they'll continue the game universe by doing the EXACT SAME THING for another game.  The story will be ended in 3, (or at least it should be...that's kind of the whole point in a trilogy) so I think they'll look for another way to keep the universe in existence in the gaming community, just in another way.  I also agree that ME Online, or whatever they would call it, would not even begin production until TOR and ME3 are finished...this means they wouldn't even start on it for at least 1 year (when TOR is scheduled to release) and possibly more (whenever ME3 is released-which could be up to 2 years from now).  If that's true, then add the approximately 5 years of development required for most MMO's onto that, and we're talking about almost 7 years into the future...by then, TOR will not be an issue.

[Eledhan]

So...I figure it's time to update the OP with a couple answers to the biggest critiques I have seen of the idea...

1)  No!!!  An MMO would ruin the Mass Effect experience!!!

First, I would like to know how, exactly, this would happen...I assume these people mean that it will no longer be the game where you talk to people, have "morality" decisions and the like.  I respectfully disagree that this cannot continue to be the case.  Maybe not in an MMO, but there doesn't have to be just one Mass Effect game type after ME3...there can be an MMO, an adventure game, another Mass Effect original title, or even an RTS.  There's no telling what Bioware will do with the universe of Mass Effect, but I don't think they ever expected it to become the smashin success that it has.  I believe you could make the argument similar to #1 with any game, book, movie, or other media/toy outlet option if it's not EXACTLY the same as the original concept.

Mass Effect has transcended the concept of the current game type, and will continue to do so.  It is now a universe that is appealing for many different kinds of people; not a game type that must maintain its status as THE Mass Effect experience...I would love to experience the universe of ME in other ways besides following along with Commander Shepard ad infinitum.

2)  Bioware is already making SW:TOR, so why would they make another MMO?

Short Answer:  They won't be making it close enough to TOR to matter...see #3's answer for the long version.

3)  True, but they won't make another game that is so similar to TOR and would be in competition with TOR.

I disagree for 3 reasons...  1) This game would not even begin it's estimated 5 year development cycle until after ME3 is released...which could be as far away as 2 years from now, or as early as 1 year from now.  That means it wouldn't even be released until 5 or 6 years after the release of TOR.  2) This game will be released on Consoles (whatever those may be at the time) whereas TOR is being released for PC.  3)  This game will use shooter mechanics, or a mixture of shooter/action mechanics, similar to ME2, whereas TOR will most likely use point and click combat mechanics.  In essence, we're talking about a different combat mechanic on a different platform released 5-6 years after TOR...how in the world will it be in competition with TOR?  The target market isn't even the same.

4)  Good story cannot be done in an MMO.

Granted, this has been the case in the past, but I believe we are going to see Bioware prove this concept wrong with TOR.  Obviously, if they can't pull it off with TOR, then they probably won't be able to pull it off in MEO (Mass Effect Online, for lack of a better term).  However, the concept of story as shown in ME would never be possible in an MMO setting...you wouldn't have 10 million people saving the galaxy.  You would be able to do some other things with story, it just wouldn't be as epic as the ME trilogy has been and most likely will continue to be.  Only time will tell on this one.

5)  MMO's can't be done on consoles.

I disagree.  Look at Halo 3 and MW2...how many players are online at once?  Millions.  Every day.  Given the estimated number of years until release, MEO could easily be released on the next generation of consoles.  Microsoft is taking the approach of the 360 having a 10 year life span...we're coming up on year 5 in the 360's life cycle.  This would put MEO's release date 5-6 years from now in line to release alongside a new console.  There is no telling what kind of technology (hardware, software, and networking) will be available for a game like this, so to say that MMO's can't be done on a console is really shallow thinking.  I personally believe that the correct MMO would work like a charm on the 360...we just haven't had the correct MMO come along.

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So, to sum up...if there are other reasons why this concept wouldn't work, or if you have an issue with my answers to these first 5 major critiques of an MMO set in the ME universe, please let me know.  If there is an insurmountable problem, I will gracefully cease and desist...but as of now, I don't see any issues with this game concept.

[Kronner]

MMO games suck imho. Too generic, bad graphics, and lame 13 year old guys all over.

[Eledhan]

Kronner wrote...

MMO games suck imho. Too generic, bad graphics, and lame 13 year old guys all over.

Which is why this game will change so much of the MMO formula that it will attract more people that you prefer to play with...

This game would not be generic, would not have bad graphics, and who cares what age the people are?  Don't play with the demographic you dislike and the problem is solved.

[Eledhan]

Free Gobbie wrote...

I hope that BioWare does not make a Mass Effect MMO. I'm an old man. I'm retired from MMOs. If they release something like this, my (social) life is over.

???

In other words...you would love this game so much, you would have no social life?  I hope that's what you mean, because that is soooo true...