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[said a mom]

I agree, they dragged Duncan down to the tunnels and have turned him into creepy talking darkspawn version 2.0 - maybe it will go all Darth Vadery and he will be the major evil minion of the Architect and then we have to turn him back from the dark(spawn) side



- truth be told I think the Architect will turn out to be a Grey Warden from days long past, maybe Asturian or something since he was into building secrety tunnel/chamber things (from WK codex) and had to practically be forced to go to his Calling

[wwwwowwww]

melkathi wrote...

Old thread you may be bored enough to read through

They really need to reinstate the search engine.

How old a thread are you referring too considering this is based off info from RTO which came out what? 4 days ago to the PC?

[bluecuban]

My guess, in the trailer for Awakening when the Architect says "so you're the commander of the Grey Wardens," that's a flashback of him talking to Duncan. The Architect sounds surprised, like he knows who he's talking to, and he does know Duncan from the books. It's possible the talking Darkspawn is him.

[melkathi]

wwwwowwww wrote...

melkathi wrote...

Old thread you may be bored enough to read through

They really need to reinstate the search engine.

How old a thread are you referring too considering this is based off info from RTO which came out what? 4 days ago to the PC?

Click on the link and you can see how old it is

Besides, this is the second release of RTO. We already knew Duncan's corpse was not to be found from those xbox360 players who had gotten the DLC before it got taken down again because of the bugs.
The Duncan must be alive crowd has been basing their assumption on 1 fact since launch: the cinematic goes white screen instead of showing his head rolling. Since the first week of January they have added the 2nd fact: there is no body of Duncan in RTO.
This kind of discussion has been going on all month. There is no new info yet. It's just that more people have the info now first hand.

Personally I don't know if Duncan is alive or dead. Though I prefer dead.

Yes the darkspawn fighting Duncan would have recognized the taint in him. I am not certain though how much they would understand that this makes him a Grey Warden and thus an imortant enemy. I doubt even more that, even with the taint working similar to an ant hive mind, the darkspawn would have recognized Duncan as being not just any Grey Warden but the dude from The Calling (haven't read it, but as I'm told he plays a role in the book).
Then comes that once he's dead, I do not know if the darkspawn could still sense the taint in him to recognize his corpse as special. Cailan was wearing the armour of a king after all. He was hard to miss. But one headless corpse on a battlefield littered with dead?
The most logical explanation, in my opinion, would be that the darkspawn dragged the corpse off to eat it, like they did so many others.
Personaly I havent played RTO yet. But I do not think that they added hundreds of corpses to the map to even begin to reflect the actual death toll?

There is no clear indication that Duncan is alive. Even that the actual death isn't shown, while it can be interpreted as being a trick to allow the writers to bring the character back, can also be seen as an artistic choice - not everything has to be shown, as the mind will fill in the blanks.

[Mistersunshine]

Read The Calling, and you'll see that it's extremely likely that Duncan is alive. And probably . . . a bit less attractive these days.

[melkathi]

Mistersunshine wrote...

Read The Calling, and you'll see that it's extremely likely that Duncan is alive. And probably . . . a bit less attractive these days.

I can totaly live with the Duncan the talking darkspawn theory
What I would not like is a Duncan reappears after escaping the darkspawn scene.
Or (though it would bother me less) the player entering the Architect's lair and there saving a tortured Duncan who is near death.

[Thor Rand Al]

Here's an interesting thought... In all the threads that deal with whether Duncan's passed on to the Maker or not has Bioware either confirmed or denied any of these...

I know they don't need to respond period with anyone's threads if they don't want to (n we really appreciate it that they do) but Duncan does play a role in the game.

[Mistersunshine]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Here's an interesting thought... In all the threads that deal with whether Duncan's passed on to the Maker or not has Bioware either confirmed or denied any of these...
I know they don't need to respond period with anyone's threads if they don't want to (n we really appreciate it that they do) but Duncan does play a role in the game.

That would be massively spoiler-y information.  I certainly hope that no BioWarians spill a hard confirmation or denial as to the future reappearance of Duncan.  I can't see them doing so, anyway.

[Quill74Pen]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

I cuncurr. If Duncan had truly died in that battle, I really think he'd have been trussed up like King Cailan.

The Darkspawn would recognize one of their greater enemies, surely. My suspicions: He's either being tortured underground, or may make an appearance in Awakening.

The darkspawn are transforming Duncan into a Broodmother. A horrible process for a female, even moreso for a male.

Quill74Pen :innocent:

[Ramante]

Quill74Pen wrote...

The darkspawn are transforming Duncan into a Broodmother. A horrible process for a female, even moreso for a male.

Quill74Pen :innocent:

Not another Beardmother/Beardfather joke I hope. x.x
That is really confusing -> brood means bread in Dutch, so when someone started with Beardfather I actually thought he was saying Breadfather.
I think Duncan might be still alive but I don't want to find him (or want him to find me), 'cause I don't think he looks very good after having his head almost cut off and stuff. And I don't want to know how Alistair will responds if he is suddenly alive, something tells me Alistair will stop following orders and will turn in Duncan's dog again.

[melissa666]

duncan= the talking dark spwan

[BeckShort]

Duncan was very adamant about not siding with the Architect in The Calling. It would be SUCH a ******-off, inconsistent moment if that's what happens in the expansion. I really hope they don't do that.

[Behindyounow]

melissa666 wrote...

duncan= the talking dark spwan

No. The architect was in the book, which was set before Duncan was possibly killed.

[Tandemir]

GregorLightbringer wrote...

melkathi wrote...

SusanStoHelit wrote...

shantisands wrote...


Well, I do NOW! yay! Thanks

Live long and prosper, young padawan. (To outrageously mix my references. )

Ouch! That mix of references caused a great disturbance in nerdiness: as if a million voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly assimilated.

.........and used Jedi mind tricks to keep the cake a lie.

Peace is a lie; there is only the taint. Through the taint, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, the Archdemon is broken. The Blight will set me free

[Feraele]

FatLeprechaun7 wrote...

It's pretty clear to me that Duncan is still alive.  We don't see him actually being killed in the Battle of Ostagar.  And in Return to Ostagar, we don't see any trace of his body (although we recover his weapons).

Compare the treatment of Duncan to the treatment of Cailan, a character we know is dead.  We see Cailan squished by an Ogre, and then recover and burn his corpse.

It's only a matter of time before Bioware brings Duncan back in an expansion or sequel.

Thats my belief, no body no armor...and he was well known to the darkspawn.   Maybe they carted him off as a trophy...or to "turn" him.   Thats what  I am thinking.   Also thinking that perhaps that person ..."returning old favorite" could be Duncan.

[Feraele]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

I cuncurr. If Duncan had truly died in that battle, I really think he'd have been trussed up like King Cailan.

The Darkspawn would recognize one of their greater enemies, surely. My suspicions: He's either being tortured underground, or may make an appearance in Awakening.

Don't forget that..in one of the camp discussions with Allistair...Allistair states that Duncan had said that his "time" was drawing near, in other words he would have to go down to the Deep Roads, as every Warden does when their time is up.   Its either that or turn into a ghoul and be killed by those around you.

[Mistersunshine]

GhoulDuncan is definitely getting into my party if he's an option.

[SinYang]

This means Daveth and Jory lived as well, I didnt see their copses on joining platform in RTO
Seriously the only mystery here is how Cailan remains in one piece after some time has passed, someone said its 1 month or something close to that, from Ostagar to just Circle tower (assuming you got wynne first).

Also if you go with Loghain (which I recommend doing atleast once for RTO - he has twice content with wynne around) thats post Landsmeet, imagine condition of corpses by then? I guess king's just stick around longer.

A Darkspawn is wearing his armor somewhere.

Modifié par SinYang, 02 février 2010 - 11:21 .

[jsachun]

How come, I feel that Duncan is going to be more insignifcant as DA:O progresses. His gone & now your it (Grey Warden Leader of Feralden). Maybe he was so insignifcant his corpse didn't even get a mention in RTO?

[melkathi]

Behindyounow wrote...

melissa666 wrote...

duncan= the talking dark spwan

No. The architect was in the book, which was set before Duncan was possibly killed.

Though the Architect is most likely that other dude in the Awakening trailer. You know, the wierd bad guy who also is on the Awakening retail box and very prominent on the official Awakening web page?
The people who suggest Duncan may be the talking darkspawn do not say Duncan = the Architect, they say The Architect != the talking Darkspawn in the trailer.

[Feraele]

SinYang wrote...

This means Daveth and Jory lived as well, I didnt see their copses on joining platform in RTO
Seriously the only mystery here is how Cailan remains in one piece after some time has passed, someone said its 1 month or something close to that, from Ostagar to just Circle tower (assuming you got wynne first).

Also if you go with Loghain (which I recommend doing atleast once for RTO - he has twice content with wynne around) thats post Landsmeet, imagine condition of corpses by then? I guess king's just stick around longer.

A Darkspawn is wearing his armor somewhere.

Indeed..I guess we're to assume that Daveth and Jory were taken away for proper burial before the fighting started.

The Cailan thing indeed made me wonder, unless being attached to that pole (crucifiction style) being out in the sun and the cold...preserved his body at least for the time being.   Other corpses that I did see, were already skeletons, which probably meant they had been a darkspawn meal.

[Topher87]

The darkspawn gave him to a Broodmother, they do have a thing for Grey Warden flesh after all.

Modifié par Topher87, 02 février 2010 - 11:26 .

[Feraele]

Topher87 wrote...

The darkspawn gave him to a Broodmother, they do have a thing for Grey Warden flesh after all.

OR they hastened the taint corruption within him, in order to make use of him..perhaps as one of their..commander type darkspawn.    Just speculating of course.

[SinYang]

jsachun wrote...

How come, I feel that Duncan is going to be more insignifcant as DA:O progresses. His gone & now your it (Grey Warden Leader of Feralden). Maybe he was so insignifcant his corpse didn't even get a mention in RTO?

Thats my feeling aswell, Duncan served his role - as tutor, as Grey Warden dying battling the blight. He was a decent character perhaps more in death since I didnt like him intially until that final scene.

Had he lived you would be the Fed-ex warden fetching duncan's gear & tea. Lighting the occasional beacon. Cracking bad jokes - you would be.... Alistair

Feraele wrote...
within him, in order to make use of him..perhaps as one of their..commander type darkspawn.    Just speculating of course.

Theres only possible way for him to return. Its a very big leap to assume he not only escaped a big axe, but also got imprisoned since he didnt make an appearance later on in Origins.

Modifié par SinYang, 02 février 2010 - 12:09 .

[esabria]

Die proud Jenk...Duncan! I meant Duncan! The Reap... Darkspawn! I meant darkspawn will make you resurrect in your new form of hus...Ghoul!!!!!! Or maybe he will be enhanced with implants, sorry, taint magic, to be uber powerfull and destroy all the known un.... continent!!!! just to be stopped by his successor. The new star spec... Grey Warden!!!!

 And here I present the new game, Dragon Effect: fight for the ghouls.