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[magnuskn]

I am not talking about the main plot in regards to the Reapers. I think it is pretty likely that the third game will be you uniting the different races for a giant battle against the Reapers and there are tons of interesting materials as for how that would unfold.

No, what I am talking about is the very high modularity of your teammates survival. As Shepard can die, it is clear that BW will have 4 VAs for the main character in ME3.

*edit* Okay, dead Shepard means you cannot import that save into ME3. Ignore that point of my post. *end edit*

But since everybody can die in the final mission of ME2, it seems very probable that squad members from ME2 ( Tali, Garrus, Mordin would be my picks ) which can be squad members in ME3 will have very generic storylines, since they cannot be plot critical.

For example, if Tali is a possible member, the plot to recruit the Quarians could not have her critical role as a daughter of an admiral and status as hero of the Quarians be a critical element of that story arc, since she is potentially dead.


I could well be partially wrong however, since BioWare knows that leaving out Tali and Garrus ( and Mordin. Damn, he is one awesome character ^^ ) would enrage fans so much that they would be willing to invest the resources to have two completely different ways for such a "recruit the Quarians" story arc, one involving Talis unique background and one for a "generic Quarian ally".

I just cannot see how they'd do that for all the ME2 squad members. Then again, most of them are not really critical to a more political storyline, like the one we can expect in ME3.

In any case, I fear BioWare finds itself in a bad position for ME3.

They can either go the route of ME2 and write out all current squad members into minor plot roles, risking immense fan backlash from the fans of the really popular characters ( Tali and Garrus for sure, Mordin will develop a very loyal following, too, I suppose ).

OR they can invest massive resources into making ME3 really so modular that at least most fans will be pleased. I don't doubt that BW has the resources and will to do so, but the story implications are huge, to say the least.

My fear: BioWare went a little bit too far with the "everyone can die" ending and we as a consequence we will miss out on the proper character arcs for the best characters of ME1 + ME2.

*edit: "Reapers" not "Reavers". I blame me being very tired. ^^

Modifié par magnuskn, 01 février 2010 - 11:14 .

[Ozymandias23]

If you use Mass Effect 1 as an example then the fate of the ME2 squadmates is very clear. Anyone who could die in ME1 got a tiny cameo in ME2. Everyone can die in ME2 so .... cameo central. I think even Tali and Garrus will be reduced to cameo status.



Casey Hudson has already said in an interview that they're thinking up new squad mates for ME3.

[CptKyleBuddha]

Tali must stay

[gr00grams]

Well, they wrote more story holes than this as well;

Like who cares if your shepard dies? they can build you again... and again,.... and again...
I realize it was insanely expensive, but still.

It's pretty simple, ME1's story absolutely dominates this ones, but ME2's character progressions are still somewhat better... but that was the whole game... so they should be a bit better.

Modifié par gr00grams, 01 février 2010 - 09:12 .

[Thrakkesh]

It's entirely possible that they include favorites as a party member and simply don't have them available at all for Legacy characters who got them killed. No character in any game is 'integral' to the plot, they've all been modular so far, why would that change? You killed Mordin, he's not an available party member or his plot point/dialogue is shut down.



Of course there's going to be new party members for ME3: It's a new game. They have to give players *some* new stuff.

[Auru]

I think new squadmates is definately the way to go, I loved seeing Tali and Garrus back in tow in this game but honestly, they are familiar.. I was alot more interested in some of the newer personalities like Thane and Samara.. Bioware write some really great characters into there games and i'm looking forward to more

[Zombie Kronn]

Well, i'm sure that Bioware have planned out the trilogy in such a way that they have accounted for this, concerning the Quarians and having/not having Tali survive the suicide mission, all it would take is a little more voice work, maybe having Tali there would make the dialogue trees different, and that's pretty much it, the plot could progress without her, Shephard would just have to argue her case herself.



I doubt we're going to get many more squad members for ME3, as we pretty much have all the races covered. although i personally want a Volus and Hanar squadmate

[Nozybidaj]

Ozymandias23 wrote...

If you use Mass Effect 1 as an example then the fate of the ME2 squadmates is very clear. Anyone who could die in ME1 got a tiny cameo in ME2. Everyone can die in ME2 so .... cameo central. I think even Tali and Garrus will be reduced to cameo status.

Casey Hudson has already said in an interview that they're thinking up new squad mates for ME3.

Expecting more than this would be setting one's self up for disappointment.  Expect, at best, a return of Liara and an all new squad with possible cameos in ME3.

[Kalfear]

magnuskn wrote...

I am not talking about the main plot in regards to the Reavers. I think it is pretty likely that the third game will be you uniting the different races for a giant battle against the Reavers and there are tons of interesting materials as for how that would unfold.

No, what I am talking about is the very high modularity of your teammates survival. As Shepard can die, it is clear that BW will have 4 VAs for the main character in ME3.

But since everybody can die in the final mission of ME2, it seems very probable that squad members from ME2 ( Tali, Garrus, Mordin would be my picks ) which can be squad members in ME3 will have very generic storylines, since they cannot be plot critical.

For example, if Tali is a possible member, the plot to recruit the Quarians could not have her critical role as a daughter of an admiral and status as hero of the Quarians be a critical element of that story arc, since she is potentially dead.


I could well be partially wrong however, since BioWare knows that leaving out Tali and Garrus ( and Mordin. Damn, he is one awesome character ^^ ) would enrage fans so much that they would be willing to invest the resources to have two completely different ways for such a "recruit the Quarians" story arc, one involving Talis unique background and one for a "generic Quarian ally".

I just cannot see how they'd do that for all the ME2 squad members. Then again, most of them are not really critical to a more political storyline, like the one we can expect in ME3.

In any case, I fear BioWare finds itself in a bad position for ME3.

They can either go the route of ME2 and write out all current squad members into minor plot roles, risking immense fan backlash from the fans of the really popular characters ( Tali and Garrus for sure, Mordin will develop a very loyal following, too, I suppose ).

OR they can invest massive resources into making ME3 really so modular that at least most fans will be pleased. I don't doubt that BW has the resources and will to do so, but the story implications are huge, to say the least.

My fear: BioWare went a little bit too far with the "everyone can die" ending and we as a consequence we will miss out on the proper character arcs for the best characters of ME1 + ME2.

Becuase everyone can die, ME3 will have new squad mates like ME2 does because no way for Bioware to know who lived and died for each individual game!

For the Quarians, when you go to recruit them you will talk to Tali if she survived, if not you will talk to Admiralty using your long standing relationship with her to get aid.

Same for Geth, if Legion survived he will be there to talk to, if not you will talk about him.

It will work just like Wrex in ME2.

[4lex_7ru]

You can't import a game where he dies so they will still have only 2 VAs. Also they can't rebuild you again, your body gets destroyed in a massive explosion.

[Kittykat1984]

I know one person that can't die. Legion a terminal of the geth. Any geth can replace him after all. I've yet to see Garrus die in my party, Also Thane, Grunt and tali have all lived. Miranda, Jack, Legion, Jacob, and our singing Salarian all died once in my game...but again we don't know anything yet.

[magnuskn]

Since I think that the next game will be much more "plot-centric" than "character-centric", maybe BW doesn't need to have the squad members be as central to the plot.

The obvious exception would be Tali and Legion, since their storyline in ME2 was so tied up with their respective races. Garrus actually isn't very involved with the Turian government, neither is Mordin or Grunt.

Legion is easily replaceable, the Geth would just make another one of him, but Tali is very difficult to replace. They would at least have to write another Quarian team member who completely replaces her, in case that she died in your version of ME2.

But not having her in the squad in ME3 would invoke Wrath Beyond Imagining ( thunder rolls outside ), so I think she'll be a squad member in the next game.

4lex_7ru wrote...

You can't import a game where he dies
so they will still have only 2 VAs.

Uh, source?

Modifié par magnuskn, 01 février 2010 - 09:22 .

[InvaderErl]

That would be the biggest kick in the balls ever, if only Liara could come back.



Blah.

[Ocelot83]

I also fear the plot (different choice variables) may blow up in Biowares face. ME 3 will probably spend 5 years in the making, will consist of 10 dvds, and be 10 hours long.

[Litos456]

TALI AND GARRUS MUST STAY D:<

[Time Well Spent]

Bringing in a new cast wouldn't be the best move for the final part in a trilogy, I think Bioware would rather put in the hours than listen to disenchanted Tali fans cry over her being unavailable in ME3 after being prominent in 1 and 2.

[vallix]

I was under the impression that if you died..that's it. You have to import an entirely new Shepard. Am I wrong?

[Nautica773]

Ozymandias23 wrote...

If you use Mass Effect 1 as an example then the fate of the ME2 squadmates is very clear. Anyone who could die in ME1 got a tiny cameo in ME2. Everyone can die in ME2 so .... cameo central. I think even Tali and Garrus will be reduced to cameo status.

Casey Hudson has already said in an interview that they're thinking up new squad mates for ME3.

This seems most logical. Also, a game where Shepard dies will obviously be ignored. Don't suddenly expect a new protagonist in ME3. 
I suspect the survival of certain members will make recruiting races in the third easier (Tali makes the Quarians easier, Legion the Geth, Mordin the Salarians etc...). 
Expect to see Liara recruitable and probably Kaiden/Ashley. 

[Gill Kaiser]

Shepard dying just breaks your personal timeline. Your Shepard's story ends there, and if you thereafter happen to buy ME3 and play it, you can't continue as your Shepard and must make a new one.

There's no way they're making an entirely new character (male AND female!) just on the off-chance that Shepard died, sorry to disappoint you. The costs would be far too excessive, and the trilogy would be disrupted by a protagonist shift of that magnitude.

[marshalleck]

magnuskn wrote...

4lex_7ru wrote...

You can't import a game where he dies
so they will still have only 2 VAs.

Uh, source?

A number of interviews with Casey Hudson prior to ME2's release where he talked about Shepard's story, potential death, and the direction of the trilogy.

[magnuskn]

Well, I haven't heard anywhere that you cannot import a save where Shepard died, so I think 4lex_7ru was using conjecture.

[vallix]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Shepard dying just breaks your personal timeline. Your Shepard's story ends there, and if you thereafter happen to buy ME3 and play it, you can't continue as your Shepard and must make a new one.
There's no way they're making an entirely new character (male AND female!) just on the off-chance that Shepard died, sorry to disappoint you. The costs would be far too excessive, and the trilogy would be disrupted by a protagonist shift of that magnitude.

Lol, I was like are the people in this thread really that naive or could I possibly be the only one who knows this?

No offense to those said people.

Modifié par vallix, 01 février 2010 - 09:27 .

[Crackseed]

No, they can definitely do what they did with Samara/Morinth. Bioware can easily put in a "new alternate" to cover an integral role. Just like how if your Shepherd dies, you'll be playing a new Shepherd for the story arc - say Tali died. A new Quarian can be added in to cover her role - not with the same interactions, but to fill the same story place. It occured a couple times in ME2 and gives them room to customize the game based on our actions.



I can't imagine the fanbase handling ME3 well if everyone of note/importance is "sidelined" just because of the choices the devs gave us in ME2.

[Lady Discordia]

To be honest, i'll be extremely disappointed if our ME1 LI doesn't return after their tiny cameo in ME2. I think that we deserve a resolution to that relationship, moreso if our Shepard's stayed loyal. Maybe if you stayed loyal, your ME1 LI could be a squadmate but if you weren't your ME2 LI will be?



I hope we get a nice mix of ME1 and ME2 squad mates as well as some new faces. After all, Shepard has spent months building up the trust and loyalty of those men and women and it wouldn't make sense for them to disappear in what will be the greatest galactic war in history... If I were Shepard, i'd make sure they were the first people on my ship!



But i'd like to see some newbies who want to help Shepard. Maybe instead of Shepard having to go and recruit people, and couple of talented folks may approach Shepard? After all, there must be a few people in the galaxy who are interested in whether or not life continues XD

[Scire The Warden]

Hopefully we see the old characters back...it doesn't really make sense to spend a whole game learning about a new batch of characters to just discard them in the next one.