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[magnuskn]

marshalleck wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

4lex_7ru wrote...

You can't import a game where he dies
so they will still have only 2 VAs.

Uh, source?

A number of interviews with Casey Hudson prior to ME2's release where he talked about Shepard's story, potential death, and the direction of the trilogy.

Could you link to that? I never saw those interviews, and I think I tried to be on the up-and-up about ME2 before its release. Could of course be that I simply missed them, but this is the first time I've heard about a "dead Shepard" save not being able to be imported into ME3.

[Shadow-Novus]

vallix wrote...

I was under the impression that if you died..that's it. You have to import an entirely new Shepard. Am I wrong?

You're right. Savegames that have Shepard being killed in the suicide mission can not be imported.

Essentialy, that's the non-cannon ending. 

Every other scenario ('x' amount of teammates killed) is fair game though.

[ussbones]

(Spoilers)I agree, Tali and Garrus must say. From what I heard, cheating on your ME1 LI has consequences for that relationship in ME3. Don't forget, there's also the possibility that Tali could be exild, so there's a good chance she'll either turn down admiral if you won the trail or just stay on the ship if you lost.



Me, I intend on having many playthroughs, with each possibility haha, have probably a good two years to get my choices down.

[0Gabe0]

you need to relax.. they delivered 2 stellar games... the story was planned out from day one. they dont make the game and then decide what to do from scratch...its all planned

[marshalleck]

Nautica773 wrote...

Ozymandias23 wrote...

If you use Mass Effect 1 as an example then the fate of the ME2 squadmates is very clear. Anyone who could die in ME1 got a tiny cameo in ME2. Everyone can die in ME2 so .... cameo central. I think even Tali and Garrus will be reduced to cameo status.

Casey Hudson has already said in an interview that they're thinking up new squad mates for ME3.

This seems most logical. Also, a game where Shepard dies will obviously be ignored. Don't suddenly expect a new protagonist in ME3. 
I suspect the survival of certain members will make recruiting races in the third easier (Tali makes the Quarians easier, Legion the Geth, Mordin the Salarians etc...). 
Expect to see Liara recruitable and probably Kaiden/Ashley. 

Honestly, if the ME2 crew is sidelined in ME3 then I think it bodes even worse for characters from ME1, despite Bioware's talk of "saving" them.

If you're  new to the series with ME2, these characters come out of nowhere and either chastize you or act very cold toward you. And then they force out your old crew in ME3? I don't think the new fans would be pleased with that, especially if they force out the ME2 romances. And they'd make even less sense to players who will be new to the franchise in ME3.

[cpolisch]

magnuskn wrote...

Since I think that the next game will be much more "plot-centric" than "character-centric", maybe BW doesn't need to have the squad members be as central to the plot.

The obvious exception would be Tali and Legion, since their storyline in ME2 was so tied up with their respective races. Garrus actually isn't very involved with the Turian government, neither is Mordin or Grunt.

Legion is easily replaceable, the Geth would just make another one of him, but Tali is very difficult to replace. They would at least have to write another Quarian team member who completely replaces her, in case that she died in your version of ME2.

But not having her in the squad in ME3 would invoke Wrath Beyond Imagining ( thunder rolls outside ), so I think she'll be a squad member in the next game.

4lex_7ru wrote...

You can't import a game where he dies
so they will still have only 2 VAs.

Uh, source?

Right here:
http://blogs.ign.com...9/06/17/123208/

"But Mass
Effect is a trilogy about Commander Shepard’s journey - if your Shepard
dies in the end of Mass Effect 2, that’s the end of him / her. In that
case, you can play Mass Effect 3 as “a” Shepard – just not “your”
Shepard. As in real life, not being able to keep living is really the
main down-side of death. So if you care about playing the next game
with your character, make sure you survive this one. "
-Casey Hudson

And please don't say maybe he has a brother.  They made it very clear that dying in NOT canon. 

[Vengal345]

You'd assume a representative of each race should be there before the final battle, another Quarian if tali is dead or another Krogan of Grunt/Wrex are dead as said above me seems reasonable. At worst why not write parts for those characters and put them on your ship at least, make Tali an engineer, Grunt ship defense, Garrus on the cannons. That way they don't have to be Squad members but if you kept them alive you possibly get a bonus for doing so.

[magnuskn]

I'd still like to see a link to somewhere where that is corroborated by a dev.



And who knows, BioWare is at this moment investing immense resources into making Star Wars: The Old Republic, so who says that they cannot invest the fraction of resources ME3 would need to be as complex as it should be? It certainly already sold enough copies...

[marshalleck]

magnuskn wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

4lex_7ru wrote...

You can't import a game where he dies
so they will still have only 2 VAs.

Uh, source?

A number of interviews with Casey Hudson prior to ME2's release where he talked about Shepard's story, potential death, and the direction of the trilogy.

Could you link to that? I never saw those interviews, and I think I tried to be on the up-and-up about ME2 before its release. Could of course be that I simply missed them, but this is the first time I've heard about a "dead Shepard" save not being able to be imported into ME3.

I can't, because I'd have to Google them which is something you can do on your own. I don't keep links to them on hand.

[I am not a spy]

gr00grams wrote...

Well, they wrote more story holes than this as well;

Like who cares if your shepard dies? they can build you again... and again,.... and again...
I realize it was insanely expensive, but still.

It's pretty simple, ME1's story absolutely dominates this ones, but ME2's character progressions are still somewhat better... but that was the whole game... so they should be a bit better.

How would they get his body back after him dying at the end?
(I haven't beaten the game yet so I may be wrong)

[cpolisch]

I just sent a link to the IGN article. Look up a few posts.

[I am not a spy]

edit: damn double post.

Modifié par I am not a spy, 01 février 2010 - 09:36 .

[magnuskn]

cpolisch wrote...

Right here:
http://blogs.ign.com...9/06/17/123208/

"But Mass
Effect is a trilogy about Commander Shepard’s journey - if your Shepard
dies in the end of Mass Effect 2, that’s the end of him / her. In that
case, you can play Mass Effect 3 as “a” Shepard – just not “your”
Shepard. As in real life, not being able to keep living is really the
main down-side of death. So if you care about playing the next game
with your character, make sure you survive this one. "
-Casey Hudson

And please don't say maybe he has a brother.  They made it very clear that dying in NOT canon. 

Ah, thanks. Well, I could word-wrangle the sentence into something, but no, it seems clear enough.

Very well, they won't need 2 new main VAs in addition to the current ones.

Now, let's hope they do invest those resources into Tali, Garrus and the more interesting rest of the cast.

[vigna]

Probably all your crew will have cameos. Longer missions will involve Tali, Garrus, Legion, Liara. I assume Samara was just a fill-in for Liara, because she will be so integral to the plot of ME3 and she couldn't die. I think all of your NPCs will be cameos with the exception of Tali, Garrus, Liara, and Legion. Bioware will then take the 2 fan-favorites from ME2 and make them central to the plot. BW will then add 2-4 new NPCs.



My two cents.... also look at who you were forced to use to get full survival--Garrus, Miranda, Samara, Jack, Tali and Legion. look for them to possibly reappear for that reason alone.

[Eumerin]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Expecting more than this would be setting one's self up for disappointment.  Expect, at best, a return of Liara and an all new squad with possible cameos in ME3.

Along with the surviving Alliance squad member from ME1 and Joker.  Pretty much everyone else has a "dead point" somewhere in the plot where you can get him/her killed as of now.

Where exactly Bioware intends to take the squad system in the next game I don't know, though I would hope that people who play all three games and had exactly one relationship would be rewarded with a payoff somewhere along the line (Bioware has apparently indicated such a payoff for people who stayed faithful to their ME1 LI; I would hope that it would also apply to people who played ME1 but didn't develop a love interest until ME2).

Aside from that, I'm as puzzled about Bioware's intentions for the squad in ME3 as I am with how Bioware intends to allow us to stop a massive fleet of ridiculously powerful warships.  Just gathering the entire galaxy into a massive alliance isn't going to be enough...

[Commisar_V]

My guess is that ME3 will be much more plot-centered and less Character centered. Quests to do with your characters, while they might be in there, well-done, and long, even, will not be mandatory, and the vast majority of the plot will be Shepard going in with *Insert two characters here* to stop the Reapers from taking over planets, destroying the citadel, the galaxy, etc.

[Nautica773]

marshalleck wrote...
Honestly, if the ME2 crew is sidelined in ME3 then I think it bodes even worse for characters from ME1, despite Bioware's talk of "saving" them.

If you're  new to the series with ME2, these characters come out of nowhere and either chastize you or act very cold toward you. And then they force out your old crew in ME3? I don't think the new fans would be pleased with that, especially if they force out the ME2 romances. And they'd make even less sense to players who will be new to the franchise in ME3.

My best guess is you'll be able to recruit Liara and Kaiden/Ashley, and the rest of the crew will be new faces. Romance interests from 2 will likely be the same as what happened in 1, you can meet them somewhere but they're busy preparing for the Reaper invasion (Tali getting the Flotilla, Jacob/Miranda working for Alliance or Cerberus, Garrus with the Citadel, Jack and Thane I'm sure they'll come up with some excuse).

[ComTrav]

magnuskn wrote...

I'd still like to see a link to somewhere where that is corroborated by a dev.

And who knows, BioWare is at this moment investing immense resources into making Star Wars: The Old Republic, so who says that they cannot invest the fraction of resources ME3 would need to be as complex as it should be? It certainly already sold enough copies...

Because a successful MMO is like printing money every month.

I'm sure it would be possible to make a 10-disk ME3 bringing back everyone from both ME1 and 2 as playable characters, but it would cost like 200 dollars. (And quite possibly take forever to come out.)

Making and introducing new squadmates, and giving them a character arc for the player to discover, is what Bioware DOES. I hope they have a mix of ME1 and 2 squadmembers with 'just enough' ME3 characters to cover your tech/soldier/biotic bases if you got a lot of deaths in ME2.

Another option--depending on how similiar the gameplay engine of ME3 is to ME2--is that they just recycle what's already in the game. Which is interesting--would you rather have someone back as playable, but essentially the same as ME2 and have no new story, or have one or two solid development scenes?

[Chained_Creator]

It would probably suck if you ran into Samara again. Unless you keep her on as a squad-mate with the Third Oath still in effect. Because that probably means she's out to get you. (Being a justicar and all can be slightly...inconvenient. Especially if you're a renegade.)

--

So, who thinks Mass Effect 3 is going to be current-gen or next-gen?

Modifié par Chained_Creator, 01 février 2010 - 09:47 .

[marshalleck]

Nautica773 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Honestly, if the ME2 crew is sidelined in ME3 then I think it bodes even worse for characters from ME1, despite Bioware's talk of "saving" them.

If you're  new to the series with ME2, these characters come out of nowhere and either chastize you or act very cold toward you. And then they force out your old crew in ME3? I don't think the new fans would be pleased with that, especially if they force out the ME2 romances. And they'd make even less sense to players who will be new to the franchise in ME3.

My best guess is you'll be able to recruit Liara and Kaiden/Ashley, and the rest of the crew will be new faces. Romance interests from 2 will likely be the same as what happened in 1, you can meet them somewhere but they're busy preparing for the Reaper invasion (Tali getting the Flotilla, Jacob/Miranda working for Alliance or Cerberus, Garrus with the Citadel, Jack and Thane I'm sure they'll come up with some excuse).

I'm not saying it's not possible, but all of that seems directly at odds with what we know of the characters in ME2.

Tali can be exiled and can survive the mission--so what, she just leaves and gets an apartment on the Citadel or something? Eh..

Garrus's contempt for C-Sec is plain, he makes no attempt to hide it. Equally implausible.

Miranda's "resignation" is a death sentence if she sets foot anywhere TIM can insert Cerberus agents. Again, hard to imagine a compelling reason she'd leave the Normandy.

Jacob also retired from the Alliance for a reason and signed up with Cerberus, who he had significant reservations against...it's not a casual decision, and I very much doubt the Alliance would take an associate of a known rogue/terrorist organization back into their ranks.

The characters have plenty of reasons to stay with Shepard assuming they survived the mission. All I'm saying is that I hope my decisions in ME2 matter, both if the characters died and if they survived.

[TuringPoint]

Above post:  I agree.  There are reasons for most of the characters to go ahead and stay on the Normandy.  Maybe they'll give them reasons to leave in DLC or something, eh?

Saren was a really interesting villain. I liked the suicide mission idea a lot, and it drives home how inhuman the Reaper threat is. I don't think this game stands on its own very well, with its plot. I'm willing to accept it because of a great start to the story in the first game.

I'm also wondering what excuse they'll use for coming up with a new party in the next game. They can't just kill Shepard again, that would be a little much. I'm a little frustrated by the Love Interest plots not being very deep in either game, and I'd really like it if Tali and Garrus stayed on.

Will they make us another ship, I wonder?

Modifié par Alocormin, 01 février 2010 - 09:49 .

[magnuskn]

ComTrav wrote...

Because a successful MMO is like printing money every month.

I'm sure it would be possible to make a 10-disk ME3 bringing back everyone from both ME1 and 2 as playable characters, but it would cost like 200 dollars. (And quite possibly take forever to come out.)

If they'd do that for *every* squad member of ME2, it'd probably bump the total discs up to three, so your hyperbole is a bit overwrought.

But I think that they would only consider the really popular squad mates. From the reaction on the boards, it is easily inferred that Tali and Garrus are by far the two most favourite ones, so I expect them back as squad mates. For the others, who knows? I think Mordin will enjoy a huge following, too, but the rest really didn't click with me, personally.

Modifié par magnuskn, 01 février 2010 - 09:50 .

[Brahlis]

If you die, that's it. You have to create an entirely new Shepard for ME3. How you could fail that hard, I have no idea.

[Rustedknight]

This is uber corny, but if your Shepard dies Cerberus, the Alliance, the Geth, the Rachni, or the Counsel might clone a new Shepard as a PR drive to push their agenda. After all Shepard has come back from the dead once already. So all your choices stand, but it is not Your Shepard that finishes the story.

I would also expect a mix of new and returning party members from both ME1 and ME2.

[fusilero1]

I agree, the Squadmates line up should remain mostly the same. Maybe with four/five new guys to fill in any holes (or every hole, if you've managed to lose all your chums). We've spent an entire game focused on building our relationship with them, would be a bit of a waste to throw it all away.