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[Shannara13]

adam_grif wrote...

You can't just say "well its plausible because maybe we're wrong."

Sure you can. Thats why they call it Science FICTION.

[truedark]

adam_grif wrote...

Chained_Creator wrote...

adam_grif wrote...
They're a self-contained system with nothing eating away at it t decay them. Although impressive, "being functional after 37 million years" is not on the same level (and is at least possible) as "has been firing its engines up constantly for 37 million years without refueling".

We're laboriously working our way toward "A wizard did it."

You know that, right?

Obviously, which is why I said I gave up on it last page. For that very reason. A Wizard doing it is the only explanation at this point.

You're forgetting Newton's first law. All the reapers have to do is accelerate to a speed and then they're golden. They can go back into hibernation and still make it.

[Chained_Creator]

adam_grif wrote...
Obviously, which is why I said I gave up on it last page. For that very reason. A Wizard doing it is the only explanation at this point.

Except this is Sci-Fi(!!), so it's not "A Wizard did it."

It's, "A Hyper-Advanced Alien race did it."

[SunfighterG8]

Weskerr wrote...

D3thray wrote...

EJon wrote...

In the ending - they were in front of the Milky Way galaxy. They're not far away from attacking.

You have no concept of galactic distances do you?  If they were even traveling 100 times the speed of light they're still about 1000 years from reaching the EDGE of the galaxy.  The only remotely practical way for them to get around even in the Mass Effect universe is via mass relay.

That, and also in no way, shape, or form, was it shown that the Reapers were in front of anything. It just showed them all moving in the same direction, surrounded by darkness. It's more a symbol of "they're still coming" despite the fact that Shepard foiled their plans again.

The galaxy was just ahead of them in final movie, but its impossible to tell if they were moving or not, just that their lights were on.

[Chained_Creator]

SunfighterG8 wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

D3thray wrote...

EJon wrote...

In the ending - they were in front of the Milky Way galaxy. They're not far away from attacking.

You have no concept of galactic distances do you?  If they were even traveling 100 times the speed of light they're still about 1000 years from reaching the EDGE of the galaxy.  The only remotely practical way for them to get around even in the Mass Effect universe is via mass relay.

That, and also in no way, shape, or form, was it shown that the Reapers were in front of anything. It just showed them all moving in the same direction, surrounded by darkness. It's more a symbol of "they're still coming" despite the fact that Shepard foiled their plans again.

The galaxy was just ahead of them in final movie, but its impossible to tell if they were moving or not, just that their lights were on.

"Hey, Harbinger, you left your bright lights on. The one that can be seen by our tiny enemy (That we still haven't kept dead yet.) thousands upon thousands of light years away. Hurry, put the lights out!"

[marshalleck]

[zfactor]

Chained_Creator wrote...

SunfighterG8 wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

D3thray wrote...

EJon wrote...

In the ending - they were in front of the Milky Way galaxy. They're not far away from attacking.

You have no concept of galactic distances do you?  If they were even traveling 100 times the speed of light they're still about 1000 years from reaching the EDGE of the galaxy.  The only remotely practical way for them to get around even in the Mass Effect universe is via mass relay.

That, and also in no way, shape, or form, was it shown that the Reapers were in front of anything. It just showed them all moving in the same direction, surrounded by darkness. It's more a symbol of "they're still coming" despite the fact that Shepard foiled their plans again.

The galaxy was just ahead of them in final movie, but its impossible to tell if they were moving or not, just that their lights were on.

"Hey, Harbinger, you left your bright lights on. The one that can be seen by our tiny enemy (That we still haven't kept dead yet.) thousands upon thousands of light years away. Hurry, put the lights out!"

Of course they'd be seen anyway, the light already left...

[Chained_Creator]

zfactor wrote...
Of course they'd be seen anyway, the light already left...

I know. It's the spirit of the joke, not the reality!

[MrGOH]

zfactor wrote...

*snip*

FTL speed doesn't accelerate the object to greater than the speed of light, it accelerates THE SPACE THE OBJECT IS IN to FTL, causing the object to go FTL from an outsider's perspective.  This is why the crew isn't flung forward or backwards in a relay jump, they are still, space is moving. 

Well, fine. Why argue about whether that accelerated space has inertia or not, because that doesn't solve any of the massive problems with workable FTL. That is, unless our understanding of the way the universe is very wrong. So very wrong that arguing about the nature and amount of fuel sentient startships consume during decades-long FTL jaunts is moot because our understanding of the whole shebang amounts to "eezo did it."

That's all I'm saying.

[zfactor]

Earlier it was stated that FTL would cause people to go back in time (which it would unless you move spce itself FTL rather than a ship, that's what the mass effect fields do, similar to warp drive from star trek) so maybe they are going FTL without warping space, eliminating time/energy constraints because they would arrive at the same time they left...

[HelterSkelter89]

without the fast travel of a relay it would take them many hundreds of years to just fly into the galaxy, from the looks of it they were quite far out in space.

[Shannara13]

Also who is to say that each reaper doesn't have a portable Mass Effect Relay installed? Since no one even really knows how they even work. Maybe they would have to make blind jumps forward but in empty space that really isn't an issue.

[Terminator 253]

They needed someone to activate The Conduit or Citadel, however, now that Shepard has passed through the Omega 4 relay and survived, this may be their way through.

[marshalleck]

Shannara13 wrote...

Also who is to say that each reaper doesn't have a portable Mass Effect Relay installed? Since no one even really knows how they even work. Maybe they would have to make blind jumps forward but in empty space that really isn't an issue.

Well if that were the case then the whole plot of ME1 would have been irrelevent. The Reapers would have just relayed into the galaxy with no need for Sovereign.

[Weskerr]

SunfighterG8 wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

D3thray wrote...

EJon wrote...

In the ending - they were in front of the Milky Way galaxy. They're not far away from attacking.

You have no concept of galactic distances do you?  If they were even traveling 100 times the speed of light they're still about 1000 years from reaching the EDGE of the galaxy.  The only remotely practical way for them to get around even in the Mass Effect universe is via mass relay.

That, and also in no way, shape, or form, was it shown that the Reapers were in front of anything. It just showed them all moving in the same direction, surrounded by darkness. It's more a symbol of "they're still coming" despite the fact that Shepard foiled their plans again.

The galaxy was just ahead of them in final movie, but its impossible to tell if they were moving or not, just that their lights were on.

You're right. I never noticed the galaxy in front of them. Still though, we're speculating about universal distances. And galaxies are enormous. Just because they can see the galaxy doesn't mean they can get there. I still think it's more a symbol than the Reapers just deciding to fly there without the help of any mass relays.

[Keltoris]

To be honest, I'm curious as to 1) who woke them up and how? and 2) Why can't they override the Citadel relay from their end.

[zfactor]

MrGOH wrote...

zfactor wrote...

*snip*

FTL speed doesn't accelerate the object to greater than the speed of light, it accelerates THE SPACE THE OBJECT IS IN to FTL, causing the object to go FTL from an outsider's perspective.  This is why the crew isn't flung forward or backwards in a relay jump, they are still, space is moving. 

Well, fine. Why argue about whether that accelerated space has inertia or not, because that doesn't solve any of the massive problems with workable FTL. That is, unless our understanding of the way the universe is very wrong. So very wrong that arguing about the nature and amount of fuel sentient startships consume during decades-long FTL jaunts is moot because our understanding of the whole shebang amounts to "eezo did it."

That's all I'm saying.

I suppoze eezo did do it because it is physically impossible for an element (protons and nuetrons and such) to have zero mass (unless it's energy because they are interchangable (e=mc^2))

===brain explodes===

[HelterSkelter89]

truedark wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

Chained_Creator wrote...

adam_grif wrote...
They're a self-contained system with nothing eating away at it t decay them. Although impressive, "being functional after 37 million years" is not on the same level (and is at least possible) as "has been firing its engines up constantly for 37 million years without refueling".

We're laboriously working our way toward "A wizard did it."

You know that, right?

Obviously, which is why I said I gave up on it last page. For that very reason. A Wizard doing it is the only explanation at this point.

You're forgetting Newton's first law. All the reapers have to do is accelerate to a speed and then they're golden. They can go back into hibernation and still make it.

even in deep space there are still forces acting on any objects. no matter what point you are at in space you are still under the effects of gravity. you could travel to the opposite side of the universe and you would still be acted on by earth's gravitational pull (yes earth) though it would be extremely weak. so no they could not just accelerate towards the galaxy and get there. if they tried this it would take them hundreds of thousands of years and way way more fuel than they oculd possibly have.

[Shannara13]

HelterSkelter89 wrote...


even in deep space there are still forces acting on any objects. no matter what point you are at in space you are still under the effects of gravity. you could travel to the opposite side of the universe and you would still be acted on by earth's gravitational pull (yes earth) though it would be extremely weak. so no they could not just accelerate towards the galaxy and get there. if they tried this it would take them hundreds of thousands of years and way way more fuel than they oculd possibly have.

Except all that gravity is pulling them Towards the galaxy. So its not really slowing them down.

[truedark]

HelterSkelter89 wrote...

truedark wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

Chained_Creator wrote...

adam_grif wrote...
They're a self-contained system with nothing eating away at it t decay them. Although impressive, "being functional after 37 million years" is not on the same level (and is at least possible) as "has been firing its engines up constantly for 37 million years without refueling".

We're laboriously working our way toward "A wizard did it."

You know that, right?

Obviously, which is why I said I gave up on it last page. For that very reason. A Wizard doing it is the only explanation at this point.

You're forgetting Newton's first law. All the reapers have to do is accelerate to a speed and then they're golden. They can go back into hibernation and still make it.

even in deep space there are still forces acting on any objects. no matter what point you are at in space you are still under the effects of gravity. you could travel to the opposite side of the universe and you would still be acted on by earth's gravitational pull (yes earth) though it would be extremely weak. so no they could not just accelerate towards the galaxy and get there. if they tried this it would take them hundreds of thousands of years and way way more fuel than they oculd possibly have.

The only force of gravity that is going to have a noticable effect is currently the Milkyways. Which would only speed them up.

[adam_grif]

Shannara13 wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

You can't just say "well its plausible because maybe we're wrong."

Sure you can. Thats why they call it Science FICTION.

Oh wow. That exact argument was addressed on the link I told you to go to

[marshalleck]

Weskerr wrote...

You're right. I never noticed the galaxy in front of them. Still though, we're speculating about universal distances. And galaxies are enormous. Just because they can see the galaxy doesn't mean they can get there. I still think it's more a symbol than the Reapers just deciding to fly there without the help of any mass relays.

It's not that simple.

They either need the relay to get here instantly, or they don't. If they don't need the relays, why did the plot of ME1 exist?

They must have a contingency plan for the Citadel.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if ME3 opens with them somehow activating it and destroying the Council, and that's all the warning the organic races get.

Modifié par marshalleck, 02 février 2010 - 02:55 .

[adam_grif]

Shannara13 wrote...

HelterSkelter89 wrote...


even in deep space there are still forces acting on any objects. no matter what point you are at in space you are still under the effects of gravity. you could travel to the opposite side of the universe and you would still be acted on by earth's gravitational pull (yes earth) though it would be extremely weak. so no they could not just accelerate towards the galaxy and get there. if they tried this it would take them hundreds of thousands of years and way way more fuel than they oculd possibly have.

Except all that gravity is pulling them Towards the galaxy. So its not really slowing them down.

Gravity's effects on something that far away are minimal. He's more talking about large pockets of interstellar hydrogen that result in drag.

[adam_grif]

truedark wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

Chained_Creator wrote...

adam_grif wrote...
They're a self-contained system with nothing eating away at it t decay them. Although impressive, "being functional after 37 million years" is not on the same level (and is at least possible) as "has been firing its engines up constantly for 37 million years without refueling".

We're laboriously working our way toward "A wizard did it."

You know that, right?

Obviously, which is why I said I gave up on it last page. For that very reason. A Wizard doing it is the only explanation at this point.

You're forgetting Newton's first law. All the reapers have to do is accelerate to a speed and then they're golden. They can go back into hibernation and still make it.

I already said that exact thing pages back.

The problem is that they AREN'T doing that, because they have only started moving a few years back and ME3 isn't going to take place 15,000 years in the future. It's the commander Shepard story - and It will be a few years at most after ME2.

This implies they're getting here via FTL.

FTL is not subject to inerta here. They need to maintain drive core charge otherwise they drop down to non-FTL speeds.

Modifié par adam_grif, 02 février 2010 - 02:58 .

[Shannara13]

adam_grif wrote...

Shannara13 wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

You can't just say "well its plausible because maybe we're wrong."

Sure you can. Thats why they call it Science FICTION.

Oh wow. That exact argument was addressed on the link I told you to go to

Guess what. The day you can explain to me how a Mass Effect Relay works you can argue how possible it is for reapers to travel to the galaxy without one.


P.S. It is actually possible to divide by 0.

Modifié par Shannara13, 02 février 2010 - 02:58 .