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[danielxrefused]

Dude Miranda is genetically modified. She doesn't need to wear a space suit even in space because her skin actually reacts to space as a layer of a space suit would. Simple explanation

[Khavos]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...


I will never ever ever understand it. You have this great game, and all you can whine about is the stupid armour.

Well, yeah.  Getting everyone to actually look like a functional small unit would be a welcome break from effortlessly headshotting my way through Insanity.  Clunky TPS with RPG elements is clunky. 

[newcomplex]

The way you guys bend reality to suit your video game specifications is hilarious. I admit its illogical that Miranda wears high heals, in the same way its illogical that Super Women fights crime in a Bra and Spandex Thongs. You know what else is illogical? Carrying 60 weapons in your backpack while in a mission, and picking up every single thing from dead people as you progress. You know what else is illogical? That a member of a para-military black-ops/special investigations unit has to scavenge weapons from battle-fields, and it turns out to be vastly superior to the stuff that he is able to buy from his government funded supplier. That BRIGHT PINK ARMOR exists. That BRIGHT ORANGE armor exists. That BRIGHT RED armor exists.

Its your job as a player to filter out the crap that makes no fing sense. Because theirs plenty more then that.

You know what else is illogical?

"The Blackstorm encases a few particles of matter within a high-powered mass-increasing field, elevating them to near-infinite mass and creating a powerful localized gravity well that draws nearby enemies and objects into itself. The rapidly-increasing gravity near the event horizon of the singularity rips the objects apart and then explosively hurls them away. "

WTF...HOW CAN SOMETHING BE NEAR INFINITY. EVEN MY TWELVE YEAR OLD SISTER KNOWS HOW COMPLETELY BAT**** ILLOGICAL THAT IS. MAKES NO FFFING SENSE.

Chill out. Its a game.

Khavos wrote...

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...


I
will never ever ever understand it. You have this great game, and all
you can whine about is the stupid armour.

Well,
yeah.  Getting everyone to actually look like a functional small unit
would be a welcome break from effortlessly headshotting my way through
Insanity.  Clunky TPS with RPG elements is clunky. 

"Functional small Unit"?   Nothing in ME makes sense from a militaristic perspective.   Sniper rifles have no position in a special operation/infiltration squad.   Sniper Rifles make absolutely no sense.   Giving the infiltrator sniper rifle is about as logical as giving a infiltrator a rocket propelled grenade.

Oh wait...they did that too.

(actually, more special operatives have been given RPGs then Sniper rifler probably)

Modifié par newcomplex, 02 février 2010 - 11:59 .

[Superpowers Boothe]

Someone's already beat me to it but Miranda's genetically perfect. Which means she doesn't have to adhere to that health and safety crap. As well as defy the laws of physics.

[Tasker]

newcomplex wrote...

The way you guys bend reality to suit your video game specifications is hilarious. I admit its illogical that Miranda wears high heals, in the same way its illogical that Super Women fights crime in a Bra and Spandex Thongs. You know what else is illogical? Carrying 60 weapons in your backpack while in a mission, and picking up every single thing from dead people as you progress. You know what else is illogical? That a member of a para-military black-ops/special investigations unit has to scavenge weapons from battle-fields, and it turns out to be vastly superior to the stuff that he is able to buy from his government funded supplier. That BRIGHT PINK ARMOR exists. That BRIGHT ORANGE armor exists. That BRIGHT RED armor exists.

Its your job as a player to filter out the crap that makes no fing sense. Because theirs plenty more then that.

You know what else is illogical?

"The Blackstorm encases a few particles of matter within a high-powered mass-increasing field, elevating them to near-infinite mass and creating a powerful localized gravity well that draws nearby enemies and objects into itself. The rapidly-increasing gravity near the event horizon of the singularity rips the objects apart and then explosively hurls them away. "

WTF...HOW CAN SOMETHING BE NEAR INFINITY. EVEN MY TWELVE YEAR OLD SISTER KNOWS HOW COMPLETELY BAT**** ILLOGICAL THAT IS. MAKES NO FFFING SENSE.

Chill out. Its a game.

That's all fair ang good, and I would agree with you, if they hadn't tried to make ME1 realistically plausible.  In ME1 a space suit was a space suit, not a bikini.

[RyuKazuha]

Actually i was kind'a pissed seeing mordin only wearing a gas-mask. I like the Salarian Helmets.

I've nor problem with parts of the party not wearing actual armor, especially Thane would look rather poor in a Combat-suit. After all in this time there are materials to produce light clothing that withstands most hostile enviroments. I simply think of them wearing a custom combat suit that lacks armor plates (kind of the basic layer of the alliance suits) (excluding SuZe). We also know, that kinetic barriers are used to seal the normandys broken hull, so SuZe may protect herself that way. However, a breather helmet would have been way better than just a mask, especially for mordin, who has no biotics.

As for the vacuum exposure: Actually you are never exposed to vacuum during the game, set aside the intro, also, human bodys are able to withstand vacuum for a given period of time, as long as the eyes are covered (they might not pop out, but it'd be quite harmfull not do cover them) and you don't hold youre breath, you'd be dead by choking, way before cellular breakdown steps in.
At the IFF-Recovery-Mission you are inside of a ME-Field that keeps the ship from falling into the planet, creating what appears to be zero-G-bubble (thus enabling you to float into the normandy) Inside the Ship itself, there's obviously artificial gravity and a atmosphere (enemies don't float around and you can hear them) So there is only the chlorine-heavy planet, wich you should not show to Mordin, if you despise immersion-breaks.

Modifié par RyuKazuha, 02 février 2010 - 11:56 .

[grumpymooselion]

danielxrefused wrote...

Dude Miranda is genetically modified. She doesn't need to wear a space suit even in space because her skin actually reacts to space as a layer of a space suit would. Simple explanation

No.

newcomplex wrote...

The way you guys bend reality to suit
your video game specifications is hilarious. I admit its illogical that
Miranda wears high heals, in the same way its illogical that Super
Women fights crime in a Bra and Spandex Thongs. You know what else is
illogical? Carrying 60 weapons in your backpack while in a mission, and
picking up every single thing from dead people as you progress. You
know what else is illogical? That a member of a para-military
black-ops/special investigations unit has to scavenge weapons from
battle-fields, and it turns out to be vastly superior to the stuff that
he is able to buy from his government funded supplier. That BRIGHT PINK
ARMOR exists. That BRIGHT ORANGE armor exists. That BRIGHT RED armor
exists.

Its your job as a player to filter out the crap that makes no fing sense. Because theirs plenty more then that.

You know what else is illogical?

"The Blackstorm encases a few particles of matter within a high-powered mass-increasing field, elevating them to near-infinite
mass and creating a powerful localized gravity well that draws nearby
enemies and objects into itself. The rapidly-increasing gravity near
the event horizon of the singularity rips the objects apart and then
explosively hurls them away. "

WTF...HOW CAN SOMETHING BE NEAR
INFINITY. EVEN MY TWELVE YEAR OLD SISTER KNOWS HOW COMPLETELY BAT****
ILLOGICAL THAT IS. MAKES NO FFFING SENSE.

Chill out. Its a game.

I'll filter out the Mage throwing a Fire Ball if there's good explanation for it. There's no explanation for Miranda or Jack going around in little more than tights, or, in Jack's case - nigh on topless - on Alien worlds that even outright tell you their environment is hostile - let alone in a vacuum.

Suspention of disbelief only goes so far. Just look at ME1, it had all your squad mates in suits of some sort and with their helmets on in these vacuum or bad atmosphere areas. They did it once, and it made sense, even when other things were obviously stretching it. So there's no reason to suddenly ignore it in the sequel when you recognized it the first time around.

[Khavos]

newcomplex wrote...

Chill out. Its a game.

Indeed it is.  Which most people play to enjoy.  For some, that enjoyment in its prequel at least in part consisted of being able to kit out their squad to their liking.  

Why do you find that concept so offensive? 

[newcomplex]

Orkboy wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

The way you guys bend reality to suit your video game specifications is hilarious. I admit its illogical that Miranda wears high heals, in the same way its illogical that Super Women fights crime in a Bra and Spandex Thongs. You know what else is illogical? Carrying 60 weapons in your backpack while in a mission, and picking up every single thing from dead people as you progress. You know what else is illogical? That a member of a para-military black-ops/special investigations unit has to scavenge weapons from battle-fields, and it turns out to be vastly superior to the stuff that he is able to buy from his government funded supplier. That BRIGHT PINK ARMOR exists. That BRIGHT ORANGE armor exists. That BRIGHT RED armor exists.

Its your job as a player to filter out the crap that makes no fing sense. Because theirs plenty more then that.

You know what else is illogical?

"The Blackstorm encases a few particles of matter within a high-powered mass-increasing field, elevating them to near-infinite mass and creating a powerful localized gravity well that draws nearby enemies and objects into itself. The rapidly-increasing gravity near the event horizon of the singularity rips the objects apart and then explosively hurls them away. "

WTF...HOW CAN SOMETHING BE NEAR INFINITY. EVEN MY TWELVE YEAR OLD SISTER KNOWS HOW COMPLETELY BAT**** ILLOGICAL THAT IS. MAKES NO FFFING SENSE.

Chill out. Its a game.

That's all fair ang good, and I would agree with you, if they hadn't tried to make ME1 realistically plausible.  In ME1 a space suit was a space suit, not a bikini.

NOTHING in ME1 was realstically plausible.   You go through a warp in space and time through a ATV.    When you meet ashley, she is deployed in a combat situation with PINK ARMOR.    Nothing about the way you command the normandy, or the way you go about your mission, makes any sense or is consistent with any military, para-military or investigative/law enforcement in the entire ****ing world.     Your crew is more like the justice league then a division of the military, much less a elite special operations/investigative team.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 02 février 2010 - 11:58 .

[Khavos]

newcomplex wrote...

Sniper rifles have no position
in a special operation/infiltration squad.     

Never let anyone tell you that you can't write comedy.

[RyuKazuha]

With the pink armor you made a point. No military organization would even thinking of purchasing such a coloring. oO

[danielxrefused]

Janan Pacha wrote...

danielxrefused wrote...

Dude Miranda is genetically modified. She doesn't need to wear a space suit even in space because her skin actually reacts to space as a layer of a space suit would. Simple explanation

No.

I look forward to seeing your evidence



But seriously : "Human skin does not need to be protected from vacuum and is gas-tight
by itself. Instead it only needs to be mechanically compressed to
retain its normal shape. This can be accomplished with a tight-fitting
elastic body suit and a helmet for containing breathing gases, known as
a Space activity suit."

Trusting Wikipedia here. But honestly that kind of puts everyone's arguements to shame. Clearly Miranda is actually wearing a transparent skin-tight helmet that is molded the same shape as her head & hair. Thus we can assume she can walk around with that little breathing mask on unharmed in space! Genetic modification too! Putting that out there again. Noone knows the extent of her modification so there isn't a counter-arguement to this, which is why Janan here only thought to write "no".

We aren't told every fact so you are all just assuming ****. If you are going to critisize the game for not following the laws of physics in our world, at least have the Turian/Drell/Genetically-Modified-Superwoman information necassary to prove that this infact breaks those laws. You assuming that Drell would die due to space exposure is like me assuming Drell muscle tissue is made out of pokemon.

Modifié par danielxrefused, 03 février 2010 - 12:15 .

[steve1945]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

steve1945 wrote...

For me I dislike how we dont have armor custimizations in game. The fact that I cannot deciede what my team will wear is a negative to me. It detracts from my experience. For me the little things they left out. IE Inventory system, squad armor, more weapons. Thats a big big negative for me and I would love to have those. Infact without those things I consider ME2 a great, yet inferior game when in comparision of ME1

Before you have a heart attack, start to foam at the mouth and spew pro bioware anti me bile calm down. This is my opinion. While you may consider it wrong, bad, evil, a sin against god almighty it doesnt matter. My opinion no matter how much you hate it is valid. Just like your opinion.

Sure, but your opinion is still STUPID AS HELL. Shepard actually has more, and REAL armour options this time around. But no, you want to be able to put butt-ugly pink armour or bland green cameo crap on all your squadmates, and make them look like generic soldiers. Just like in Mass Effect 1, the pinnacle of RPG gaming. *sarcasm* I suppose you also want the 4 guns per character back, all strapped to their backs, even if they can just use the pistol? Or how about all the awesome armour for Tali? Just a bunch of recolours. Yeah, what an in-depth RPG that game was.

I will never ever ever understand it. You have this great game, and all you can whine about is the stupid armour.

Well Thats nice of you to say. Good to know that you disagree. I dont seek to argue with you or anyone. You are actively attacking my opinion for the sole reason I stated it.  I do not "whine about it" I stated a opinion.

Ill never understand why people on the internet and in real life dont seem to understand that people can have different opinions and different likes and dislikes. Yet we can all get along. You may think my opinion is retarded. But its just that. A opinion. My own. If you dont like it thats fine. Dont attack it like you have done.

Also you say "you have this great game" that is totally, utterly, and completely subjective. You may think Mass Effect 2 is as big as sliced bread or as holy as christ on the cross. I do not.

Just saying people need to have more sense. People who post their opinions on a certain subject are NOT complaining. They are just stating what they think could have gone better.

Tldr? Get over yourself. Not you but as a whole. This whole BIOWARE CAN DO NO WRONG HERP DERP is disgusting. You must realize that people have opinions that are oppisite your own. And while you may hate it or call it stupid these opinions are no less valid then your own. Real life is not black and white, there is no exact right opinion or wrong opinion

[danielxrefused]

steve1945 wrote...

Well Thats nice of you to say. Good to know that you disagree. I dont seek to argue with you or anyone. You are actively attacking my opinion for the sole reason I stated it.  I do not "whine about it" I stated a opinion.

Ill never understand why people on the internet and in real life dont seem to understand that people can have different opinions and different likes and dislikes. Yet we can all get along. You may think my opinion is retarded. But its just that. A opinion. My own. If you dont like it thats fine. Dont attack it like you have done.

Also you say "you have this great game" that is totally, utterly, and completely subjective. You may think Mass Effect 2 is as big as sliced bread or as holy as christ on the cross. I do not.

Just saying people need to have more sense. People who post their opinions on a certain subject are NOT complaining. They are just stating what they think could have gone better.

Tldr? Get over yourself. Not you but as a whole. This whole BIOWARE CAN DO NO WRONG HERP DERP is disgusting. You must realize that people have opinions that are oppisite your own. And while you may hate it or call it stupid these opinions are no less valid then your own. Real life is not black and white, there is no exact right opinion or wrong opinion

Well said.

I may disagree with your opinion but every person, ME2 fanboy or (how do I put this...) complainer(?) should read this post too before they hit that submit button! This is a public forum, be nice and your opinion will be valued way more.


p.s. your opinion suuucckkkkss                                                                  

Modifié par danielxrefused, 03 février 2010 - 12:35 .

[grumpymooselion]

danielxrefused wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...

danielxrefused wrote...

Dude Miranda is genetically modified. She doesn't need to wear a space suit even in space because her skin actually reacts to space as a layer of a space suit would. Simple explanation

No.

I look forward to seeing your evidence

Evidence: Miranda - No helmet. No suit. No seal.

[Eshaye]

You know I don't give much attention to this because otherwise I'd notice there would be other things that don't make any sense either and the experience would go downhill from there.



BUT I do agree a lot of the suits should have been left for casual on board clothing and have Miranda and Co. wear actual battle suits while in the field, more like in ME1.



I did get some satisfaction hearing the Asari Eclipse merc say to Miranda:



"I was waiting for you to finish getting dressed. Cerberus lets you **** around in that?"

[danielxrefused]

Janan Pacha wrote...

danielxrefused wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...

danielxrefused wrote...

Dude Miranda is genetically modified. She doesn't need to wear a space suit even in space because her skin actually reacts to space as a layer of a space suit would. Simple explanation

No.

I look forward to seeing your evidence

Evidence: Miranda - No helmet. No suit. No seal.

You don't need a space suit to survive in space. You don't even need to be sealed or have a helmet. You need to be mechanically compressed so that your body can retain its shape. We have no facts on the extent of how Miranda was genetically modified. Its plausible that with her father's money, modification to her body could be made so that it could retain its shape in space. Seriously, we know nothing so please stop assuming.

[TheGreenLion]

The squad "armor" kind of went the Fable II way of things, only provides a different look pretty much. Shepard, Grunt and possibly Garrus I think are the only ones that look like what I'd call "battle-ready". Haven't played long so there's some folks I didn't get to meet yet and all, but there are vague reasonings that others don't possess "combat armor" like Miranda. She's one of those "well she's a genetically altered biotic so she can get away with it" types. So she has, a "space-suit" and a kinetic+biotic barrier neither of which are up all the time, which begs the question of how her body reacts to space when none of those is viable. They can fall back on the genetic altering part. SuZe doesn't have that advantage and it can only be trivial to explain it as a biotic thing...or because she's just that badass?



Anyhow, I do think they ought to think about getting your squadmates a wardrobe akin to Shepard's for combat, customization included, and their normal attire they wear now as being part of their "casual" stuff. Poor Shepard needs some better casuals as well, hehe. Casual clothes also need some customizing options too, come to think of it.

[grumpymooselion]

danielxrefused wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...

danielxrefused wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...

danielxrefused wrote...

Dude Miranda is genetically modified. She doesn't need to wear a space suit even in space because her skin actually reacts to space as a layer of a space suit would. Simple explanation

No.

I look forward to seeing your evidence

Evidence: Miranda - No helmet. No suit. No seal.

You don't need a space suit to survive in space. You don't even need to be sealed or have a helmet. You need to be mechanically compressed so that your body can retain its shape. We have no facts on the extent of how Miranda was genetically modified. Its plausible that with her father's money, modification to her body could be made so that it could retain its shape in space. Seriously, we know nothing so please stop assuming.

Not that the argument is valid, which it's not, but even if it were it wouldn't account for all the other characters essentially wearing clothes at best. In addition, you do need to be sealed, because the vacuum isn't the only thing in space you have to deal with. Not to even mention that it's not just space but planets with hostile environments that can have effect beyond just what you breathe.

[sinosleep]

Do these planets on which you can bring Jack, Miranda and co specify that the toxins are anything other than toxins transmitted through breathing? Cause if not, you don't have an argument.

[newcomplex]

Khavos wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Sniper rifles have no position
in a special operation/infiltration squad.     

Never let anyone tell you that you can't write comedy.

You have no ****ing idea how military tactics work.   Sniper rifles will NEVER be used in special operations or infiltration squads unless theirs a scenario specific reason why you would need one.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 03 février 2010 - 01:32 .

[CMD-Shep]

Laterali wrote...

Man there's so many of these threads... Can we look at this objectively? This is a game where there are giant bugs running around with laser beams, and big lizards crawling through air vents shooting blue people with tentacles for a head. And "Big, stupid jellyfish" asking whether or not you feel fortunate that the heat sink is spent or not... And you're here saying it's not realistic cause they aren't wearing armor while fighting aliens that look like they have a butt where their head should be...

My advice, relax. There are far greater worries in this life than how BioWare is going to explain how their shields work... This is a piece of fiction after all, things don't have to fit neatly in our world of logic. Otherwise instead of playing Mass Effect 2, we'd be playing Have You Filed Those TPS Reports 7....

^This

It's called suspension of disbelief folks. Don't forget, you're also on a SPACE SHIP with ALIENS, but those last two are tottaly believable as opposed to the whole "not wearing space suits" thing. Right? <_<

[newcomplex]

Janan Pacha wrote...

I'll filter out the Mage throwing a Fire Ball if there's good explanation for it. There's no explanation for Miranda or Jack going around in little more than tights, or, in Jack's case - nigh on topless - on Alien worlds that even outright tell you their environment is hostile - let alone in a vacuum.

Suspention of disbelief only goes so far. Just look at ME1, it had all your squad mates in suits of some sort and with their helmets on in these vacuum or bad atmosphere areas. They did it once, and it made sense, even when other things were obviously stretching it. So there's no reason to suddenly ignore it in the sequel when you recognized it the first time around.

And the explanation is that they are using biotic barriers to do so.   

[grumpymooselion]

sinosleep wrote...

Do these planets on which you can bring Jack, Miranda and co specify that the toxins are anything other than toxins transmitted through breathing? Cause if not, you don't have an argument.

Does it matter? They don't have suits. No matter the environment they can't function without suits, yet the game puts them in said environment despite. In Space. Anywhere. Heck, there were countless planets you could visit in ME1 where it forced full suits on people.

I can't believe people are arguing for Jack in a bikini top in space as being somehow reasonable - vacuum aside there are all sorts of forces in space that you do not want exposed to in any way.

newcomplex wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...

I'll
filter out the Mage throwing a Fire Ball if there's good explanation
for it. There's no explanation for Miranda or Jack going around in
little more than tights, or, in Jack's case - nigh on topless - on
Alien worlds that even outright tell you their environment is hostile -
let alone in a vacuum.

Suspention of disbelief only goes so
far. Just look at ME1, it had all your squad mates in suits of some
sort and with their helmets on in these vacuum or bad atmosphere areas.
They did it once, and it made sense, even when other things were
obviously stretching it. So there's no reason to suddenly ignore it in
the sequel when you recognized it the first time around.

And the explanation is that they are using biotic barriers to do so.   

No they aren't. Maintaining Biotic barriers of that sort for any amount of significant time is impossible for any of them but Jack and Samara. At the end everyone else dies when they try to maintain one if you pick them instead of Jack and Samara, and even Jack and Samara get tired - not to mention they can't maintain said barrier while also doing anything else like, you know, fighting.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 03 février 2010 - 01:34 .

[Mikey_205]

One problem I have with armor in games like ME and Dragon Age is that armor is designed as a full polygon it doesn't wrap onto your character. So if you have swappable armour everyone starts to look identical. I must say I am irked that she will be in space with her catsuit on even I know thats a complete no-no. Its a pity because that was something ME1 strived to avoid on the toxic planets.

Modifié par Mikey_205, 03 février 2010 - 01:32 .