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[the_one_54321]

spock06 wrote...
So RPGs = no emphasis on player skill whatsoever and leave all combat up to randomly determined dice rolls?

Pretty much. The point is that an RPG is a game wherein the players success/failure is determined with no regard for your own personal skill at the action or clicking reflexes. The role replaces your own abilities.

[spock06]

Graunt wrote...

spock06 wrote...

So RPGs = no emphasis on player skill whatsoever and leave all combat up to randomly determined dice rolls?

Traditionally that's what a roleplaying game is.  You act out your part and the "game" factor is through stats and the randomness of dice rolls.  D&D was more about imagination than it was twitch reflexes.

When I was a kid I used to play a roleplaying game on the playground.  It was called space marine war.  I ran around and pointed by imagainary rifle at aliens.  ME2 has manifested my boyhood dreams in a video game.  How is that any different than D&D?  How is ME2 "less" of a roleplaying game because it doesn't have dice rolls?

[sleepforever]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Graunt wrote...

II Enix II wrote...
People who can't accept it's an RPG live in their mothers basements. They like to roll dice to see if the goblins attack them on the way to the toilet, put on a wizards outfit as they play games, and use phrases from games like "OH MAKERS BREATH". Their idea of an RPG is very different to normal people.

That's funny and all, but you obviously don't really know what roleplaying actually is since you seem to think the larping nerds are doing something completely different.  Actually they are roleplaying in the most extreme sense, such that an actor in a play would.  Chip it away a bit, add some dice and make it more "normal person" friendly and you have pen and paper games like D&D.  

Now implement such a system on a computer and you have MUDS.  Add in graphics and take away the multiplayer aspect and you have games like Wizardry and Might and Magic.  Add them to consoles and you have Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy.  Those are all the very core of what makes a real RPG.  

This game is not an RPG, it's an action game with a lot of interactive cut scenes and customization so limited that it may as well be the same as just picking up a new weapon in any other action game.

Very very well put. Very similar to what I've been saying on a number of these threads. It's just that a lot of people formed their onw incorrect ideas of what an RPG is, so when they hear the specific breakdown of how RPGs came into being and evolved into video games, they get offended and imediately reject it despite the concepts soundness.

Basically in allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll RPG u need Stats, customization, and variety of choises! WHERE R THOSE STATS IN MASS EFFECT 2 ????????????????????????????

i bet 20 dollars that u wont find them in ME2, i really bet 20 bucks!!

[the_one_54321]

sleepforever wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Graunt wrote...

II Enix II wrote...
People who can't accept it's an RPG live in their mothers basements. They like to roll dice to see if the goblins attack them on the way to the toilet, put on a wizards outfit as they play games, and use phrases from games like "OH MAKERS BREATH". Their idea of an RPG is very different to normal people.

That's funny and all, but you obviously don't really know what roleplaying actually is since you seem to think the larping nerds are doing something completely different.  Actually they are roleplaying in the most extreme sense, such that an actor in a play would.  Chip it away a bit, add some dice and make it more "normal person" friendly and you have pen and paper games like D&D.  

Now implement such a system on a computer and you have MUDS.  Add in graphics and take away the multiplayer aspect and you have games like Wizardry and Might and Magic.  Add them to consoles and you have Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy.  Those are all the very core of what makes a real RPG.  

This game is not an RPG, it's an action game with a lot of interactive cut scenes and customization so limited that it may as well be the same as just picking up a new weapon in any other action game.

Very very well put. Very similar to what I've been saying on a number of these threads. It's just that a lot of people formed their onw incorrect ideas of what an RPG is, so when they hear the specific breakdown of how RPGs came into being and evolved into video games, they get offended and imediately reject it despite the concepts soundness.

Basically in allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll RPG u need Stats, customization, and variety of choises! WHERE R THOSE STATS IN MASS EFFECT 2 ????????????????????????????

i bet 20 dollars that u wont find them in ME2, i really bet 20 bucks!!

Because ME2 is not an RPG....

[the_one_54321]

spock06 wrote...

Graunt wrote...

spock06 wrote...
So RPGs = no emphasis on player skill whatsoever and leave all combat up to randomly determined dice rolls?

Traditionally that's what a roleplaying game is.  You act out your part and the "game" factor is through stats and the randomness of dice rolls.  D&D was more about imagination than it was twitch reflexes.

When I was a kid I used to play a roleplaying game on the playground.  It was called space marine war.  I ran around and pointed by imagainary rifle at aliens.  ME2 has manifested my boyhood dreams in a video game.  How is that any different than D&D?  How is ME2 "less" of a roleplaying game because it doesn't have dice rolls?

Play acting != Role Playing.

[spock06]

Naysayers: What would you consider to be a good RPG in recent years then?

[LolaRuns]

So RPGs = no emphasis on player skill whatsoever and leave all combat up to randomly determined dice rolls?

Basically yes when it comes to combat. Except you try to skew those odds through strategy (the items you equip, the base stats you have).

When I was a kid I used to play a roleplaying game on the playground. It was called space marine war. I ran around and pointed by imagainary rifle at aliens. ME2 has manifested my boyhood dreams in a video game. How is that any different than D&D? How is ME2 "less" of a roleplaying game because it doesn't have dice rolls?

By that logic cops and robbers or cowboys and indians or playing my little princess are role playing games too just because you are "playing" a certain "role". By that logic any computer game where you play a character of any sort, whether it's master chief or Guybrush Threepwood would be a role playing game and the only ones that wouldn't be RPGs would be strategy games and Tetris. Whether one likes it or not, the term RPG has attained a certain historical meaning even if there are other games where you are playing roles/play pretend.

Modifié par LolaRuns, 01 février 2010 - 10:11 .

[spock06]

the_one_54321 wrote...

spock06 wrote...

Graunt wrote...

spock06 wrote...
So RPGs = no emphasis on player skill whatsoever and leave all combat up to randomly determined dice rolls?

Traditionally that's what a roleplaying game is.  You act out your part and the "game" factor is through stats and the randomness of dice rolls.  D&D was more about imagination than it was twitch reflexes.

When I was a kid I used to play a roleplaying game on the playground.  It was called space marine war.  I ran around and pointed by imagainary rifle at aliens.  ME2 has manifested my boyhood dreams in a video game.  How is that any different than D&D?  How is ME2 "less" of a roleplaying game because it doesn't have dice rolls?

Play acting != Role Playing.

What?

[sleepforever]

so now ur telling me that the whoooooooooole time Bioware did RPG's games and they were the best, like KOTOR, Baldur's date 1 and 2 .... they r not RPG anymore. ooooooooooh Halo is an RPG bcs i play the role of Master Chief ...!!! bro!! plz



why is the Back of my Mass effect 1 written RPG??? and y we have RPG elements?? come on!!!

[spock06]

So by all your guys standards World of Warcraft would probably be the best RPG ever correct? It has TONS of loot, a huge variety of customization, tons of possible characters, a huge world to explore, and the combat is based off nice comfy RNG.

[sleepforever]

spock06 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

spock06 wrote...

Graunt wrote...

spock06 wrote...
So RPGs = no emphasis on player skill whatsoever and leave all combat up to randomly determined dice rolls?

Traditionally that's what a roleplaying game is.  You act out your part and the "game" factor is through stats and the randomness of dice rolls.  D&D was more about imagination than it was twitch reflexes.

When I was a kid I used to play a roleplaying game on the playground.  It was called space marine war.  I ran around and pointed by imagainary rifle at aliens.  ME2 has manifested my boyhood dreams in a video game.  How is that any different than D&D?  How is ME2 "less" of a roleplaying game because it doesn't have dice rolls?

Play acting != Role Playing.

What?

+ 1 !!! WHAT????

plz Bioware give me back my 75$ ... I should have rent it and Burn it instead !!!! DAMN!!!! 75$ for crap like that!!

[the_one_54321]

spock06 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

spock06 wrote...

Graunt wrote...

spock06 wrote...
So RPGs = no emphasis on player skill whatsoever and leave all combat up to randomly determined dice rolls?

Traditionally that's what a roleplaying game is.  You act out your part and the "game" factor is through stats and the randomness of dice rolls.  D&D was more about imagination than it was twitch reflexes.

When I was a kid I used to play a roleplaying game on the playground.  It was called space marine war.  I ran around and pointed by imagainary rifle at aliens.  ME2 has manifested my boyhood dreams in a video game.  How is that any different than D&D?  How is ME2 "less" of a roleplaying game because it doesn't have dice rolls?

Play acting != Role Playing.

What?

Play acting does not equal Role Playing. Very often role playing includes play acting, but they are not always the same thing.

spock06 wrote...
So by all your guys standards World of
Warcraft would probably be the best RPG ever correct? It has TONS of
loot, a huge variety of customization, tons of possible characters, a
huge world to explore, and the combat is based off nice comfy
RNG.

Every time, it's this same tired old argument. Other games are not RPGs because they don't share the correct characteristics. WarcraftIII was a strategy because it involed unit production, base logistics, and combat strategy. RPGs do not have logistics and unit production as part of their core. The only aspects that WarcraftIII shared with an RPG is individual protagonist/antagonist characters with a statistical representation that you followed through the game.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 01 février 2010 - 10:18 .

[spock06]

So whats the difference? And for the love of god dont say DICE

[Sageless Ranger]

A "real" rpg is one where you have to remember to drink water, and space travel takes five hours real time. Not these huge decisions or visceral combat stuff.

[the_one_54321]

spock06 wrote...
So whats the difference? And for the love of god dont say DICE

Dice don't particular matter to it. They are just the way all RPGs have determined encounter or ability outcomes. The point is that Shepard points the gun, and Shepard pulls the trigger. You just tell him who to shoot and using which abilities. He'll do the rest wihtout you. Look at NWN. That was an RPG. It just had swords, archery and spells, instead of guns and biotics.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 01 février 2010 - 10:21 .

[spock06]

Sageless Ranger wrote...

A "real" rpg is one where you have to remember to drink water, and space travel takes five hours real time. Not these huge decisions or visceral combat stuff.

You're right.  I just realized something.  All you people are right.  ME2 isn't a "real" RPG.  

Thank God.

[spock06]

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[quote]spock06 wrote...
So by all your guys standards World of
Warcraft would probably be the best RPG ever correct? It has TONS of
loot, a huge variety of customization, tons of possible characters, a
huge world to explore, and the combat is based off nice comfy
RNG.[/quote]

Every time, it's this same tired old argument. Other games are not RPGs because they don't share the correct characteristics. WarcraftIII was a strategy because it involed unit production, base logistics, and combat strategy. RPGs do not have logistics and unit production as part of their core. The only aspects that WarcraftIII shared with an RPG is individual protagonist/antagonist characters with a statistical representation that you followed through the game.

[/quote]

Dude, I'm talking about WoW, not WCIII.   

[Sageless Ranger]

spock06 wrote...

Sageless Ranger wrote...

A "real" rpg is one where you have to remember to drink water, and space travel takes five hours real time. Not these huge decisions or visceral combat stuff.

You're right.  I just realized something.  All you people are right.  ME2 isn't a "real" RPG.  

Thank God.

Amen  to that, oh btw, what i said was also said in ME2 at the gamestore in the citadel rofl.

[spock06]

Sageless Ranger wrote...

spock06 wrote...

Sageless Ranger wrote...

A "real" rpg is one where you have to remember to drink water, and space travel takes five hours real time. Not these huge decisions or visceral combat stuff.

You're right.  I just realized something.  All you people are right.  ME2 isn't a "real" RPG.  

Thank God.

Amen  to that, oh btw, what i said was also said in ME2 at the gamestore in the citadel rofl.

Are you serious?  Haha GG BioWare

[sleepforever]

spock06 wrote...

Sageless Ranger wrote...

A "real" rpg is one where you have to remember to drink water, and space travel takes five hours real time. Not these huge decisions or visceral combat stuff.

You're right.  I just realized something.  All you people are right.  ME2 isn't a "real" RPG.  

Thank God.

so ........??? now Bioware is the shooter business??? I always came to them for RPG's now, with magic they do it!!! I know for GOD SAKE that Mass Effect isn't an RPG ... but ... WHY R THEY DOING SHOOTERS NOW ??????

tell me whatever u want, ME1 was an RPG, Customization, dialogs (Thats y i LOVE Baldurs gate and Mass Effect) that change the story line, My Stats, the change, now the only thing that matters is Action ................

again, i have PLENTY of  other actions games i dont need another one that the last game was an RPG

[Legbiter]

We purists know that an RPG is just an inventory management system with a story attached to it.

[the_one_54321]

spock06 wrote...
Dude, I'm talking about WoW, not WCIII.

WoW is an RPG. it's just a really bad one.

[the_one_54321]

sleepforever wrote...
Customization, dialogs (Thats y i LOVE Baldurs gate and Mass Effect)

So they made an RPG with customization and dialog and named it Baldur's Gate and you loved it. And they made a shooter with customization and dialog and named it Mass Effect and you loved it. It all sounds nice to me.

[spock06]

the_one_54321 wrote...

spock06 wrote...
Dude, I'm talking about WoW, not WCIII.

WoW is an RPG. it's just a really bad one.

By all your criteria it appears to be an excellent one...traditional style combat, huge amounts of loot, vast, open world, total player freedom...

[the_one_54321]

spock06 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

spock06 wrote...
Dude, I'm talking about WoW, not WCIII.

WoW is an RPG. it's just a really bad one.

By all your criteria it appears to be an excellent one...traditional style combat, huge amounts of loot, vast, open world, total player freedom...

I didn't say anything about loot, or open worlds. And criteria have nothing to do with quality. It is a matter of definition only.