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[john william]

The conversation reminded me of the depth you find with your typical "outcast" teenager, which I found more pathetic than endearing. "Blah, blah, blah Nietsche, blah, blah blah."



I will keep her for my renegade Shepard, however. Don't need that Justicar chasing me down after our mission is done.

[Solus Knight]

Maxiric wrote...

Someone who purposefully kills people merely for her own pleasure/freedom? It would be like someone today going and sleeping around with people while having AIDs that they are somehow immune to but still communicable.

While I agree that one should not technically be cloistered if one had the condition, denying them the right to have sex/mind meld with people hardly seems inappropriate or unfair.

I do disagree with the Justicar code, it reeks of an "ends justify the means" philosophy that I don't agree with, but I still could never choose Morinth over Samara.

Not sure where to start with this... First off, that's not even remotely the same thing, it's more like someone going around and strangling the people they have sex with because they enjoy that part of it. And the imprison or kill part... gotta look at it from the asaris' perspective. The more the Ardat Yakshi kill with the melding, the more they need it (Samara compared it to a drug addiction) so your choices are pretty simple. Let a sex-addicted murder run around killing her partners because it's immoral to lock people up, or set them up for life and just exclude them from society. I can't say it's an easy thing to do, when i heard that part i was a little conflicted, but when you consider the options, well sometimes your choice gets made for you.

And the justicar code isn't a 'ends justify the means', it's a state of morality. It's a simple 'black or white' idealism. I disagree with it just like you do, but it makes sense from a perspective. It certainly simplifies life, you either make the right choice or the wrong one. Shame life isn't really that easy.

[SmilingMirror]

I loved the VA for Mornith but sadly Samara and her get shafted story wise.

[BigEd420]

She's a succubus don't try to diddle her or she'll still Ur soul.

[DarthCaine]

Try sleeping with her and then we'll see how much you like her

[Kileyan]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Yeah... I liked Mornith's character... but I got ishy when we were alone in her apartment.... and she was coming closer...

I actually thought that Samara wouldn't get there in time....


also... sorta creepy that Shepard is attractive to an insane sexual predator serial killer in the first place....

Yeh, she is attracted to artists. I found the explanation that Sheperd is an artist at war, as kind of lame:)

Tragic character and all, but no redeeming qualities. He special power seems interesting, but I can't imagine even a full renegade Shep thinking it is a good idea to put someone on his ship who has an uncontrollable need to kill anyone she finds interesting.

[Okami_Stormson]

I would have preferred she not be written as "OMG TEH EBIL" and there actually have been a chance to sympathize with her.

[Valcutio]

It was pretty black and white. Did she choose to be what she was? No. Did she try to control it? No. She is a killer, she chooses to remain a killer. I, too, wish Bioware had fleshed out her character a bit more. Added some reason to choose her. There wasn't one. Renegade Shepard and Paragon Shepard would both be stupid to take her over Samara. It makes no sense from any angle to take her over the Justicar who is already sworn to your cause.



I guess somebody could justify it just to stand out from the crowd. *shrugs*

[GtarTravis]

I didn't like Morinth's morals and beliefs, but I like her personality, especially after I picked her. The way she said "Oh this is gonna be fun" gave me chills... in the good way too! She just seems to radiate in badassery!

[WrexShepard]

Jaekahn wrote...

If I'm not mistaken, romancing Morinth leads to one of the ways Shepard dies in the game. I'm curious about that ending, but I don't know if its truly worth wasting the hours you put into the playthrough.

I don't know if it ends the game, it might just give you a "critical mission failure" screen.

Even if it didn't just load the last save.

[Vamp44]

I like them both, but my favor is for Samara. I just couldn't let her be killed.

[OutlawJT]

To be honest, I think Morinth is a much more interesting character than Samara. Yes, she's a killer but she doesn't do it with the intent to kill. She does it for the experience and just excepts that murder is a consequence of her actions. There is a subtle albeit largely inconsequential difference as far as the rest of the universe is concerned. While the number of people she's killed is horrendous I actually actually sympathize a little with how she came to that lifestyle. I mean, life as an isolated lonely shut-in or an exciting life on the run. It's not much of a choice either way. Mind you, I'd never side with Morinth on any remotely paragon play-through but I still think she's more interesting.

[lokiarchetype]

I -wish- I could be completely baffled at how anyone could like Morinth, who is a friggin mind raping serial killer.



However, at this point I'm used to people liking characters that they really shouldn't.

[NoUserNameHere]

Even my pure renegade Shepard doesn't have Chronic Backstabbing Disorder, so no, I never even thought about trying to screw over Samara.



For the record, Samara is one of my least favorite characters. I STILL didn't think about the decision.

[Weskerr]

I know this is just a game, but Morinth makes me sick to my stomach. She's a amoral, sadistic, murderous monster. Bioware did a good job conveying her character as such.

[MMkain]

Both Samara and Morinth are ethically dubious. The primary difference between the two is motivation, Samara's motivation is her code and Morinth's is her nature. Samara needs no other justification for her actions outside of her code. In her recruitment mission, she admits that she has no qualms about killing the police officers if they choose to get in her way, regardless of the fact that they are simply doing there jobs by upholding the law. According to Samara's logic, she would be willing to kill any number of good people that get in her way in order to kill a single evil person. Likewise with Morinth, she requires no justification outside of her own nature. She knows what she is and knows that regardless of her actions she would be treated the same as any other Ardat-Yakshi. So rather then fight what she is or choose to submit to incarceration, Morinth embraces her predatory nature. Samara even admits that she is proud that her daughter choose not to hide from what she was.

I can see Shepard making the choice to save Morinth if he disagreed with the Justicar's code and believed that he could prevent Morinth from killing by keeping her under his supervision. A naive, but plausible choice.

Modifié par MMkain, 02 février 2010 - 03:13 .

[Jonas TM]

IMO she is even more dangerous than Jack. Jack will kill you if you bug her, Morinth will kill you because it is part of her being.

I compare it to story about a scorpion asking a fox to carry him across a river. The fox is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion reassures him that if it stings, they would sink and the scorpion would drown as well. The fox then agrees, but half-way across, the scorpion stings him, dooming the two of them. When asked why, the scorpion explains, "I'm a scorpion; it's my nature."

I view Morinth in the same way. There is no safe way to have her anywhere near you.

Modifié par Jonas TM, 02 février 2010 - 03:22 .

[SkywardDescent]

No... I... Did... Not.

Its annoying to talk like that, huh?

[coinop25]

I could see a Renegade Shepard being concerned that Samara is just going to kill him/her afterward anyway. Alternatively, if Renegade Shepard actually believes that Morinth would be a better tool to fight the Reapers, s/he would do what needs to be done.



Mostly, though, I want someone who has Domination on my side.

[Da Mecca]

One of the high points of the game was when her mind control didn't work on Shepard.



Shep was all like "lolno"





The Samara came in and we got the fireworks show of a lifetime.

[BigEd420]

I tend to not like succubus' Because, well I like not dying.

[Jonas TM]

BigEd420 wrote...

I tend to not like succubus' Because, well I like not dying.

^This made my day

[MatronAdena]

Da Mecca wrote...

One of the high points of the game was when her mind control didn't work on Shepard.

Shep was all like "lolno"


The Samara came in and we got the fireworks show of a lifetime.

sad point later on if you save her and sleep with her, you die...so much for being able to resist >.<

[Vicious]

Jaekahn wrote...

If I'm not mistaken, romancing Morinth leads to one of the ways Shepard dies in the game. I'm curious about that ending, but I don't know if its truly worth wasting the hours you put into the playthrough.

Buddy, that's what Youtube is for.